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  1. "Cecily" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:2004122918465115409%cecily700466@bloglinescom...

    Quoted message said:

    Over the last two years, I've been on a self-improvement kick. I lost a
    whole whack of weight (150 lbs), but I'm still considered a fat person,
    even though I'm now on the small end of mid-size.

    All the while I was taking the weight off, I was working out and moving
    toward becoming a more fit person. Now that my weight loss has
    stabilized, I have to make a decision: do I want to continue to lose
    weight (meh) or do I want to focus more on being a fit fat person?

    You are very confused. Losing weight and fitness are not mutually
    exclusive. You should be focussing on both.

    Quoted message said:

    If you're someone who works out on a regular basis, would you mind
    sharing your experiences with me? How do people react to you when they
    see you training for a marathon, for example?

    I just changed my mind. You are very stupid.

  2. || "Cecily" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    || news:2004122918465115409%cecily700466@bloglinescom...
    ||| Over the last two years, I've been on a self-improvement kick. I
    ||| lost a whole whack of weight (150 lbs), but I'm still considered a
    ||| fat person, even though I'm now on the small end of mid-size.
    |||
    ||| All the while I was taking the weight off, I was working out and
    ||| moving toward becoming a more fit person. Now that my weight loss
    ||| has stabilized, I have to make a decision: do I want to continue to
    ||| lose weight (meh) or do I want to focus more on being a fit fat
    ||| person?

    Continue to do both as both have benefits.

    ||| If you're someone who works out on a regular basis, would you mind
    ||| sharing your experiences with me? How do people react to you when
    ||| they see you training for a marathon, for example?

    Why do you care? Do what you enjoy doing and reap your own benefits. Never
    let others place limits on you.

  3. Gandolf Parker Dec 30, 8:08 am
    I just changed my mind. You are very stupid.

    Who is this idiot? He must've just read "How to make friends and
    influence people".

  4. Gandolf Parker said:


    "Cecily" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:2004122918465115409%cecily700466@bloglinescom...

    Quoted message said:

    Over the last two years, I've been on a self-improvement kick. I lost a
    whole whack of weight (150 lbs), but I'm still considered a fat person,
    even though I'm now on the small end of mid-size.

    All the while I was taking the weight off, I was working out and moving
    toward becoming a more fit person. Now that my weight loss has
    stabilized, I have to make a decision: do I want to continue to lose
    weight (meh) or do I want to focus more on being a fit fat person?

    Your weight loss has stabilised because of the law of diminishg returns. If
    you were to lose 75lb/year, you would vanish after a few years, so the process
    does have to slow down somewhere.

    Don't focus on being a "fit fat person", labelling yourself as fat is
    a fundamentally defeatist idea.

    Instead, focus on becoming *fit*. You'll lose weight (though not as quickly
    as before) as your fitness improves.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If you're someone who works out on a regular basis, would you mind
    sharing your experiences with me? How do people react to you when they
    see you training for a marathon, for example?

    Whether you're fat, thin, or whatever, you get some silly reactions from
    hooligans when you're out there. It's a law of numbers thing -- get out on
    the road for a few thousand miles (about 3000 for me this year) and you're
    bound to encounter a few idiots. The best thing to do is ignore them. If
    you're overweight and feeling self-conscious, you may think it's got something
    to do with you, or you being out of shape. It doesn't, such hooligans tend
    to yell indiscriminately at runners of all shapes and sizes.

    Also, you do get some reactions from people who are genuinely curious, or just
    plain freaked out that someone is running in the snow, (or in some cases,
    running at a fairly brisk pace). I've had people yell out to me, "how many
    miles ?" and things like that (I just answer them). So, when in doubt (when
    you're running, you often don't catch what they're saying), it's always better
    to assume that they're just surprised/impressed, and not insulting you.

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi
    http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

  5. Donovan Rebbechi said:

    Also, you do get some reactions from people who are genuinely curious, or
    just plain freaked out that someone is running in the snow, (or in some
    cases, running at a fairly brisk pace).

    Having recently moved from a warm weather climate to Montreal, I'm
    curious about how you train in the snow. Presumably, you have to wear
    enough layers to protect you from the cold. But what do you do for
    footwear? Here in Montreal, the sidewalks are sometimes icy, other times
    slushy. It doesn't seem optimal for running. Do you run in snow boots of
    some kind? Or do you take your chances with running shoes and try to
    stay as dry as you can?

    This isn't an idle curiosity. I've got a daughter that needs to stay in
    shape for soccer, and while I suspect joining a gym is probably the
    easiest solution, I've wondered how long she can continue to run outside
    (i.e. when is it too cold to do this?).

  6. Preacher said:
    Donovan Rebbechi said:

    Also, you do get some reactions from people who are genuinely curious, or
    just plain freaked out that someone is running in the snow, (or in some
    cases, running at a fairly brisk pace).

    Having recently moved from a warm weather climate to Montreal, I'm
    curious about how you train in the snow. Presumably, you have to wear
    enough layers to protect you from the cold.

    You don't need a whole lot of layers if you're moving. Usually, I wear
    running tights, wind boxers, windproof top, mitts, and if it's really cold,
    a hat.

    Since you're in Canada, here's some gear from a local outfit that's good enough
    to keep you warm in very cold conditions (this is the same as or very similar
    to what I wear in winter)

    http://sugoi.ca/consumer/product.aspx?sectionStyleID=5421&color=DSL
    http://sugoi.ca/consumer/product.aspx?sectionStyleID=5264&color=BLK
    http://sugoi.ca/consumer/product.aspx?sectionStyleID=5582&color=BLK
    http://sugoi.ca/consumer/product.aspx?sectionStyleID=5440&color=BLK
    http://sugoi.ca/consumer/product.aspx?sectionStyleID=5434&color=BLK
    http://sugoi.ca/consumer/product.aspx?sectionStyleID=5244&color=BLK

    If you're still cold in an outfit like this, you can always throw on a cheapo
    raincoat over the top for extra warmth/wind protection.

    Quoted message said:

    But what do you do for
    footwear? Here in Montreal, the sidewalks are sometimes icy, other times
    slushy. It doesn't seem optimal for running. Do you run in snow boots of
    some kind? Or do you take your chances with running shoes and try to
    stay as dry as you can?

    I run in my ordinary trainers.

    If it's really slushy, you're basically screwed. You're not going to stay dry,
    so I go for the next best thing and try to stay warm. Wool socks insulate quite
    well, even when they're wet, and they don't get soaked. The "Smartwool" socks
    are especially good for slushy conditions (the sugoi ones above should be fine
    too -- anything that's merino wool).

    As for ice, it's slippery, but I've never fallen. I've even performed speed
    workouts when there's ice on the track.

    Quoted message said:

    This isn't an idle curiosity. I've got a daughter that needs to stay in
    shape for soccer, and while I suspect joining a gym is probably the
    easiest solution, I've wondered how long she can continue to run outside
    (i.e. when is it too cold to do this?).

    I train year round in NY. It gets down to single digits F (double digits below
    centigrade) It's never "too cold".

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi
    http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

  7. Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from [email hidden] of 30
    Dec 2004:

    Quoted message said:

    Your weight loss has stabilised because of the law of diminishg
    returns. If you were to lose 75lb/year, you would vanish after a few
    years, so the process does have to slow down somewhere.

    What?! So much for my New Year's resolution. I was planing on losing
    another 75 pounds to see what its like to be a 90-pound weakling.

    Phil M.

  8. Preacher said:


    Having recently moved from a warm weather climate to Montreal,

    I've run in southcentral Alaska winters for about 20 years now, although
    it's just been the last 4 (counting this one) that I've been doing more
    structured running with longer runs.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm
    curious about how you train in the snow. Presumably, you have to wear
    enough layers to protect you from the cold.

    It only takes about 2-3 synthetic layers (depending on what layers) down
    near about -20C, and probably much lower (haven't tested my new layers
    lower than that yet). For me, I usually start with a t-shirt, very light
    stretch fleece, windshell (shell usually comes off after 10 min if not
    windy) or t-shirt, powerdry, very light stretch fleece and no windshell
    (conditions permitting). (t shirt and powerdry weren't enough for me at
    0F as I discovered a few days ago - put fleece back on after about 10 min)

    When we get dry, cold air, I may put a scarf or balaclava loosely across
    mouth and nose to help maintain moisture in breath, which is a loss of
    both moisture and heat.

    Quoted message said:

    But what do you do for
    footwear?

    I use my regular running shoes, although under some circumstances (wind
    or deeper snow), I've thought about putting duct tape over the toes. The
    real solution for me, though, has been to continue my normal trail
    running - with snowshoes. I use a neoprene overbootie over the shoe to
    protect from the binding, and I've been plenty warm running at -28C/-20F
    for a couple hours (esp. after I figured out how to keep my fluids from
    freezing). Trail running also keeps me off the streets where cars may
    not always be under control. I recognize trails aren't an option for
    everyday running for most people, but most people in snowy environments
    probably aren't too far from trails for a weekend run if they're
    interested. Sometimes trails may be compacted enough (grooming or snow
    machines) that you can run in regular shoes with no problem.

    I usually wear Smartwool socks, although I have used Ultimax and
    Bridgedale with almost as good results, iirc.

    There are ultra trail races up here in winter (50k to 1100 miles), and
    I've asked those people what they use since they're out for many hours,
    usually over 24 hrs, sometimes in slush. Many just use regular running
    shoes, some might use goretex ones, some might put toe covers on. They
    do take changes of socks, iirc. Some have used neoprene socks that
    didn't work - sweat too much inside. People in this group here (r.r)
    have used gore-tex socks or storm socks, I think, but I've never found a
    pair to fit my feet right. I've used SealSkinz with mixed results - feet
    were dry and cold.

    The biggest problem is if it's slushy (wet is bad). I've used vaseline
    on my feet, but that's still like having your feet immersed in an ice
    bath for the duration of your run.

    Quoted message said:

    Here in Montreal, the sidewalks are sometimes icy, other times
    slushy. It doesn't seem optimal for running. Do you run in snow boots of
    some kind?

    If running on snow or hardpacked snow, I'll either just use my regular
    shoes or add yaktrax for better traction, if I want it. If I need
    ice-joggers for ice (yaktrax don't grab ice that well), I'll skip the
    run or find another place to run since they seem to aggravate my feet.

    Many people have found screw shoes to work well, and I think they work
    across a broader range than yaktrax and ice joggers. I've had the
    traction devices for other purposes so just used them.
    http://www.skyrunner.com/screwshoe.htm

    Icebug shoes are also being sold in our local running store now. I
    haven't used them, since what I have works for me, although I've seen
    one person with them.
    http://store1.yimg.com/I/gear-west_1825_6445430
    (this is just the first one that popped up with easily accessible picture)

    More description is at
    http://www.icebug.se/

    Quoted message said:

    I've wondered how long she can continue to run outside
    (i.e. when is it too cold to do this?).

    As long as properly dressed, people have been known to run (and probably
    bike) at -45C / -50F. We don't get that cold here.

    How did native peoples survive in arctic environments without the
    current technology?

    Dot

    --
    "If we reach all our goals, we are not setting them high enough."
    - Matt Carpenter

  9. Preacher said:
    Donovan Rebbechi said:

    Also, you do get some reactions from people who are genuinely curious, or
    just plain freaked out that someone is running in the snow, (or in some
    cases, running at a fairly brisk pace).

    Having recently moved from a warm weather climate to Montreal, I'm
    curious about how you train in the snow. Presumably, you have to wear
    enough layers to protect you from the cold. But what do you do for
    footwear? Here in Montreal, the sidewalks are sometimes icy, other times
    slushy. It doesn't seem optimal for running. Do you run in snow boots of
    some kind? Or do you take your chances with running shoes and try to
    stay as dry as you can?

    This isn't an idle curiosity. I've got a daughter that needs to stay in
    shape for soccer, and while I suspect joining a gym is probably the
    easiest solution, I've wondered how long she can continue to run outside
    (i.e. when is it too cold to do this?).

    After braving the last couple winters, I've now dusted off an unused
    treadmill and found that working out indoors watching a movie is nicer
    than running around in the cold weather, in the dark. As a bonus my
    treadmill has arm resistance bars which have made a small but noticeable
    improvement in my upper-body tone. You can get used exercise
    equipment very cheap if you remember the whole point of exercise is just
    to waste energy, and not go overboard with NASA-grade equipment.

  10. Donovan Rebbechi said:


    Whether you're fat, thin, or whatever, you get some silly reactions


    from

    Quoted message said:

    hooligans when you're out there. It's a law of numbers thing -- get


    out on

    Quoted message said:

    the road for a few thousand miles (about 3000 for me this year) and


    you're

    Wow. a continuous year of 60 mile weeks? That's a lot of running.
    For me it is anyway.

    - bc

  11. Donovan Rebbechi said:
    Preacher said:
    Donovan Rebbechi said:

    Also, you do get some reactions from people who are genuinely


    curious, or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    just plain freaked out that someone is running in the snow, (or in


    some

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cases, running at a fairly brisk pace).

    Having recently moved from a warm weather climate to Montreal, I'm
    curious about how you train in the snow. Presumably, you have to


    wear

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    enough layers to protect you from the cold.

    You don't need a whole lot of layers if you're moving. Usually, I


    wear

    Quoted message said:

    running tights, wind boxers, windproof top, mitts, and if it's really


    cold,

    Quoted message said:

    a hat.

    Since you're in Canada, here's some gear from a local outfit that's


    good enough

    Quoted message said:

    to keep you warm in very cold conditions (this is the same as or very


    similar

    Quoted message said:

    to what I wear in winter)

    http://sugoi.ca/consumer/product.aspx?sectionStyleID=5421&color=DSL
    http://sugoi.ca/consumer/product.aspx?sectionStyleID=5264&color=BLK
    http://sugoi.ca/consumer/product.aspx?sectionStyleID=5582&color=BLK
    http://sugoi.ca/consumer/product.aspx?sectionStyleID=5440&color=BLK
    http://sugoi.ca/consumer/product.aspx?sectionStyleID=5434&color=BLK
    http://sugoi.ca/consumer/product.aspx?sectionStyleID=5244&color=BLK

    If you're still cold in an outfit like this, you can always throw on


    a cheapo

    Quoted message said:

    raincoat over the top for extra warmth/wind protection.

    Quoted message said:

    But what do you do for
    footwear? Here in Montreal, the sidewalks are sometimes icy, other


    times

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    slushy. It doesn't seem optimal for running. Do you run in snow


    boots of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    some kind? Or do you take your chances with running shoes and try


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    stay as dry as you can?

    I run in my ordinary trainers.

    If it's really slushy, you're basically screwed. You're not going to


    stay dry,

    Quoted message said:

    so I go for the next best thing and try to stay warm. Wool socks


    insulate quite

    Quoted message said:

    well, even when they're wet, and they don't get soaked. The


    "Smartwool" socks

    Quoted message said:

    are especially good for slushy conditions (the sugoi ones above


    should be fine

    Quoted message said:

    too -- anything that's merino wool).

    For shorter runs in slush, I have "bagged" my feet in plastic
    breadsacks or the like. Over socks, under shoes. But long runs
    require more moisture management I suspect. I've gone on 4-5 milers
    this way and stayed pretty comfy.

    - bc

  12. bc said:

    For shorter runs in slush, I have "bagged" my feet in plastic
    breadsacks or the like. Over socks, under shoes. But long runs
    require more moisture management I suspect. I've gone on 4-5 milers
    this way and stayed pretty comfy.

    The climate here is dry, we don't get slush in the wintertime so that's
    not an issue.

    I wear a pair of Craft winter tights, and a long-sleeved winter running
    shirt (Brooks, I think). Underneath I wear lightweight polypro long
    underwear if it's much below freezing. If it's colder than -10C or so I
    throw on a 100-weight fleece. I'll wear a tuque and fleece gloves
    (balaclava and ski gloves if it's colder). Normal running shoes, normal
    polypro socks, fleece socks if it's colder. Coldest I've run is -23 C,
    which was OK with that rig but if I went any colder I might wear a
    heavier fleece or add a shell.

    Neil

  13. For shorter runs in slush, I have "bagged" my feet in plastic
    breadsacks or the like. Over socks, under shoes.>
    How does that go with the Spiderman outfit?

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