Re: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT: Please forward this to everyone.

Andrew B. Chung said:

Orbe said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

Orbe wrote:

><snip>
>
>>>>>>>For it to *not* do anything, must mean that it approves the action.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wrong.
>>>>
>>>>>Cannot be anything else but correct.
>>>>
>>>>Except that you have free will.
>>>
>>>The statement still remains correct.
>>
>>That is not what I discern.
>
>What you discern is of no social importance, the statement *still*
>remains correct.

Your statement remains untrue.

It's not my statement.

Your disowning your statements is revealing.

The statement that I was referring to:

"For it to *not* do anything, must mean that it approves the action".

Is not mine.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>Since you do not understand the abstract, maybe a real world
>>>>>>example may help you: You may have the power to prevent your child
>>>>>
>>>>>>from doing something that you know is stupid, but even though you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>disapprove, you allow the child to make his own choice.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does this include murder, rape, incest, torture?
>>>>
>>>>When your "child" is able to do these things, s/he is no longer a child
>>>>and you no longer will have to power to prevent your "child" from doing
>>>>these things.
>>>
>>>Children kill, rape and torture.
>>
>>When they do, they prove themselves to no longer be children.
>
>By who's definition?

The LORD's.

Quoted message said:

Irrelevant.

Only the LORD's opinion matters (Book of Ecclesiastes).

Irrelevant.
Here on earth someone between infancy and youth is a child.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

True children are incapable of violating HIS commandments.

Robert Thompson and Jon Venables were truly children.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What constitutes an untrue child.

One that is small in stature like a child but whose behavior of open
rebellion against the LORD's commandments indicates otherwise.

A childs behavior, is a childs behavior.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>When they do, they are tried as children and if found guilty, punished
>as children.

Actually, in many instances they are tried as adults as they should be.

Before the Willie Bosket law *all* children were tried as juveniles for
whatever crime.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And those not included in your "many" are tried as children.

Those would be the ones that the judicial system has prejudged to be
innocent.

See above

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>*Children* kill, rape and torture.

See above.

>>>>>If no, why not?
>>>>
>>>>See above.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>We are children of God and he allows us to do it.
>>>>
>>>>If you were a child of GOD, your choice would be to obey HIM and wear
>>>>HIS commandments on your heart.
>>>
>>>We are *all* children of God
>>
>>"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your
>>father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to
>>the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his
>>native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." -- LORD
>>Jesus Christ (John 8:44)
>
>We are all children of *God*.

Untrue.

Quoted message said:

As you wish.

It is what I discern.

What you discern is of no social importance.

<snip>

Don Kirkman said:

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Orbe said:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Orbe wrote:

[. . .]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>Since you do not understand the abstract, maybe a real world
>>>>>>>example may help you: You may have the power to prevent your child
>>>>>>>from doing something that you know is stupid, but even though you
>>>>>>>disapprove, you allow the child to make his own choice.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>Does this include murder, rape, incest, torture?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>When your "child" is able to do these things, s/he is no longer a child
>>>>>and you no longer will have to power to prevent your "child" from doing
>>>>>these things.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>Children kill, rape and torture.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>When they do, they prove themselves to no longer be children.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>By who's definition?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> The LORD's.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> True children are incapable of violating HIS commandments.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What constitutes an untrue child.

Quoted message said:

One that is small in stature like a child but whose behavior of open
rebellion against the LORD's commandments indicates otherwise.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>When they do, they are tried as children and if found guilty, punished
>>as children.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Actually, in many instances they are tried as adults as they should be.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And those not included in your "many" are tried as children.

Quoted message said:

Those would be the ones that the judicial system has prejudged to be
innocent.

Having worked in the judicial system, including some time working with
juvenile offenders, I can tell you that is not true.

Nonetheless, this is what I discern.

May the LORD help us all to endure the great tribulation when the Lamb
opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a couple of months (03/29/06),
in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

Amen !!!

Now this is about what are possibly the works of the four horsemen from
the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):

(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
sleep." - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners
who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after being
trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.

(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
has suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
and the rest of the Muslim world escalates. Thousands are rioting in
Pakistan. Iran is enriching uranium to build an atomic bomb in
violation of the NPT. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime
soon.

(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

Meanwhile, folks like Bob Pastorio who refuse to use this Approach are
heard muttering that an omer is not a weight measure but a volume
measure somewhere between one and three quarts depending on what the
food is and that liquid foods like milk (emulsified oil) and wine
should not be counted toward daily intake.

(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":

The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic seems to be starting in Turkey and Asia:

http://tinyurl.com/c6nqk

http://tinyurl.com/cy88q

http://tinyurl.com/7phm4

http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

http://tinyurl.com/ddvwq

.... spreading to the middle east, Europe and Africa where the H5N1
Avian Influenza virus will have many more opportunities to pick up
adaptive mutations making it more infectious toward humans:

http://tinyurl.com/pjqrv

http://tinyurl.com/9eren

Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus from Turkey to the Middle
East, Africa, and Europe are wild beasts of the earth:

http://tinyurl.com/cnuyl

http://tinyurl.com/ac3wu

http://tinyurl.com/awog5

http://tinyurl.com/74rfq

The 5th seal possibly has been opened and glimpses of "the souls of
those who had been slain because of the Word of GOD and the testimony
they had maintained" (Revelation 6:9) can be seen in the newly released
documentary "End of the Spear." Interestingly, the word "end" is at the
**beginning** of the title of this documentary.

When will the sun "turn black like sackcloth made of goat hair"
(Revelation 6:12b) ?

It will turn black during the total solar eclipse that will happen
**also** in Turkey on Wednesday 03/29/2006 at around 14:00 hrs LT.

http://tinyurl.com/9hnk2

The order of darkening of the following ancient cities in Turkey:

(1) Ephesus
(2) Smyrna
(3) Pergamum
(4) Thyatira
(5) Sardis
(6) Philadelphia
(7) Laodicea

Will be the same order that Christ Jesus used to address their
respective seven churches:

"Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to
Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyratira, Sardis, Philadelphia and
Laodicea." (Revelation 1:11)

Here's one plausible scenario:

On March 29th, 2006 as U.S. and Israeli coalition forces invade Iran to
effect the mandate that Iran never have nuclear capabilities, Iran uses
those **missing** WMDs that Saddam has possibly entrusted to Iran for
safekeeping:

http://tinyurl.com/bgqtd

http://tinyurl.com/crybc

This leads to nuclear missiles from coalition forces as a retaliatory
strike that inadvertantly destabilizes the already unstable area where
continental tectonic plates (Europe, Asia, and Africa) converge in the
region thereby causing a global earthquake:

http://tinyurl.com/dpydb

Now read Revelation 6:13-14 slowly and you decide whether there is a
fit.

Iran seems adamant about getting the authority to use nuclear weapons:

http://tinyurl.com/9vtms

U.S. Nuclear Subs carry Trident II missiles each packing 8
independently precision targeting nuclear warheads which have 475
kilotons of explosive power each. A single warhead has about 35 times
the explosive power of the "little boy" atomic bomb that was dropped on
Hiroshima at the close of WWII. Each warhead would be guided in
inertially exhibiting a freefall pattern with a forward velocity like
"late figs" dropping " from a fig tree when shaken by a stong
wind."(Revelation 6:13) U.S. Forces will likely use these Trident II
missiles if they lose contact with the outside world while being
attacked with WMDs.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, cooking and nutrition that interest
those following this thread here during the next on-line chat
(02/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/8juld

Orbe said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

Orbe said:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

>Orbe wrote:
>
>
>><snip>
>>
>>>>>>>>For it to *not* do anything, must mean that it approves the action.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Cannot be anything else but correct.
>>>>>
>>>>>Except that you have free will.
>>>>
>>>>The statement still remains correct.
>>>
>>>That is not what I discern.
>>
>>What you discern is of no social importance, the statement *still*
>>remains correct.
>
>Your statement remains untrue.

It's not my statement.

Your disowning your statements is revealing.

The statement that I was referring to:

"For it to *not* do anything, must mean that it approves the action".

Is not mine.

The statements you have made in support of that statement are what I am
referring to.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>Since you do not understand the abstract, maybe a real world
>>>>>>>example may help you: You may have the power to prevent your child
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>from doing something that you know is stupid, but even though you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>disapprove, you allow the child to make his own choice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Does this include murder, rape, incest, torture?
>>>>>
>>>>>When your "child" is able to do these things, s/he is no longer a child
>>>>>and you no longer will have to power to prevent your "child" from doing
>>>>>these things.
>>>>
>>>>Children kill, rape and torture.
>>>
>>>When they do, they prove themselves to no longer be children.
>>
>>By who's definition?
>
>The LORD's.

Quoted message said:

Irrelevant.

Only the LORD's opinion matters (Book of Ecclesiastes).

Irrelevant.

Your opinion is meaningless.

Quoted message said:

Here on earth someone between infancy and youth is a child.

A child who loses his/her innocence loses his/her childhood.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>True children are incapable of violating HIS commandments.

Quoted message said:

Robert Thompson and Jon Venables were truly children.

Don't know them to judge them and even then would still choose to
refrain.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What constitutes an untrue child.

One that is small in stature like a child but whose behavior of open
rebellion against the LORD's commandments indicates otherwise.

A childs behavior, is a childs behavior.

The LORD GOD Almighty will judge all:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>When they do, they are tried as children and if found guilty, punished
>>as children.
>
>Actually, in many instances they are tried as adults as they should be.

Before the Willie Bosket law *all* children were tried as juveniles for
whatever crime.

Note the verb tense that I have chosen to use.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And those not included in your "many" are tried as children.

Those would be the ones that the judicial system has prejudged to be
innocent.

See above

Please do.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>*Children* kill, rape and torture.
>
>See above.
>
>>>>>>If no, why not?
>>>>>
>>>>>See above.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>We are children of God and he allows us to do it.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you were a child of GOD, your choice would be to obey HIM and wear
>>>>>HIS commandments on your heart.
>>>>
>>>>We are *all* children of God
>>>
>>>"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your
>>>father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to
>>>the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his
>>>native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." -- LORD
>>>Jesus Christ (John 8:44)
>>
>>We are all children of *God*.
>
>Untrue.

Quoted message said:

As you wish.

It is what I discern.

Quoted message said:

What you discern is of no social importance.

Such is your opinion. Nonetheless, the LORD's purpose for me here to
inform you about the truth has been fulfilled.

May the LORD help us all to endure the great tribulation when the Lamb
opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a couple of months (03/29/06),
in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

Amen !!!

Now this is about what are possibly the works of the four horsemen from
the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):

(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
sleep." - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners
who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after being
trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.

(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
has suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
and the rest of the Muslim world escalates. Thousands are rioting in
Pakistan. Iran is enriching uranium to build an atomic bomb in
violation of the NPT. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime
soon.

(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

Meanwhile, folks like Bob Pastorio who refuse to use this Approach are
heard muttering that an omer is not a weight measure but a volume
measure somewhere between one and three quarts depending on what the
food is and that liquid foods like milk (emulsified oil) and wine
should not be counted toward daily intake.

(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":

The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic seems to be starting in Turkey and Asia:

http://tinyurl.com/c6nqk

http://tinyurl.com/cy88q

http://tinyurl.com/7phm4

http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

http://tinyurl.com/ddvwq

.... spreading to the middle east, Europe and Africa where the H5N1
Avian Influenza virus will have many more opportunities to pick up
adaptive mutations making it more infectious toward humans:

http://tinyurl.com/pjqrv

http://tinyurl.com/9eren

Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus from Turkey to the Middle
East, Africa, and Europe are wild beasts of the earth:

http://tinyurl.com/cnuyl

http://tinyurl.com/ac3wu

http://tinyurl.com/awog5

http://tinyurl.com/74rfq

The 5th seal possibly has been opened and glimpses of "the souls of
those who had been slain because of the Word of GOD and the testimony
they had maintained" (Revelation 6:9) can be seen in the newly released
documentary "End of the Spear." Interestingly, the word "end" is at the
**beginning** of the title of this documentary.

When will the sun "turn black like sackcloth made of goat hair"
(Revelation 6:12b) ?

It will turn black during the total solar eclipse that will happen
**also** in Turkey on Wednesday 03/29/2006 at around 14:00 hrs LT.

http://tinyurl.com/9hnk2

The order of darkening of the following ancient cities in Turkey:

(1) Ephesus
(2) Smyrna
(3) Pergamum
(4) Thyatira
(5) Sardis
(6) Philadelphia
(7) Laodicea

Will be the same order that Christ Jesus used to address their
respective seven churches:

"Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to
Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyratira, Sardis, Philadelphia and
Laodicea." (Revelation 1:11)

Here's one plausible scenario:

On March 29th, 2006 as U.S. and Israeli coalition forces invade Iran to
effect the mandate that Iran never have nuclear capabilities, Iran uses
those **missing** WMDs that Saddam has possibly entrusted to Iran for
safekeeping:

http://tinyurl.com/bgqtd

http://tinyurl.com/crybc

This leads to nuclear missiles from coalition forces as a retaliatory
strike that inadvertantly destabilizes the already unstable area where
continental tectonic plates (Europe, Asia, and Africa) converge in the
region thereby causing a global earthquake:

http://tinyurl.com/dpydb

Now read Revelation 6:13-14 slowly and you decide whether there is a
fit.

Iran seems adamant about getting the authority to use nuclear weapons:

http://tinyurl.com/9vtms

U.S. Nuclear Subs carry Trident II missiles each packing 8
independently precision targeting nuclear warheads which have 475
kilotons of explosive power each. A single warhead has about 35 times
the explosive power of the "little boy" atomic bomb that was dropped on
Hiroshima at the close of WWII. Each warhead would be guided in
inertially exhibiting a freefall pattern with a forward velocity like
"late figs" dropping " from a fig tree when shaken by a stong
wind."(Revelation 6:13) U.S. Forces will likely use these Trident II
missiles if they lose contact with the outside world while being
attacked with WMDs.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, cooking and nutrition that interest
those following this thread here during the next on-line chat
(02/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/8juld

Andrew B. Chung said:

Orbe said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

Orbe wrote:

>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
>
>>Orbe wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>For it to *not* do anything, must mean that it approves the action.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cannot be anything else but correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Except that you have free will.
>>>>>
>>>>>The statement still remains correct.
>>>>
>>>>That is not what I discern.
>>>
>>>What you discern is of no social importance, the statement *still*
>>>remains correct.
>>
>>Your statement remains untrue.
>
>It's not my statement.

Your disowning your statements is revealing.

The statement that I was referring to:

"For it to *not* do anything, must mean that it approves the action".

Is not mine.

The statements you have made in support of that statement are what I am
referring to.

I don't disown my statements, I stand by them and they remain correct.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>>Since you do not understand the abstract, maybe a real world
>>>>>>>>example may help you: You may have the power to prevent your child
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>from doing something that you know is stupid, but even though you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>disapprove, you allow the child to make his own choice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Does this include murder, rape, incest, torture?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When your "child" is able to do these things, s/he is no longer a child
>>>>>>and you no longer will have to power to prevent your "child" from doing
>>>>>>these things.
>>>>>
>>>>>Children kill, rape and torture.
>>>>
>>>>When they do, they prove themselves to no longer be children.
>>>
>>>By who's definition?
>>
>>The LORD's.

>Irrelevant.

Only the LORD's opinion matters (Book of Ecclesiastes).

Irrelevant.

Your opinion is meaningless.

Your opinion.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Here on earth someone between infancy and youth is a child.

A child who loses his/her innocence loses his/her childhood.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>True children are incapable of violating HIS commandments.

Quoted message said:

Robert Thompson and Jon Venables were truly children.

Don't know them to judge them and even then would still choose to
refrain.

Nonetheless, they were truly children who committed murder and torture.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>What constitutes an untrue child.

One that is small in stature like a child but whose behavior of open
rebellion against the LORD's commandments indicates otherwise.

A childs behavior, is a childs behavior.

The LORD GOD Almighty will judge all:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>When they do, they are tried as children and if found guilty, punished
>>>as children.
>>
>>Actually, in many instances they are tried as adults as they should be.

Before the Willie Bosket law *all* children were tried as juveniles for
whatever crime.

Note the verb tense that I have chosen to use.

My low level of education doesn't allow me to, sorry.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>And those not included in your "many" are tried as children.

Those would be the ones that the judicial system has prejudged to be
innocent.

See above

Please do.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>*Children* kill, rape and torture.
>>
>>See above.
>>
>>
>>>>>>>If no, why not?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>See above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We are children of God and he allows us to do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you were a child of GOD, your choice would be to obey HIM and wear
>>>>>>HIS commandments on your heart.
>>>>>
>>>>>We are *all* children of God
>>>>
>>>>"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your
>>>>father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to
>>>>the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his
>>>>native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." -- LORD
>>>>Jesus Christ (John 8:44)
>>>
>>>We are all children of *God*.
>>
>>Untrue.

>As you wish.

It is what I discern.

Quoted message said:

What you discern is of no social importance.

Such is your opinion. Nonetheless, the LORD's purpose for me here to
inform you about the truth has been fulfilled.

Such is your opinion, nonetheless, my statements remain correct.
"Children do kill, rape and torture".
"Your discernment is of no social importance".
Kumar's statement:
"For it to *not* do anything, must mean that it approves the action"
also has not been proved to be incorrect.

<snip>

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:

Quoted message said:

Don Kirkman said:

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Orbe wrote:

>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
>>Orbe wrote:

[. . .]

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>>Since you do not understand the abstract, maybe a real world
>>>>>>>>example may help you: You may have the power to prevent your child
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>from doing something that you know is stupid, but even though you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>disapprove, you allow the child to make his own choice.

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>Does this include murder, rape, incest, torture?

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>When your "child" is able to do these things, s/he is no longer a child
>>>>>>and you no longer will have to power to prevent your "child" from doing
>>>>>>these things.

Quoted message said:

>>>>>Children kill, rape and torture.

Quoted message said:

>>>>When they do, they prove themselves to no longer be children.

Quoted message said:

>>>By who's definition?

Quoted message said:

>>The LORD's.

Quoted message said:

>>True children are incapable of violating HIS commandments.

Quoted message said:

>What constitutes an untrue child.

Quoted message said:

One that is small in stature like a child but whose behavior of open
rebellion against the LORD's commandments indicates otherwise.

Quoted message said:

>>>When they do, they are tried as children and if found guilty, punished
>>>as children.

Quoted message said:

>>Actually, in many instances they are tried as adults as they should be.

Quoted message said:

>And those not included in your "many" are tried as children.

Quoted message said:

Those would be the ones that the judicial system has prejudged to be
innocent.

Having worked in the judicial system, including some time working with
juvenile offenders, I can tell you that is not true.

Nonetheless, this is what I discern.

Of course it is not. You are out of touch with reality. You are not
interested in facts, reality is meaningless to you, only the "LORD's"
opinion matters to you.

Thorsten

Andrew B. Chung said:

Orbe said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

Orbe wrote:

><snip>
>
>>>>>>>For it to *not* do anything, must mean that it approves the action.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wrong.
>>>>
>>>>>Cannot be anything else but correct.
>>>>
>>>>Except that you have free will.
>>>
>>>The statement still remains correct.
>>
>>That is not what I discern.
>
>What you discern is of no social importance, the statement *still*
>remains correct.

Your statement remains untrue.

It's not my statement.

Your disowning your statements is revealing.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>Since you do not understand the abstract, maybe a real world
>>>>>>example may help you: You may have the power to prevent your child
>>>>>
>>>>>>from doing something that you know is stupid, but even though you
>>>>>
>>>>>>disapprove, you allow the child to make his own choice.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does this include murder, rape, incest, torture?
>>>>
>>>>When your "child" is able to do these things, s/he is no longer a child
>>>>and you no longer will have to power to prevent your "child" from doing
>>>>these things.
>>>
>>>Children kill, rape and torture.
>>
>>When they do, they prove themselves to no longer be children.
>
>By who's definition?

The LORD's.

Quoted message said:

Irrelevant.

Only the LORD's opinion matters (Book of Ecclesiastes).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

True children are incapable of violating HIS commandments.

What constitutes an untrue child.

One that is small in stature like a child but whose behavior of open
rebellion against the LORD's commandments indicates otherwise.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>When they do, they are tried as children and if found guilty, punished
>as children.

Actually, in many instances they are tried as adults as they should be.

Quoted message said:

And those not included in your "many" are tried as children.

Those would be the ones that the judicial system has prejudged to be
innocent.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>*Children* kill, rape and torture.

See above.

>>>>>If no, why not?
>>>>
>>>>See above.
>>>>
>>>>>We are children of God and he allows us to do it.
>>>>
>>>>If you were a child of GOD, your choice would be to obey HIM and wear
>>>>HIS commandments on your heart.
>>>
>>>We are *all* children of God
>>
>>"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your
>>father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to
>>the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his
>>native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." -- LORD
>>Jesus Christ (John 8:44)
>
>We are all children of *God*.

Untrue.

Quoted message said:

As you wish.

It is what I discern.

May the LORD help us all to endure the great tribulation when the Lamb
opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a couple of months (03/29/06),
in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

Amen !!!

Now this is about what are possibly the works of the four horsemen from
the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):

(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
sleep." - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners
who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after being
trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.

(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
has suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
and the rest of the Muslim world escalates. Thousands are rioting in
Pakistan. Iran is enriching uranium to build an atomic bomb in
violation of the NPT. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime
soon.

(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

Meanwhile, folks like Bob Pastorio who refuse to use this Approach are
heard muttering that an omer is not a weight measure but a volume
measure somewhere between one and three quarts depending on what the
food is and that liquid foods like milk (emulsified oil) and wine
should not be counted toward daily intake.

(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":

The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic seems to be starting in Turkey and Asia:

http://tinyurl.com/c6nqk

http://tinyurl.com/cy88q

http://tinyurl.com/7phm4

http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

http://tinyurl.com/ddvwq

... spreading to the middle east, Europe and Africa where the H5N1
Avian Influenza virus will have many more opportunities to pick up
adaptive mutations making it more infectious toward humans:

http://tinyurl.com/pjqrv

http://tinyurl.com/9eren

Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus from Turkey to the Middle
East, Africa, and Europe are wild beasts of the earth:

http://tinyurl.com/cnuyl

http://tinyurl.com/ac3wu

http://tinyurl.com/awog5

http://tinyurl.com/74rfq

The 5th seal possibly has been opened and glimpses of "the souls of
those who had been slain because of the Word of GOD and the testimony
they had maintained" (Revelation 6:9) can be seen in the newly released
documentary "End of the Spear." Interestingly, the word "end" is at the
**beginning** of the title of this documentary.

When will the sun "turn black like sackcloth made of goat hair"
(Revelation 6:12b) ?

It will turn black during the total solar eclipse that will happen
**also** in Turkey on Wednesday 03/29/2006 at around 14:00 hrs LT.

http://tinyurl.com/9hnk2

The order of darkening of the following ancient cities in Turkey:

(1) Ephesus
(2) Smyrna
(3) Pergamum
(4) Thyatira
(5) Sardis
(6) Philadelphia
(7) Laodicea

Will be the same order that Christ Jesus used to address their
respective seven churches:

"Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to
Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyratira, Sardis, Philadelphia and
Laodicea." (Revelation 1:11)

Here's one plausible scenario:

On March 29th, 2006 as U.S. and Israeli coalition forces invade Iran to
effect the mandate that Iran never have nuclear capabilities, Iran uses
those **missing** WMDs that Saddam has possibly entrusted to Iran for
safekeeping:

http://tinyurl.com/bgqtd

http://tinyurl.com/crybc

This leads to nuclear missiles from coalition forces as a retaliatory
strike that inadvertantly destabilizes the already unstable area where
continental tectonic plates (Europe, Asia, and Africa) converge in the
region thereby causing a global earthquake:

http://tinyurl.com/dpydb

Now read Revelation 6:13-14 slowly and you decide whether there is a
fit.

Iran seems adamant about getting the authority to use nuclear weapons:

http://tinyurl.com/9vtms

U.S. Nuclear Subs carry Trident II missiles each packing 8
independently precision targeting nuclear warheads which have 475
kilotons of explosive power each. A single warhead has about 35 times
the explosive power of the "little boy" atomic bomb that was dropped on
Hiroshima at the close of WWII. Each warhead would be guided in
inertially exhibiting a freefall pattern with a forward velocity like
"late figs" dropping " from a fig tree when shaken by a stong
wind."(Revelation 6:13) U.S. Forces will likely use these Trident II
missiles if they lose contact with the outside world while being
attacked with WMDs.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, cooking and nutrition that interest
those following this thread here during the next on-line chat
(02/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/8juld

Thorsten Schier said:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:

Quoted message said:

Don Kirkman said:

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <[email hidden]>:

>Orbe wrote:
>
>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>
>>>Orbe wrote:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>Children kill, rape and torture.

>>>>>When they do, they prove themselves to no longer be children.

>>>>By who's definition?

>>>The LORD's.

>>>True children are incapable of violating HIS commandments.

>>What constitutes an untrue child.

>One that is small in stature like a child but whose behavior of open
>rebellion against the LORD's commandments indicates otherwise.

>>>>When they do, they are tried as children and if found guilty, punished
>>>>as children.

>>>Actually, in many instances they are tried as adults as they should be.

>>And those not included in your "many" are tried as children.

>Those would be the ones that the judicial system has prejudged to be
>innocent.

Having worked in the judicial system, including some time working with
juvenile offenders, I can tell you that is not true.

Nonetheless, this is what I discern.

Of course it is not.

You still remind of the blind man who would evaluate the vision of the
seeing.

Quoted message said:

You are out of touch with reality.

It remains my choice to continue being in touch with the LORD Whom I
love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/Healer.asp

Quoted message said:

You are not interested in facts,

The LORD is the source of all facts, knowledge, and wisdom.

Quoted message said:

reality is meaningless to you,

The LORD is the source of all that is real.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life" -- LORD Jesus Christ

Quoted message said:

only the "LORD's" opinion matters to you.

Without the LORD, everything is meaningless (Book of Ecclesiastes).

May the LORD help us all to endure the great tribulation when the Lamb
opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a couple of months (03/29/06),
in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

Amen !!!

Now this is about what are possibly the works of the four horsemen from
the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):

(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
sleep." - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners
who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after being
trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.

(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
has suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
and the rest of the Muslim world escalates. Thousands are rioting in
Pakistan. Iran is enriching uranium to build an atomic bomb in
violation of the NPT. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime
soon.

(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

Meanwhile, folks like Bob Pastorio who refuse to use this Approach are
heard muttering that an omer is not a weight measure but a volume
measure somewhere between one and three quarts depending on what the
food is and that liquid foods like milk (emulsified oil) and wine
should not be counted toward daily intake.

(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":

The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic seems to be starting in Turkey and Asia:

http://tinyurl.com/c6nqk

http://tinyurl.com/cy88q

http://tinyurl.com/7phm4

http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

http://tinyurl.com/ddvwq

.... spreading to the middle east, Europe and Africa where the H5N1
Avian Influenza virus will have many more opportunities to pick up
adaptive mutations making it more infectious toward humans:

http://tinyurl.com/pjqrv

http://tinyurl.com/9eren

Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus from Turkey to the Middle
East, Africa, and Europe are wild beasts of the earth:

http://tinyurl.com/cnuyl

http://tinyurl.com/ac3wu

http://tinyurl.com/awog5

http://tinyurl.com/74rfq

The 5th seal possibly has been opened and glimpses of "the souls of
those who had been slain because of the Word of GOD and the testimony
they had maintained" (Revelation 6:9) can be seen in the newly released
documentary "End of the Spear." Interestingly, the word "end" is at the
**beginning** of the title of this documentary.

When will the sun "turn black like sackcloth made of goat hair"
(Revelation 6:12b) ?

It will turn black during the total solar eclipse that will happen
**also** in Turkey on Wednesday 03/29/2006 at around 14:00 hrs LT.

http://tinyurl.com/9hnk2

The order of darkening of the following ancient cities in Turkey:

(1) Ephesus
(2) Smyrna
(3) Pergamum
(4) Thyatira
(5) Sardis
(6) Philadelphia
(7) Laodicea

Will be the same order that Christ Jesus used to address their
respective seven churches:

"Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to
Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyratira, Sardis, Philadelphia and
Laodicea." (Revelation 1:11)

Here's one plausible scenario:

On March 29th, 2006 as U.S. and Israeli coalition forces invade Iran to
effect the mandate that Iran never have nuclear capabilities, Iran uses
those **missing** WMDs that Saddam has possibly entrusted to Iran for
safekeeping:

http://tinyurl.com/bgqtd

http://tinyurl.com/crybc

This leads to nuclear missiles from coalition forces as a retaliatory
strike that inadvertantly destabilizes the already unstable area where
continental tectonic plates (Europe, Asia, and Africa) converge in the
region thereby causing a global earthquake:

http://tinyurl.com/dpydb

Now read Revelation 6:13-14 slowly and you decide whether there is a
fit.

Iran seems adamant about getting the authority to use nuclear weapons:

http://tinyurl.com/9vtms

U.S. Nuclear Subs carry Trident II missiles each packing 8
independently precision targeting nuclear warheads which have 475
kilotons of explosive power each. A single warhead has about 35 times
the explosive power of the "little boy" atomic bomb that was dropped on
Hiroshima at the close of WWII. Each warhead would be guided in
inertially exhibiting a freefall pattern with a forward velocity like
"late figs" dropping " from a fig tree when shaken by a stong
wind."(Revelation 6:13) U.S. Forces will likely use these Trident II
missiles if they lose contact with the outside world while being
attacked with WMDs.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, cooking and nutrition that interest
those following this thread here during the next on-line chat
(02/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/8juld

Orbe said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

Orbe said:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>Orbe wrote:
>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>Orbe wrote:
>>>><snip>
>>>>>>>>>>For it to *not* do anything, must mean that it approves the action.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Cannot be anything else but correct.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Except that you have free will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The statement still remains correct.
>>>>>
>>>>>That is not what I discern.
>>>>
>>>>What you discern is of no social importance, the statement *still*
>>>>remains correct.
>>>
>>>Your statement remains untrue.
>>
>>It's not my statement.
>
>Your disowning your statements is revealing.

The statement that I was referring to:

"For it to *not* do anything, must mean that it approves the action".

Is not mine.

The statements you have made in support of that statement are what I am
referring to.

I don't disown my statements, I stand by them and they remain correct.

They remain as untrue as the statement you support.

"A house built on sand can not stand."

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>>>Since you do not understand the abstract, maybe a real world
>>>>>>>>>example may help you: You may have the power to prevent your child
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>from doing something that you know is stupid, but even though you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>disapprove, you allow the child to make his own choice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Does this include murder, rape, incest, torture?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>When your "child" is able to do these things, s/he is no longer a child
>>>>>>>and you no longer will have to power to prevent your "child" from doing
>>>>>>>these things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Children kill, rape and torture.
>>>>>
>>>>>When they do, they prove themselves to no longer be children.
>>>>
>>>>By who's definition?
>>>
>>>The LORD's.
>
>>Irrelevant.
>
>Only the LORD's opinion matters (Book of Ecclesiastes).

Irrelevant.

Your opinion is meaningless.

Quoted message said:

Your opinion.

The truth.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Here on earth someone between infancy and youth is a child.

A child who loses his/her innocence loses his/her childhood.

Quoted message said:

>>>True children are incapable of violating HIS commandments.

Quoted message said:

Robert Thompson and Jon Venables were truly children.

Don't know them to judge them and even then would still choose to
refrain.

Quoted message said:

Nonetheless, they were truly children who committed murder and torture.

If indeed they have done the latter, they are no longer children.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>What constitutes an untrue child.
>
>One that is small in stature like a child but whose behavior of open
>rebellion against the LORD's commandments indicates otherwise.

A childs behavior, is a childs behavior.

The LORD GOD Almighty will judge all:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp

Quoted message said:

>>>>When they do, they are tried as children and if found guilty, punished
>>>>as children.
>>>
>>>Actually, in many instances they are tried as adults as they should be.

Before the Willie Bosket law *all* children were tried as juveniles for
whatever crime.

Note the verb tense that I have chosen to use.

Quoted message said:

My low level of education doesn't allow me to, sorry.

That is not what I discern.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>And those not included in your "many" are tried as children.
>
>Those would be the ones that the judicial system has prejudged to be
>innocent.

See above

Please do.

Quoted message said:

>>>>*Children* kill, rape and torture.
>>>
>>>See above.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>If no, why not?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>See above.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>We are children of God and he allows us to do it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you were a child of GOD, your choice would be to obey HIM and wear
>>>>>>>HIS commandments on your heart.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We are *all* children of God
>>>>>
>>>>>"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your
>>>>>father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to
>>>>>the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his
>>>>>native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." -- LORD
>>>>>Jesus Christ (John 8:44)
>>>>
>>>>We are all children of *God*.
>>>
>>>Untrue.
>
>>As you wish.
>
>It is what I discern.

Quoted message said:

What you discern is of no social importance.

Such is your opinion. Nonetheless, the LORD's purpose for me here to
inform you about the truth has been fulfilled.

Such is your opinion, nonetheless, my statements remain correct.
"Children do kill, rape and torture".
"Your discernment is of no social importance".

The truth remains invincible.

Quoted message said:

Kumar's statement:
"For it to *not* do anything, must mean that it approves the action"
also has not been proved to be incorrect.

The truth does not require proof.

Indeed, the truth exists independent of proof.

May the LORD help us all to endure the great tribulation when the Lamb
opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a couple of months (03/29/06),
in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

Amen !!!

Now this is about what are possibly the works of the four horsemen from
the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):

(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
sleep." - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners
who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after being
trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.

(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
has suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
and the rest of the Muslim world escalates. Thousands are rioting in
Pakistan. Iran is enriching uranium to build an atomic bomb in
violation of the NPT. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime
soon.

(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

Meanwhile, folks like Bob Pastorio who refuse to use this Approach are
heard muttering that an omer is not a weight measure but a volume
measure somewhere between one and three quarts depending on what the
food is and that liquid foods like milk (emulsified oil) and wine
should not be counted toward daily intake.

(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":

The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic seems to be starting in Turkey and Asia:

http://tinyurl.com/c6nqk

http://tinyurl.com/cy88q

http://tinyurl.com/7phm4

http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

http://tinyurl.com/ddvwq

.... spreading to the middle east, Europe and Africa where the H5N1
Avian Influenza virus will have many more opportunities to pick up
adaptive mutations making it more infectious toward humans:

http://tinyurl.com/pjqrv

http://tinyurl.com/9eren

Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus from Turkey to the Middle
East, Africa, and Europe are wild beasts of the earth:

http://tinyurl.com/cnuyl

http://tinyurl.com/ac3wu

http://tinyurl.com/awog5

http://tinyurl.com/74rfq

The 5th seal possibly has been opened and glimpses of "the souls of
those who had been slain because of the Word of GOD and the testimony
they had maintained" (Revelation 6:9) can be seen in the newly released
documentary "End of the Spear." Interestingly, the word "end" is at the
**beginning** of the title of this documentary.

When will the sun "turn black like sackcloth made of goat hair"
(Revelation 6:12b) ?

It will turn black during the total solar eclipse that will happen
**also** in Turkey on Wednesday 03/29/2006 at around 14:00 hrs LT.

http://tinyurl.com/9hnk2

The order of darkening of the following ancient cities in Turkey:

(1) Ephesus
(2) Smyrna
(3) Pergamum
(4) Thyatira
(5) Sardis
(6) Philadelphia
(7) Laodicea

Will be the same order that Christ Jesus used to address their
respective seven churches:

"Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to
Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyratira, Sardis, Philadelphia and
Laodicea." (Revelation 1:11)

Here's one plausible scenario:

On March 29th, 2006 as U.S. and Israeli coalition forces invade Iran to
effect the mandate that Iran never have nuclear capabilities, Iran uses
those **missing** WMDs that Saddam has possibly entrusted to Iran for
safekeeping:

http://tinyurl.com/bgqtd

http://tinyurl.com/crybc

This leads to nuclear missiles from coalition forces as a retaliatory
strike that inadvertantly destabilizes the already unstable area where
continental tectonic plates (Europe, Asia, and Africa) converge in the
region thereby causing a global earthquake:

http://tinyurl.com/dpydb

Now read Revelation 6:13-14 slowly and you decide whether there is a
fit.

Iran seems adamant about getting the authority to use nuclear weapons:

http://tinyurl.com/9vtms

U.S. Nuclear Subs carry Trident II missiles each packing 8
independently precision targeting nuclear warheads which have 475
kilotons of explosive power each. A single warhead has about 35 times
the explosive power of the "little boy" atomic bomb that was dropped on
Hiroshima at the close of WWII. Each warhead would be guided in
inertially exhibiting a freefall pattern with a forward velocity like
"late figs" dropping " from a fig tree when shaken by a stong
wind."(Revelation 6:13) U.S. Forces will likely use these Trident II
missiles if they lose contact with the outside world while being
attacked with WMDs.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, cooking and nutrition that interest
those following this thread here during the next on-line chat
(02/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/8juld

Andrew B. Chung said:

Orbe said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

Orbe wrote:

>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
>>Orbe wrote:
>>
>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>
>>>>Orbe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>><snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>For it to *not* do anything, must mean that it approves the action.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cannot be anything else but correct.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Except that you have free will.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The statement still remains correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That is not what I discern.
>>>>>
>>>>>What you discern is of no social importance, the statement *still*
>>>>>remains correct.
>>>>
>>>>Your statement remains untrue.
>>>
>>>It's not my statement.
>>
>>Your disowning your statements is revealing.
>
>The statement that I was referring to:
>
>"For it to *not* do anything, must mean that it approves the action".
>
>Is not mine.

The statements you have made in support of that statement are what I am
referring to.

I don't disown my statements, I stand by them and they remain correct.

They remain as untrue as the statement you support.

"A house built on sand can not stand."

With proper foundations they can and do.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>>>>Since you do not understand the abstract, maybe a real world
>>>>>>>>>>example may help you: You may have the power to prevent your child
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>from doing something that you know is stupid, but even though you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>disapprove, you allow the child to make his own choice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Does this include murder, rape, incest, torture?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>When your "child" is able to do these things, s/he is no longer a child
>>>>>>>>and you no longer will have to power to prevent your "child" from doing
>>>>>>>>these things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Children kill, rape and torture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When they do, they prove themselves to no longer be children.
>>>>>
>>>>>By who's definition?
>>>>
>>>>The LORD's.
>>
>>>Irrelevant.
>>
>>Only the LORD's opinion matters (Book of Ecclesiastes).
>
>Irrelevant.

Your opinion is meaningless.

Quoted message said:

Your opinion.

The truth.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>Here on earth someone between infancy and youth is a child.

A child who loses his/her innocence loses his/her childhood.

>>>>True children are incapable of violating HIS commandments.

>Robert Thompson and Jon Venables were truly children.

Don't know them to judge them and even then would still choose to
refrain.

Quoted message said:

Nonetheless, they were truly children who committed murder and torture.

If indeed they have done the latter, they are no longer children.

They will always be children until they reach adulthood, regardless.

"To be tried as an adult in New Jersey a juvenile must be 14 years of age".
Roberta K. Glassner, New Jersey attorney.

http://www.karisable.com/mbulg.htm

"On Feb. 12, 1993, in Liverpool, England, Robert Thompson and Jon
Venables *murdered* James Bulger, 2 years old. Encountering Bulger in
the Shopping Center, Thompson and Venables led him on a long, exhausting
walk down nearby streets, past the Breeze Hill Services Reservoir and
the Job Center on Church Road West, to the railroad tracks. There, they
splashed him with sky blue paint, then battered him with bricks and an
iron bar. They placed him, not yet dead, on the tracks and built a
little shrine of bricks around his head. Later, a train cut James's body
in half". (Emphasis added)

http://www.crimelibrary.com/classics3/bulger/
Referring to a video:
"This is two-year-old James Bulger in the hands of his killers, frozen
in time. He will be taken on a long, aimless walk, cruelly *tortured*
along the way. James will be senselessly beaten to death by his
*ten-year-old* captors", (Emphasis added)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>What constitutes an untrue child.
>>
>>One that is small in stature like a child but whose behavior of open
>>rebellion against the LORD's commandments indicates otherwise.
>
>A childs behavior, is a childs behavior.

The LORD GOD Almighty will judge all:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp

>>>>>When they do, they are tried as children and if found guilty, punished
>>>>>as children.
>>>>
>>>>Actually, in many instances they are tried as adults as they should be.
>
>Before the Willie Bosket law *all* children were tried as juveniles for
>whatever crime.

Note the verb tense that I have chosen to use.

Quoted message said:

My low level of education doesn't allow me to, sorry.

That is not what I discern.

It's true.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>And those not included in your "many" are tried as children.
>>
>>Those would be the ones that the judicial system has prejudged to be
>>innocent.
>
>See above

Please do.

>>>>>*Children* kill, rape and torture.
>>>>
>>>>See above.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If no, why not?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>See above.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>We are children of God and he allows us to do it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If you were a child of GOD, your choice would be to obey HIM and wear
>>>>>>>>HIS commandments on your heart.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We are *all* children of God
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your
>>>>>>father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to
>>>>>>the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his
>>>>>>native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." -- LORD
>>>>>>Jesus Christ (John 8:44)
>>>>>
>>>>>We are all children of *God*.
>>>>
>>>>Untrue.
>>
>>>As you wish.
>>
>>It is what I discern.

>What you discern is of no social importance.

Such is your opinion. Nonetheless, the LORD's purpose for me here to
inform you about the truth has been fulfilled.

Such is your opinion, nonetheless, my statements remain correct.
"Children do kill, rape and torture".
"Your discernment is of no social importance".

The truth remains invincible.

Yes it does.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Kumar's statement:
"For it to *not* do anything, must mean that it approves the action"
also has not been proved to be incorrect.

The truth does not require proof.

Then why bother.

Quoted message said:

Indeed, the truth exists independent of proof.

As you wish.

Andrew I have shown you examples of when children murder and torture, I
have show you that there is a least one state in America that does not
try children as adults until they are at least 14 years old.
As mentioned partly above, children will always be children until they
reach adult hood, regardless of any crime committed or how they are
tried in a court of law.
My statement: "Children do kill, rape and torture", remains correct.

Re: your discernment:
Even if you did have this gift of discernment, it is of no social
importance, and neither are you, there is nothing special about you
Andrew, nor me.
My statement that "What you discern is of no social importance" remains
correct.

As for Kumar's statement:
When you have a God that is "omnipresent", "omniscient" and all
powerful, "For it to *not* do anything, must mean that it approves the
action", cannot be anything else but correct.

Thanks for the debate but I must leave it there.

Orbe

Orbe said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

Orbe said:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>Orbe wrote:
>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>Orbe wrote:
>>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>>>Orbe wrote:
>>>>>><snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>For it to *not* do anything, must mean that it approves the action.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Cannot be anything else but correct.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Except that you have free will.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The statement still remains correct.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That is not what I discern.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What you discern is of no social importance, the statement *still*
>>>>>>remains correct.
>>>>>
>>>>>Your statement remains untrue.
>>>>
>>>>It's not my statement.
>>>
>>>Your disowning your statements is revealing.
>>
>>The statement that I was referring to:
>>
>>"For it to *not* do anything, must mean that it approves the action".
>>
>>Is not mine.
>
>The statements you have made in support of that statement are what I am
>referring to.

I don't disown my statements, I stand by them and they remain correct.

They remain as untrue as the statement you support.

"A house built on sand can not stand."

Quoted message said:

With proper foundations they can and do.

A house built on a foundation is not one built on sand. Simply witness
what had happened a little more than a year ago when the 2004 tsunami
struck the coast of South India. The houses that were swept away were
built on sand.

Only the truth is the proper foundation.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life" -- LORD Jesus Christ

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>>>>>Since you do not understand the abstract, maybe a real world
>>>>>>>>>>>example may help you: You may have the power to prevent your child
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>from doing something that you know is stupid, but even though you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>disapprove, you allow the child to make his own choice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Does this include murder, rape, incest, torture?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>When your "child" is able to do these things, s/he is no longer a child
>>>>>>>>>and you no longer will have to power to prevent your "child" from doing
>>>>>>>>>these things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Children kill, rape and torture.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>When they do, they prove themselves to no longer be children.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>By who's definition?
>>>>>
>>>>>The LORD's.
>>>
>>>>Irrelevant.
>>>
>>>Only the LORD's opinion matters (Book of Ecclesiastes).
>>
>>Irrelevant.
>
>Your opinion is meaningless.

Quoted message said:

Your opinion.

The truth.

Quoted message said:

>>Here on earth someone between infancy and youth is a child.
>
>A child who loses his/her innocence loses his/her childhood.
>
>>>>>True children are incapable of violating HIS commandments.
>
>>Robert Thompson and Jon Venables were truly children.
>
>Don't know them to judge them and even then would still choose to
>refrain.

Quoted message said:

Nonetheless, they were truly children who committed murder and torture.

In your opinion.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If indeed they have done the latter, they are no longer children.

Quoted message said:

They will always be children until they reach adulthood, regardless.

Correct. Not a moment either before or after despite what people might
say or what you might write.

Quoted message said:

"To be tried as an adult in New Jersey a juvenile must be 14 years of age".
Roberta K. Glassner, New Jersey attorney.

http://www.karisable.com/mbulg.htm

"On Feb. 12, 1993, in Liverpool, England, Robert Thompson and Jon
Venables *murdered* James Bulger, 2 years old. Encountering Bulger in
the Shopping Center, Thompson and Venables led him on a long, exhausting
walk down nearby streets, past the Breeze Hill Services Reservoir and
the Job Center on Church Road West, to the railroad tracks. There, they
splashed him with sky blue paint, then battered him with bricks and an
iron bar. They placed him, not yet dead, on the tracks and built a
little shrine of bricks around his head. Later, a train cut James's body
in half". (Emphasis added)

http://www.crimelibrary.com/classics3/bulger/
Referring to a video:
"This is two-year-old James Bulger in the hands of his killers, frozen
in time. He will be taken on a long, aimless walk, cruelly *tortured*
along the way. James will be senselessly beaten to death by his
*ten-year-old* captors", (Emphasis added)

See above.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>What constitutes an untrue child.
>>>
>>>One that is small in stature like a child but whose behavior of open
>>>rebellion against the LORD's commandments indicates otherwise.
>>
>>A childs behavior, is a childs behavior.
>
>The LORD GOD Almighty will judge all:
>
>http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp
>
>
>>>>>>When they do, they are tried as children and if found guilty, punished
>>>>>>as children.
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually, in many instances they are tried as adults as they should be.
>>
>>Before the Willie Bosket law *all* children were tried as juveniles for
>>whatever crime.
>
>Note the verb tense that I have chosen to use.

Quoted message said:

My low level of education doesn't allow me to, sorry.

That is not what I discern.

Quoted message said:

It's true.

The truth is not what you write but what is from the beginning and will
be to the end.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>And those not included in your "many" are tried as children.
>>>
>>>Those would be the ones that the judicial system has prejudged to be
>>>innocent.
>>
>>See above
>
>Please do.
>
>>>>>>*Children* kill, rape and torture.
>>>>>
>>>>>See above.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If no, why not?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>See above.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>We are children of God and he allows us to do it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If you were a child of GOD, your choice would be to obey HIM and wear
>>>>>>>>>HIS commandments on your heart.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>We are *all* children of God
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your
>>>>>>>father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to
>>>>>>>the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his
>>>>>>>native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." -- LORD
>>>>>>>Jesus Christ (John 8:44)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We are all children of *God*.
>>>>>
>>>>>Untrue.
>>>
>>>>As you wish.
>>>
>>>It is what I discern.
>
>>What you discern is of no social importance.
>
>Such is your opinion. Nonetheless, the LORD's purpose for me here to
>inform you about the truth has been fulfilled.

Such is your opinion, nonetheless, my statements remain correct.
"Children do kill, rape and torture".
"Your discernment is of no social importance".

The truth remains invincible.

Quoted message said:

Yes it does.

Yes, HE is.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life" -- LORD Jesus Christ

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Kumar's statement:
"For it to *not* do anything, must mean that it approves the action"
also has not been proved to be incorrect.

The truth does not require proof.

Then why bother.

Out of love for the truth.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Indeed, the truth exists independent of proof.

Quoted message said:

As you wish.

Not from my wish.

As HE is, was, and forever will be.

Quoted message said:

Andrew I have shown you examples of when children murder and torture,

Such beings are by definition no longer children as soon as they even
think about murder and torture.

Quoted message said:

I
have show you that there is a least one state in America that does not
try children as adults until they are at least 14 years old.

See above.

Quoted message said:

As mentioned partly above, children will always be children until they
reach adult hood, regardless of any crime committed or how they are
tried in a court of law.

Again, see above.

Quoted message said:

My statement: "Children do kill, rape and torture", remains correct.

Again, your statements remain untrue.

Quoted message said:

Re: your discernment:
Even if you did have this gift of discernment, it is of no social
importance, and neither are you, there is nothing special about you
Andrew, nor me.

The LORD's purpose for me here is to inform thereby glorifying HIM and
not to seek self-glorification.

Please consider yourself informed.

Quoted message said:

My statement that "What you discern is of no social importance" remains
correct.

Without the LORD, all that you write is meaningless (Book of
Ecclesiates).

Quoted message said:

As for Kumar's statement:
When you have a God that is "omnipresent", "omniscient" and all
powerful, "For it to *not* do anything, must mean that it approves the
action", cannot be anything else but correct.

By being omnipotent, the LORD is able to do all things including giving
you free will and allowing you to do evil things without blessing what
you do with HIS approval.

Quoted message said:

Thanks for the debate but I must leave it there.

Again, the LORD's purpose for me here is to inform and not to debate.

And again, please consider yourself informed.

May the LORD help us all to endure the great tribulation when the Lamb
opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a couple of months (03/29/06),
in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

Amen !!!

Now this is about what are possibly the works of the four horsemen from
the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):

(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
sleep." - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners
who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after being
trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.

(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
has suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
and the rest of the Muslim world escalates. Thousands are rioting in
Pakistan. Iran is enriching uranium to build an atomic bomb in
violation of the NPT. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime
soon.

(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

Meanwhile, folks like Bob Pastorio who refuse to use this Approach are
heard muttering that an omer is not a weight measure but a volume
measure somewhere between one and three quarts depending on what the
food is and that liquid foods like milk (emulsified oil) and wine
should not be counted toward daily intake.

(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":

The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic seems to be starting in Turkey and Asia:

http://tinyurl.com/c6nqk

http://tinyurl.com/cy88q

http://tinyurl.com/7phm4

http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

http://tinyurl.com/ddvwq

.... spreading to the middle east, Europe, Africa, India, and back to
Asia where the H5N1 Avian Influenza virus will have many more
opportunities to pick up adaptive mutations making it more infectious
toward humans:

http://tinyurl.com/pjqrv

http://tinyurl.com/9eren

Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus from Turkey to the Middle
East, Africa, and Europe are wild beasts of the earth:

http://tinyurl.com/cnuyl

http://tinyurl.com/ac3wu

http://tinyurl.com/awog5

http://tinyurl.com/74rfq

The 5th seal possibly has been opened and glimpses of "the souls of
those who had been slain because of the Word of GOD and the testimony
they had maintained" (Revelation 6:9) can be seen in the newly released
documentary "End of the Spear." Interestingly, the word "end" is at the
**beginning** of the title of this documentary.

When will the sun "turn black like sackcloth made of goat hair"
(Revelation 6:12b) ?

It will turn black during the total solar eclipse that will happen
**also** in Turkey on Wednesday 03/29/2006 at around 14:00 hrs LT.

http://tinyurl.com/9hnk2

The order of darkening of the following ancient cities in Turkey:

(1) Ephesus
(2) Smyrna
(3) Pergamum
(4) Thyatira
(5) Sardis
(6) Philadelphia
(7) Laodicea

Will be the same order that Christ Jesus used to address their
respective seven churches:

"Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to
Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyratira, Sardis, Philadelphia and
Laodicea." (Revelation 1:11)

Here's one plausible scenario:

On March 29th, 2006 as U.S. and Israeli coalition forces invade Iran to
effect the mandate that Iran never have nuclear capabilities, Iran uses
those **missing** WMDs that Saddam has possibly entrusted to Iran for
safekeeping:

http://tinyurl.com/bgqtd

http://tinyurl.com/crybc

This leads to nuclear missiles from coalition forces as a retaliatory
strike that inadvertantly destabilizes the already unstable area where
continental tectonic plates (Europe, Asia, and Africa) converge in the
region thereby causing a global earthquake:

http://tinyurl.com/dpydb

Now read Revelation 6:13-14 slowly and you decide whether there is a
fit.

Iran seems adamant about getting the authority to use nuclear weapons:

http://tinyurl.com/9vtms

U.S. Nuclear Subs carry Trident II missiles each packing 8
independently precision targeting nuclear warheads which have 475
kilotons of explosive power each. A single warhead has about 35 times
the explosive power of the "little boy" atomic bomb that was dropped on
Hiroshima at the close of WWII. Each warhead would be guided in
inertially exhibiting a freefall pattern with a forward velocity like
"late figs" dropping " from a fig tree when shaken by a stong
wind."(Revelation 6:13) U.S. Forces will likely use these Trident II
missiles if they lose contact with the outside world while being
attacked with WMDs.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, cooking and nutrition that interest
those following this thread here during the next on-line chat
(02/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/8juld

Andrew B. Chung said:

Only the truth is the proper foundation.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life" -- LORD Jesus Christ

In order for it to be the proper foundation, this statement by the
author of the Book of John would have to be true.

Quoted message said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

Only the truth is the proper foundation.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life" -- LORD Jesus Christ

In order for it to be the proper foundation, this statement by the
author of the Book of John would have to be true.

This statement is as it is written.

It is as it was as it ever will be.

The truth remains invincible.

May the LORD help us all to endure the great tribulation when the Lamb
opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a couple of months (03/29/06),
in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

Amen !!!

Now this is about what are possibly the works of the four horsemen from
the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):

(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
sleep." - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners
who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after being
trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.

(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
has suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
and the rest of the Muslim world escalates. Thousands are rioting in
Pakistan. Iran is enriching uranium to build an atomic bomb in
violation of the NPT. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime
soon.

(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

Meanwhile, folks like Bob Pastorio who refuse to use this Approach are
heard muttering that an omer is not a weight measure but a volume
measure somewhere between one and three quarts depending on what the
food is and that liquid foods like milk (emulsified oil) and wine
should not be counted toward daily intake.

(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":

The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic seems to be starting in Turkey and Asia:

http://tinyurl.com/c6nqk

http://tinyurl.com/cy88q

http://tinyurl.com/7phm4

http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

http://tinyurl.com/ddvwq

.... spreading to the middle east, Europe, Africa, India, and back to
Asia where the H5N1 Avian Influenza virus will have many more
opportunities to pick up adaptive mutations making it more infectious
toward humans:

http://tinyurl.com/pjqrv

http://tinyurl.com/9eren

Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus from Turkey to the Middle
East, Africa, and Europe are wild beasts of the earth:

http://tinyurl.com/cnuyl

http://tinyurl.com/ac3wu

http://tinyurl.com/awog5

http://tinyurl.com/74rfq

The 5th seal possibly has been opened and glimpses of "the souls of
those who had been slain because of the Word of GOD and the testimony
they had maintained" (Revelation 6:9) can be seen in the newly released
documentary "End of the Spear." Interestingly, the word "end" is at the
**beginning** of the title of this documentary.

When will the sun "turn black like sackcloth made of goat hair"
(Revelation 6:12b) ?

It will turn black during the total solar eclipse that will happen
**also** in Turkey on Wednesday 03/29/2006 at around 14:00 hrs LT.

http://tinyurl.com/9hnk2

The order of darkening of the following ancient cities in Turkey:

(1) Ephesus
(2) Smyrna
(3) Pergamum
(4) Thyatira
(5) Sardis
(6) Philadelphia
(7) Laodicea

Will be the same order that Christ Jesus used to address their
respective seven churches:

"Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to
Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyratira, Sardis, Philadelphia and
Laodicea." (Revelation 1:11)

Here's one plausible scenario:

On March 29th, 2006 as U.S. and Israeli coalition forces invade Iran to
effect the mandate that Iran never have nuclear capabilities, Iran uses
those **missing** WMDs that Saddam has possibly entrusted to Iran for
safekeeping:

http://tinyurl.com/bgqtd

http://tinyurl.com/crybc

This leads to nuclear missiles from coalition forces as a retaliatory
strike that inadvertantly destabilizes the already unstable area where
continental tectonic plates (Europe, Asia, and Africa) converge in the
region thereby causing a global earthquake:

http://tinyurl.com/dpydb

Now read Revelation 6:13-14 slowly and you decide whether there is a
fit.

Iran seems adamant about getting the authority to use nuclear weapons:

http://tinyurl.com/9vtms

U.S. Nuclear Subs carry Trident II missiles each packing 8
independently precision targeting nuclear warheads which have 475
kilotons of explosive power each. A single warhead has about 35 times
the explosive power of the "little boy" atomic bomb that was dropped on
Hiroshima at the close of WWII. Each warhead would be guided in
inertially exhibiting a freefall pattern with a forward velocity like
"late figs" dropping " from a fig tree when shaken by a stong
wind."(Revelation 6:13) U.S. Forces will likely use these Trident II
missiles if they lose contact with the outside world while being
attacked with WMDs.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, cooking and nutrition that interest
those following this thread here during the next on-line chat
(02/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/8juld

Andrew B. Chung said:

Quoted message said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

Only the truth is the proper foundation.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life" -- LORD Jesus Christ

In order for it to be the proper foundation, this statement by the
author of the Book of John would have to be true.

This statement is as it is written.

Quite. It is as the author of John wrote it. What about it? In order
for it to be the proper foundation, the statement would need to have
actually been spoken by Jesus and his statement would have to actually
be true.

Quoted message said:

It is as it was as it ever will be.

How may it be verified? If one asks Jesus whether he made the statement
or whether the author of John made it up, would Jesus give an audible
response that can be recorded as a sound clip? Even if he gives an
affirmative response, how can it be verified that his response is
accurate?

Quoted message said:

The truth remains invincible.

Suppose the truth is that Jesus never made such a statement. How can
this truth remain invincible when there are characters concocting
gospels to convince people that he did make such a statement?

Quoted message said:

May the LORD help us all to endure the great tribulation when the Lamb
opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a couple of months (03/29/06),
in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

What will you say in 3 months, after the 6th seal has failed to be
opened?

Quoted message said:

Now this is about what are possibly the works of the four horsemen from
the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):

We don't know the date of Jesus' birth.

Quoted message said:

(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
sleep." - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners
who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after being
trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.

(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
has suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
and the rest of the Muslim world escalates. Thousands are rioting in
Pakistan. Iran is enriching uranium to build an atomic bomb in
violation of the NPT. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime
soon.

Post a photograph of this fiery red horse.

Quoted message said:

Post a photograph of this fiery red horse.

Ask and ye shall receive:

http://www.geocities.com/sweettemple2000/pokey.gif

Quoted message said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

Quoted message said:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

> Only the truth is the proper foundation.
>
> "I am the way, the truth, and the life" -- LORD Jesus Christ

In order for it to be the proper foundation, this statement by the
author of the Book of John would have to be true.

This statement is as it is written.

Quite. It is as the author of John wrote it. What about it?

The truth remains undeniable.

Quoted message said:

In order
for it to be the proper foundation, the statement would need to have
actually been spoken by Jesus and his statement would have to actually
be true.

If HIS statement were not true (i.e. if the Christ were not the truth),
HE would not still be standing.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It is as it was as it ever will be.

How may it be verified?

The truth is HIS Own verification.

Quoted message said:

If one asks Jesus whether he made the statement
or whether the author of John made it up, would Jesus give an audible
response that can be recorded as a sound clip?

If the possibility of a global earthquake is realized on 3/29/2006
though the LORD's infinite will, you will hear an audible response that
will be recorded on all seismographs.

Quoted message said:

Even if he gives an
affirmative response, how can it be verified that his response is
accurate?

By observing the destructive power of His wrath.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The truth remains invincible.

Suppose the truth is that Jesus never made such a statement. How can
this truth remain invincible when there are characters concocting
gospels to convince people that he did make such a statement?

It would not be invincible were it not the truth.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

May the LORD help us all to endure the great tribulation when the Lamb
opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a couple of months (03/29/06),
in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

What will you say in 3 months, after the 6th seal has failed to be
opened?

That through the LORD's infinite will the possibility of a global
earthquake on 3/29/06 was not realized.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Now this is about what are possibly the works of the four horsemen from
the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):

We don't know the date of Jesus' birth.

We know the current year is 2006 AD.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
sleep." - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners
who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after being
trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.

(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
has suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
and the rest of the Muslim world escalates. Thousands are rioting in
Pakistan. Iran is enriching uranium to build an atomic bomb in
violation of the NPT. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime
soon.

Post a photograph of this fiery red horse.

The vision is John's and not mine.

May the LORD help us all to endure the great tribulation when the Lamb
opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a couple of months (03/29/06),
in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

Amen !!!

Now this is about what are possibly the works of the four horsemen from
the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):

(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
sleep." - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners
who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after being
trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.

(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
has suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
and the rest of the Muslim world escalates. Thousands are rioting in
Pakistan. Iran is enriching uranium to build an atomic bomb in
violation of the NPT. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime
soon.

(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

Meanwhile, folks like Bob Pastorio who refuse to use this Approach are
heard muttering that an omer is not a weight measure but a volume
measure somewhere between one and three quarts depending on what the
food is and that liquid foods like milk (emulsified oil) and wine
should not be counted toward daily intake.

(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":

The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic seems to be starting in Turkey and Asia:

http://tinyurl.com/c6nqk

http://tinyurl.com/cy88q

http://tinyurl.com/7phm4

http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

http://tinyurl.com/ddvwq

.... spreading to the middle east, Europe, Africa, India, and back to
Asia where the H5N1 Avian Influenza virus will have many more
opportunities to pick up adaptive mutations making it more infectious
toward humans:

http://tinyurl.com/pjqrv

http://tinyurl.com/9eren

Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus from Turkey to the Middle
East, Africa, and Europe are wild beasts of the earth:

http://tinyurl.com/cnuyl

http://tinyurl.com/ac3wu

http://tinyurl.com/awog5

http://tinyurl.com/74rfq

The 5th seal possibly has been opened and glimpses of "the souls of
those who had been slain because of the Word of GOD and the testimony
they had maintained" (Revelation 6:9) can be seen in the newly released
documentary "End of the Spear." Interestingly, the word "end" is at the
**beginning** of the title of this documentary.

When will the sun "turn black like sackcloth made of goat hair"
(Revelation 6:12b) ?

It will turn black during the total solar eclipse that will happen
**also** in Turkey on Wednesday 03/29/2006 at around 14:00 hrs LT.

http://tinyurl.com/9hnk2

The order of darkening of the following ancient cities in Turkey:

(1) Ephesus
(2) Smyrna
(3) Pergamum
(4) Thyatira
(5) Sardis
(6) Philadelphia
(7) Laodicea

Will be the same order that Christ Jesus used to address their
respective seven churches:

"Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to
Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyratira, Sardis, Philadelphia and
Laodicea." (Revelation 1:11)

Here's one plausible scenario:

On March 29th, 2006 as U.S. and Israeli coalition forces invade Iran to
effect the mandate that Iran never have nuclear capabilities, Iran uses
those **missing** WMDs that Saddam has possibly entrusted to Iran for
safekeeping:

http://tinyurl.com/bgqtd

http://tinyurl.com/crybc

This leads to nuclear missiles from coalition forces as a retaliatory
strike that inadvertantly destabilizes the already unstable area where
continental tectonic plates (Europe, Asia, and Africa) converge in the
region thereby causing a global earthquake:

http://tinyurl.com/dpydb

Now read Revelation 6:13-14 slowly and you decide whether there is a
fit.

Iran seems adamant about getting the authority to use nuclear weapons:

http://tinyurl.com/9vtms

U.S. Nuclear Subs carry Trident II missiles each packing 8
independently precision targeting nuclear warheads which have 475
kilotons of explosive power each. A single warhead has about 35 times
the explosive power of the "little boy" atomic bomb that was dropped on
Hiroshima at the close of WWII. Each warhead would be guided in
inertially exhibiting a freefall pattern with a forward velocity like
"late figs" dropping " from a fig tree when shaken by a stong
wind."(Revelation 6:13) U.S. Forces will likely use these Trident II
missiles if they lose contact with the outside world while being
attacked with WMDs.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, cooking and nutrition that interest
those following this thread here during the next on-line chat
(02/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/8juld

On 22 Feb 2006 21:33:37 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Yo, clueless dude, what happened to that global earthquake goodie?
Looks like your god let you down, baby, let you down after you made
such a fool of yourself. See, he played you for the fool, fool.

And I see you continue to make a fool of yourself.

Ever heard of learning from your mistakes? Either you haven't or there
are some words in that phrase you do not understand.

jim

ensenadajim said:

On 22 Feb 2006 21:33:37 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Yo, clueless dude, what happened to that global earthquake goodie?

The possibility of a global earthquake happening on 03/29/2006 remains
realizable per the LORD's infinite will.

May the LORD help us all to endure the great tribulation when the Lamb
opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a couple of months (03/29/06),
in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

Amen !!!

Now this is about what are possibly the works of the four horsemen from
the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):

(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
sleep." - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners
who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after being
trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.

(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
has suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
and the rest of the Muslim world escalates. Thousands are rioting in
Pakistan. Iran is enriching uranium to build an atomic bomb in
violation of the NPT. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime
soon.

(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

Meanwhile, folks like Bob Pastorio who refuse to use this Approach are
heard muttering that an omer is not a weight measure but a volume
measure somewhere between one and three quarts depending on what the
food is and that liquid foods like milk (emulsified oil) and wine
should not be counted toward daily intake.

(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":

The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic seems to be starting in Turkey and Asia:

http://tinyurl.com/c6nqk

http://tinyurl.com/cy88q

http://tinyurl.com/7phm4

http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

http://tinyurl.com/ddvwq

.... spreading to the middle east, Europe, Africa, India, and back to
Asia where the H5N1 Avian Influenza virus will have many more
opportunities to pick up adaptive mutations making it more infectious
toward humans:

http://tinyurl.com/pjqrv

http://tinyurl.com/9eren

Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus from Turkey to the Middle
East, Africa, and Europe are wild beasts of the earth:

http://tinyurl.com/cnuyl

http://tinyurl.com/ac3wu

http://tinyurl.com/awog5

http://tinyurl.com/74rfq

The 5th seal possibly has been opened and glimpses of "the souls of
those who had been slain because of the Word of GOD and the testimony
they had maintained" (Revelation 6:9) can be seen in the newly released
documentary "End of the Spear." Interestingly, the word "end" is at the
**beginning** of the title of this documentary.

When will the sun "turn black like sackcloth made of goat hair"
(Revelation 6:12b) ?

It will turn black during the total solar eclipse that will happen
**also** in Turkey on Wednesday 03/29/2006 at around 14:00 hrs LT.

http://tinyurl.com/9hnk2

The order of darkening of the following ancient cities in Turkey:

(1) Ephesus
(2) Smyrna
(3) Pergamum
(4) Thyatira
(5) Sardis
(6) Philadelphia
(7) Laodicea

Will be the same order that Christ Jesus used to address their
respective seven churches:

"Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to
Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyratira, Sardis, Philadelphia and
Laodicea." (Revelation 1:11)

Here's one plausible scenario:

On March 29th, 2006 as U.S. and Israeli coalition forces invade Iran to
effect the mandate that Iran never have nuclear capabilities, Iran uses
those **missing** WMDs that Saddam has possibly entrusted to Iran for
safekeeping:

http://tinyurl.com/bgqtd

http://tinyurl.com/crybc

This leads to nuclear missiles from coalition forces as a retaliatory
strike that inadvertantly destabilizes the already unstable area where
continental tectonic plates (Europe, Asia, and Africa) converge in the
region thereby causing a global earthquake:

http://tinyurl.com/dpydb

Now read Revelation 6:13-14 slowly and you decide whether there is a
fit.

Iran seems adamant about getting the authority to use nuclear weapons:

http://tinyurl.com/9vtms

U.S. Nuclear Subs carry Trident II missiles each packing 8
independently precision targeting nuclear warheads which have 475
kilotons of explosive power each. A single warhead has about 35 times
the explosive power of the "little boy" atomic bomb that was dropped on
Hiroshima at the close of WWII. Each warhead would be guided in
inertially exhibiting a freefall pattern with a forward velocity like
"late figs" dropping " from a fig tree when shaken by a stong
wind."(Revelation 6:13) U.S. Forces will likely use these Trident II
missiles if they lose contact with the outside world while being
attacked with WMDs.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, cooking and nutrition that interest
those following this thread here during the next on-line chat
(02/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/8juld

Andrew B. Chung said:

Quoted message said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

[email hidden] wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> > Only the truth is the proper foundation.
> >
> > "I am the way, the truth, and the life" -- LORD Jesus Christ
>
> In order for it to be the proper foundation, this statement by the
> author of the Book of John would have to be true.

This statement is as it is written.

Quite. It is as the author of John wrote it. What about it?

The truth remains undeniable.

Sure. That the author of "John" wrote this is as undeniable as the fact
that Arthur Conan Doyle wrote "Elementary, my dear Watson".

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In order
for it to be the proper foundation, the statement would need to have
actually been spoken by Jesus and his statement would have to actually
be true.

If HIS statement were not true (i.e. if the Christ were not the truth),
HE would not still be standing.

None of the Christs, whether Jesus or Cyrus or any of the others*, is
still standing and the author of John is not still standing either.

* For Christos in the OT, refer to these references in the Septuagint:
Leviticus 4:5, 6:15, 21:12
1 Samuel 24:7, 24:11; 26:9, 11, 16, 23
2 Samuel 1:14, 16; 2:5; 19:22; 23:1
Lamentations 4:20
Amos 4:13
Psalm 19:7; 20:6; 88:39
2 Chronicles 22:7

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It is as it was as it ever will be.

How may it be verified?

The truth is HIS Own verification.

Flower eating unicorns are their own verification too.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If one asks Jesus whether he made the statement
or whether the author of John made it up, would Jesus give an audible
response that can be recorded as a sound clip?

If the possibility of a global earthquake is realized on 3/29/2006
though the LORD's infinite will, you will hear an audible response that
will be recorded on all seismographs.

Quoted message said:

Even if he gives an
affirmative response, how can it be verified that his response is
accurate?

By observing the destructive power of His wrath.

How may it be verified that the destructive power is of his wrath and
not a vagary of nature?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The truth remains invincible.

Suppose the truth is that Jesus never made such a statement. How can
this truth remain invincible when there are characters concocting
gospels to convince people that he did make such a statement?

It would not be invincible were it not the truth.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

May the LORD help us all to endure the great tribulation when the Lamb
opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a couple of months (03/29/06),
in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

What will you say in 3 months, after the 6th seal has failed to be
opened?

That through the LORD's infinite will the possibility of a global
earthquake on 3/29/06 was not realized.

Very good. Let me warn you that you will be struck by lightning on
3/27/06. If you still remain unstruck on 3/28, it will be because
through my infinite will, the lightning strike was not realized.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Now this is about what are possibly the works of the four horsemen from
the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):

We don't know the date of Jesus' birth.

We know the current year is 2006 AD.

That we do. It doesn't tell us the date of Jesus' birth.

Quoted message said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

Quoted message said:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> [email hidden] wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >
> > > Only the truth is the proper foundation.
> > >
> > > "I am the way, the truth, and the life" -- LORD Jesus Christ
> >
> > In order for it to be the proper foundation, this statement by the
> > author of the Book of John would have to be true.
>
> This statement is as it is written.

Quite. It is as the author of John wrote it. What about it?

The truth remains undeniable.

Sure. That the author of "John" wrote this is as undeniable as the fact
that Arthur Conan Doyle wrote "Elementary, my dear Watson".

The truth exists outside the pages of John.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In order
for it to be the proper foundation, the statement would need to have
actually been spoken by Jesus and his statement would have to actually
be true.

If HIS statement were not true (i.e. if the Christ were not the truth),
HE would not still be standing.

None of the Christs, whether Jesus or Cyrus or any of the others*, is
still standing and the author of John is not still standing either.

* For Christos in the OT, refer to these references in the Septuagint:
Leviticus 4:5, 6:15, 21:12
1 Samuel 24:7, 24:11; 26:9, 11, 16, 23
2 Samuel 1:14, 16; 2:5; 19:22; 23:1
Lamentations 4:20
Amos 4:13
Psalm 19:7; 20:6; 88:39
2 Chronicles 22:7

LORD Jesus Christ is risen and stands. In truth, it is because HE
stands that HIS bond servant stands to bring HIM all the glory and the
praise.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> It is as it was as it ever will be.

How may it be verified?

The truth is HIS Own verification.

Flower eating unicorns are their own verification too.

That is not what I discern.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If one asks Jesus whether he made the statement
or whether the author of John made it up, would Jesus give an audible
response that can be recorded as a sound clip?

If the possibility of a global earthquake is realized on 3/29/2006
though the LORD's infinite will, you will hear an audible response that
will be recorded on all seismographs.

Quoted message said:

Even if he gives an
affirmative response, how can it be verified that his response is
accurate?

By observing the destructive power of His wrath.

How may it be verified that the destructive power is of his wrath and
not a vagary of nature?

Through the observation of it happening as the LORD has prophesied.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> The truth remains invincible.

Suppose the truth is that Jesus never made such a statement. How can
this truth remain invincible when there are characters concocting
gospels to convince people that he did make such a statement?

It would not be invincible were it not the truth.

Quoted message said:

> May the LORD help us all to endure the great tribulation when the Lamb
> opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a couple of months (03/29/06),
> in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

What will you say in 3 months, after the 6th seal has failed to be
opened?

That through the LORD's infinite will the possibility of a global
earthquake on 3/29/06 was not realized.

Very good. Let me warn you that you will be struck by lightning on
3/27/06.

It would be your choice to prophesy.

Quoted message said:

If you still remain unstruck on 3/28, it will be because
through my infinite will, the lightning strike was not realized.

It would be your choice to covet the LORD's infinite will.

It would be my choice to remain not of this world just as the LORD is
not of this world.

However and whenever HE calls me to depart from this world, I will obey
joyfully whether you have predicted it or not.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Now this is about what are possibly the works of the four horsemen from
> the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
> into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):

We don't know the date of Jesus' birth.

We know the current year is 2006 AD.

That we do. It doesn't tell us the date of Jesus' birth.

The exact date of Jesus' birth is not part of the LORD's prophesy
concerning 2006 matching up with chapter 6 where the prophesy resides
in the Book of Revelation.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, cooking and nutrition that interest those
following this thread here during the on-line chat happening now
(02/23/06) until 7:00 PM EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/8juld