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  1. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Harold Groot) said:

    On 11 Sep 2005 23:37:58 -0700, "fatsniper.com" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    What is up with all these corporations blackballing Ephedra? Google,
    eBay, Yahoo, credit card companies?!? IT'S LEGAL!!

    Sorry to break it to you, but no. It was recently banned in the USA.

    And then it was recently un-banned. ;-)
    Keep up with the news!

    AND it was only banned in weight loss mix supplements!
    They never did stop selling mini-thins down at the truck stops.....

    I never saw what all the fuss was about.

    Cheers!
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  2. That's ephedrine in the mini-thins, not ephedra.

    --
    Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    They never did stop selling mini-thins down at the truck stops.....

    I never saw what all the fuss was about.

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    JC Der Koenig said:

    That's ephedrine in the mini-thins, not ephedra.

    Physiologically speaking, there is not one hell of a lot of difference.

    Also, Ephedra alkaloid (herbal) capsules were also still available at
    the truck stops all during the ban.

    So like I said, I never could understand why so many people whined about
    the ban. If they wanted to do EAC, they could still take an asprin and a
    mini-thin with their morning cup of coffee and get the same effects.

    I used to use mini-thins but I stopped. They contributed to anxiety
    attacks.

    Cheers!
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  4. OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Harold Groot) said:

    On 11 Sep 2005 23:37:58 -0700, "fatsniper.com" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    What is up with all these corporations blackballing Ephedra? Google,
    eBay, Yahoo, credit card companies?!? IT'S LEGAL!!

    Sorry to break it to you, but no. It was recently banned in the USA.

    And then it was recently un-banned. ;-)
    Keep up with the news!

    There was a Federal District Court decision that applied to a limited
    number of states and limited dosages. Here's part of the article from
    http://www.herbalgram.org/default.asp?c=FDAephedra

    ======================================================================
    A Utah Federal District Court recently limited the scope of a year old
    Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) Final Rule banning the sale of
    all ephedrine-alkaloid dietary supplements. The Court’s ruling has a
    limited affect on the ability of companies to sell ephedrine
    nationally, but is important regarding FDA procedure for creating
    rules and enforcement powers. Ephedrine alkaloids are found primarily
    in the controversial herb ephedra (Ephedra sincica Stapf.,
    Ephedraceae).

    and

    This ruling has limited effects at the moment since the FDA may appeal
    this decision. Additionally, the ruling has no effect on the laws of
    several states (including California, Illinois and New York) which
    have banned all sales of ephedrine alkaloids in dietary supplements.
    The ruling also only applies to products containing 10 mg or less of
    ephedrine alkaloids per daily dosage. Any product exceeding that
    amount is still banned and will continue to be enforced under the FDA
    rule.

    ========================================================================

    So - even if you live in one of the areas under the jusidiction of
    that Circuit court, from your description of your intended selling
    method is certainly sounds like you intended to market it outside
    those areas. Perhaps you'd like to tell me how you would have
    screened me out as a customer? I live in CA. And by the way - just
    what sort of dosage were you selling?

    Quoted message said:

    AND it was only banned in weight loss mix supplements!

    It was banned in products promoting increased energy as well as weight
    loss.

    Quoted message said:

    They never did stop selling mini-thins down at the truck stops.....

    The fact that some other people choose to break the law does not mean
    that it is right for you to do so. There are a lot of laws where
    enforcement is lax and people choose to ignore those laws. But
    whether or not YOU wish to take that risk, that doesn't mean that you
    get to force OTHERS to take that risk. Your ad campaign would have
    made others into accomplices, so it is quite reasonable that they
    declined to participate.

  5. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried all day and night.

    --
    Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    JC Der Koenig said:

    That's ephedrine in the mini-thins, not ephedra.

    Physiologically speaking, there is not one hell of a lot of difference.

    Also, Ephedra alkaloid (herbal) capsules were also still available at
    the truck stops all during the ban.

    So like I said, I never could understand why so many people whined about
    the ban. If they wanted to do EAC, they could still take an asprin and a
    mini-thin with their morning cup of coffee and get the same effects.

    I used to use mini-thins but I stopped. They contributed to anxiety
    attacks.

    Cheers!
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
    Nicholson

  6. OmManiPadmeOmelet said:
    Quoted message said:

    That's ephedrine in the mini-thins, not ephedra.

    Physiologically speaking, there is not one hell of a lot of difference.

    Physiologically speaking, you have absolutely no idea what's actually
    in any ephedra you buy, because there are no agencies protecting you
    from incorrect assays. You could get a half-dose bottle one time, and
    next time a double-dose bottle, and next thing you know you're in the
    hospital. Herbals also have a lot of other [censored] in them that some
    people might be allergic to.

    Stick with the pharmaceuticals. It's a lot safer.

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    JC Der Koenig said:

    You couldn't be more wrong if you tried all day and night.

    <sigh>

    Have you ever taken these items?
    I have. Both of them at different times.

    Physiologically, they BOTH suppressed my appetite, gave me energy,
    increased my heart rate and made me very nervous.

    That is why I said PHYSIOLOGICALLY!

    Dork.
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  8. Ephedra =\= ephedrine.

    As usual, this is beyond your intellectual grasp.

    --
    Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    JC Der Koenig said:

    You couldn't be more wrong if you tried all day and night.

    <sigh>

    Have you ever taken these items?
    I have. Both of them at different times.

    Physiologically, they BOTH suppressed my appetite, gave me energy,
    increased my heart rate and made me very nervous.

    That is why I said PHYSIOLOGICALLY!

    Dork.
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
    Nicholson

  9. Quoted message said:

    "I used to use mini-thins but I stopped. >They contributed to anxiety


    attacks." Om

    No kidding! the body cant tell the difference between ephedrine,
    ephedra or adrenalin---the "fight or flight" hormone. It's kinda hard to
    feel calm when yer heart is pounding, your respiration is twice what it
    should be and every nerve is ready to fight or run.

    The stuff should be banned.

    Lass

  10. In my pre-low carb days I tried ephedra, ephedrine, and pseudo-ephedrine.

    The subjective effects of ephedra and ephedrine were quite different. Also,
    I lost no weight with ephedra, but quickly lost a few pounds with ephedrine.
    Unfortunately, as soon as I stopped taking the ephedrine my weight went
    right back up to where it had been.

    I had ordered my ephedrine from Canada. The 2nd time I ordered, I got an
    empty box with a nasty note from the Customs Service inside.

    Cubit
    311/152/145

    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    You couldn't be more wrong if you tried all day and night.

    --
    Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    JC Der Koenig said:

    That's ephedrine in the mini-thins, not ephedra.

    Physiologically speaking, there is not one hell of a lot of difference.

    Also, Ephedra alkaloid (herbal) capsules were also still available at
    the truck stops all during the ban.

    So like I said, I never could understand why so many people whined about
    the ban. If they wanted to do EAC, they could still take an asprin and a
    mini-thin with their morning cup of coffee and get the same effects.

    I used to use mini-thins but I stopped. They contributed to anxiety
    attacks.

    Cheers!
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
    Nicholson

  11. Nice and pithy.

    --
    Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    JC Der Koenig said:

    Ephedra =\= ephedrine.

    Chemically, true.

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