Re: EPO use can cause.....DEATH!!!!

Quoted message said:

If the risk for death were so serious, surely we would have seen some
pro cyclist die from it. We haven't.

Thanks,

Magilla

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In Sweden, I think 4 or 5 died in their sleep from EPO. Their blood was
as thick as ketchup, and the heart just couldn't pump it. Horrible deaths,
in the early years of EPO.

MagillaGorilla said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aqLc.tP3A6AI&refe...

Quoted message said:

Amgen's, J&J's Anemia Drugs Get Stronger U.S. Warning (Update4)

SNIP

If the risk for death were so serious, surely we would have seen some
pro cyclist die from it.  We haven't.

Thanks,

Magilla

Magilla

Not sure if you are fishing, but many have died...... starting with
1989 amateur world chump.

Callistus Valerius said:

Quoted message said:

If the risk for death were so serious, surely we would have seen some
pro cyclist die from it. We haven't.

Thanks,

Magilla

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In Sweden, I think 4 or 5 died in their sleep from EPO. Their blood was
as thick as ketchup, and the heart just couldn't pump it. Horrible deaths,
in the early years of EPO.

I also heard Rod Stewart swallowed a pint of sperm and had to go to the
hospital to get it pumped out of his stomach.

Thanks,

Magilla

Quoted message said:

MagillaGorilla said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aqLc.tP3A6AI&refe...

Quoted message said:

Amgen's, J&J's Anemia Drugs Get Stronger U.S. Warning (Update4)

SNIP

If the risk for death were so serious, surely we would have seen some
pro cyclist die from it. �We haven't.

Thanks,

Magilla

Magilla

Not sure if you are fishing, but many have died...... starting with
1989 amateur world chump.

Yeah, you got the coroner's full report and toxicology results on that
right? Or are you just repeating rumors you heard and claiming they are
the same as an actual toxicology report? (Hint: no coronor tests for EPO).

For all I know they could have died from a myriad of other substances.
You want it to be EPO so you say it is EPO. That doesn't make it so.

If you want to invent your own cause of death, then go right ahead. But
don't come in here and try to sell me on the [censored] you know it's due
to EPO when the fact is you don't.

Thanks,

Magilla

Callistus Valerius said:

Quoted message said:

If the risk for death were so serious, surely we would have seen some
pro cyclist die from it. We haven't.

Thanks,

Magilla

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In Sweden, I think 4 or 5 died in their sleep from EPO. Their blood was
as thick as ketchup, and the heart just couldn't pump it. Horrible deaths,
in the early years of EPO.

There were not 4 or 5 Swedish cyclists dying in their sleep from that.
There were a number of deaths like that among racing cyclists in the
Netherlands.

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"MagillaGorilla" <[email hidden]> wrote...

Quoted message said:

Yeah, you got the coroner's full report and toxicology results on that
right? Or are you just repeating rumors you heard and claiming they are
the same as an actual toxicology report? (Hint: no coronor tests for EPO).

For all I know they could have died from a myriad of other substances. You
want it to be EPO so you say it is EPO. That doesn't make it so.

If you want to invent your own cause of death, then go right ahead. But
don't come in here and try to sell me on the [censored] you know it's due to
EPO when the fact is you don't.

And O.J. is innocent.

Although there is no evidence directly linking the recent spate of
fatalities to banned drug use, a similar cluster of deaths - mainly in the
Low Countries - in the late 1980s and early 1990s is now held to have marked
the arrival in cycling of the banned blood booster erythropoietin (EPO).
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cycling/story/0,10482,1149111,00.html

Additional dangers of EPO include sudden death during sleep, which has
killed approximately 18 pro cyclists in the past fifteen years, and the
development of antibodies directed against EPO. In this later circumstance
the individual develops anemia as a result of the body's reaction against
repeated EPO injections.
http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/sports/epo.html

In article <[email hidden]>,

MagillaGorilla said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aqLc.tP3A6AI&refer=home

Amgen's, J&J's Anemia Drugs Get Stronger U.S. Warning (Update4)

SNIP

If the risk for death were so serious, surely we would have seen some
pro cyclist die from it. We haven't.

When I read this, I spit-take so hard that milk came out of my nose.

And I wasn't drinking milk!

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

MagillaGorilla said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aqLc.tP3A6AI&refe...

Quoted message said:

Amgen's, J&J's Anemia Drugs Get Stronger U.S. Warning (Update4)

SNIP

If the risk for death were so serious, surely we would have seen some
pro cyclist die from it. ?We haven't.

Thanks,

Magilla

Magilla

Not sure if you are fishing, but many have died...... starting with
1989 amateur world chump.

Yes, and you struck the line, candyass.

Jim Flom said:

"MagillaGorilla" <[email hidden]> wrote...

Quoted message said:

Yeah, you got the coroner's full report and toxicology results on that
right? Or are you just repeating rumors you heard and claiming they are
the same as an actual toxicology report? (Hint: no coronor tests for EPO).

For all I know they could have died from a myriad of other substances. You
want it to be EPO so you say it is EPO. That doesn't make it so.

If you want to invent your own cause of death, then go right ahead. But
don't come in here and try to sell me on the [censored] you know it's due to
EPO when the fact is you don't.

And O.J. is innocent.

Although there is no evidence directly linking the recent spate of
fatalities to banned drug use, a similar cluster of deaths - mainly in the
Low Countries - in the late 1980s and early 1990s is now held to have marked
the arrival in cycling of the banned blood booster erythropoietin (EPO).
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cycling/story/0,10482,1149111,00.html

Yeah, and all those boats that "disappear" off the coast of Florida are
due to the Bermuda Triangle. After all, what else could it be?

How do you know they didn't die of amphetamines or cocaine or mismatched
blood transfusions or Pot belge or insulin overdose or any number of
other things? Why would you just pick EPO out of the blue like that?

It's bizarre.

Quoted message said:

Additional dangers of EPO include sudden death during sleep, which has
killed approximately 18 pro cyclists in the past fifteen years, and the
development of antibodies directed against EPO. In this later circumstance
the individual develops anemia as a result of the body's reaction against
repeated EPO injections.
http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/sports/epo.html

A declaration without proof, names, or coroner's reports. It's all
guessing, just like you and everyone else does.

Just because you cite a link doesn't mean the content in it has been proven.

I like all the references and official documentation to support this
contention in the article (none). Do you think just because the link
has "edu" in it I'm suppose to roll over and capitulate to its content?

OJ had DNA evidence. What does your EPO contention have besides
guessing? You don't kknow any of their blood values or whether they
were anemic or not (tell me their blood's hemoglobin levels and how you
know that figure to be true).

All your evidence is self-fulfilling rhetoric.

Thanks,

Magilla

MagillaGorilla said:

For all I know they could have died from a myriad of other substances.
You want it to be EPO so you say it is EPO. That doesn't make it so.

You're so predictable.

Boring.

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Quoted message said:

In Sweden, I think 4 or 5 died in their sleep from EPO. Their blood was
as thick as ketchup, and the heart just couldn't pump it. Horrible deaths,
in the early years of EPO.

There were not 4 or 5 Swedish cyclists dying in their sleep from that.
There were a number of deaths like that among racing cyclists in the
Netherlands.

In any event, dying in your sleep isn't a 'horrible death', just
premature. I always had burning to death at the top of my 'horrible
death' list, but anything that doesn't even wake me up can't be all
that bad.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Kyle Legate said:

MagillaGorilla said:

For all I know they could have died from a myriad of other substances.
You want it to be EPO so you say it is EPO. That doesn't make it so.

You're so predictable.

Boring.

Yeah, your posts are really exciting. I mean just look at it.

Thanks,

Magilla

I heard MTV's Kennedy asked him that very question. Right towards the
end of her career.

MagillaGorilla said:

Callistus Valerius said:

Quoted message said:

If the risk for death were so serious, surely we would have seen some
pro cyclist die from it. We haven't.

Thanks,

Magilla

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In Sweden, I think 4 or 5 died in their sleep from EPO. Their
blood was
as thick as ketchup, and the heart just couldn't pump it. Horrible
deaths,
in the early years of EPO.

I also heard Rod Stewart swallowed a pint of sperm and had to go to the
hospital to get it pumped out of his stomach.

Thanks,

Magilla