Re: Dura Ace vs. Ultegra STI

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I normally find that anyone that is happy with DA has never spent quality
time with a good Campy group. DA is not exactly junk, just hard to deal

with

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when you have had *the best* are are accustomed to it and all of its
benefits.

Dura-Ace is used by Lance Armstrong...would he risk using anything but the
very best ?!

As long as it doesn't actually hurt his performance, he'll use whatever
he's paid to use, just like any sponsored professional athlete. As long
as it doesn't put his bike over its desired weight, and it shifts
cleanly, nothing else really matters.

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"Churchill" wrote...

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Dura-Ace is used by Lance Armstrong...would he risk using anything but the
very best ?!

Campy makes allot of noise due to the bearings ~

Troll.

Jim Flom said:

"Churchill" wrote...

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Dura-Ace is used by Lance Armstrong...would he risk using anything
but the very best ?!

Campy makes allot of noise due to the bearings ~

Troll.

You're giving him WAY too much credit.

Bill "allot (sic), even" S.

Churchill said:

"Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I normally find that anyone that is happy with DA has never spent
quality time with a good Campy group. DA is not exactly junk, just
hard to deal with when you have had *the best* are are accustomed to
it and all of its benefits.

Dura-Ace is used by Lance Armstrong...would he risk using anything
but the very best ?!

That's a ridiculous statement, and you know it. Him and the team are paid
to ride Shimano, nothing more, nothing less. Obviously, it works well
enough to win 5 TdF's (and possible 6 or 7 even), but it has nothing to do
with his personal preference. Of course, Lance and the Blue Train boys
don't use the same DA group you buy off the shelf. They get the 'special'
stuff made just for him/them.

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Campy makes allot of noise due to the bearings ~

Also completely ridiculous. You've obviously never had a Campy bike (or you
had one and you were incapable of working on it yourself, so it wasn't setup
properly), or you would know this just isn't true in the least. Campy's
bearings are the best in the business.

Regards,
H.

HardwareLust said:

Churchill said:

"Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I normally find that anyone that is happy with DA has never spent
quality time with a good Campy group. DA is not exactly junk, just
hard to deal with when you have had *the best* are are accustomed to
it and all of its benefits.

Dura-Ace is used by Lance Armstrong...would he risk using anything
but the very best ?!

That's a ridiculous statement, and you know it. Him and the team are
paid
to ride Shimano, nothing more, nothing less. Obviously, it works well
enough to win 5 TdF's (and possible 6 or 7 even), but it has nothing to
do
with his personal preference. Of course, Lance and the Blue Train boys
don't use the same DA group you buy off the shelf. They get the
'special'
stuff made just for him/them.

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Campy makes allot of noise due to the bearings ~

Also completely ridiculous. You've obviously never had a Campy bike (or
you
had one and you were incapable of working on it yourself, so it wasn't
setup
properly), or you would know this just isn't true in the least. Campy's
bearings are the best in the business.

Regards,
H.

Yeah, try Hugi rims sometime. Talk about noise! (Although mine have been
great.)

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"Bob in CT" wrote...

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Yeah, try Hugi rims sometime. Talk about noise! (Although mine have been
great.)

Kill it, kill it, kill it.

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:41:30 GMT, "HardwareLust" <[email hidden]>

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but it has nothing to do
with his personal preference.

How do you know that?

JT

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Churchill said:

"Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I normally find that anyone that is happy with DA has never spent
quality time with a good Campy group. DA is not exactly junk, just
hard to deal with when you have had *the best* are are accustomed to
it and all of its benefits.

Dura-Ace is used by Lance Armstrong...would he risk using anything
but the very best ?!

That's a ridiculous statement, and you know it. Him and the team are paid
to ride Shimano, nothing more, nothing less. Obviously, it works well
enough to win 5 TdF's (and possible 6 or 7 even), but it has nothing to do
with his personal preference. Of course, Lance and the Blue Train boys
don't use the same DA group you buy off the shelf. They get the 'special'
stuff made just for him/them.

Quoted message said:

Campy makes allot of noise due to the bearings ~

Also completely ridiculous. You've obviously never had a Campy bike (or

you

Quoted message said:

had one and you were incapable of working on it yourself, so it wasn't

setup

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properly), or you would know this just isn't true in the least. Campy's
bearings are the best in the business.

Regards,
H.

Yeah, I just sold a nice GIOS with 9spd Daytona on it. It was a stealth
bike. No noise period.

I bought a CX bike last year on a whim and it has slowly taken over position
as my main ride. It has XTR except hubs (Hugi) and shifters which are
Ultegra. It is teh off road capability I love, not the parts.

This combination is as dialed in as it will ever be (I wrenched in a shop
for two years) and it still doesn't come close to the solid crisp shifts of
the Campy stuff. The Shimano action is too light. I find it easy to
over-shift (up the cogs) and the down shifts are spongy (down).

I was hoping that a DA shifter upgrade would help.

Maybe I will get a 2005 compact Campy group instead.

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HardwareLust said:

Churchill said:

"Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I normally find that anyone that is happy with DA has never spent
> quality time with a good Campy group. DA is not exactly junk, just
> hard to deal with when you have had *the best* are are accustomed to
> it and all of its benefits.

Dura-Ace is used by Lance Armstrong...would he risk using anything
but the very best ?!

That's a ridiculous statement, and you know it. Him and the team are
paid
to ride Shimano, nothing more, nothing less. Obviously, it works well
enough to win 5 TdF's (and possible 6 or 7 even), but it has nothing to
do
with his personal preference. Of course, Lance and the Blue Train boys
don't use the same DA group you buy off the shelf. They get the
'special'
stuff made just for him/them.

Quoted message said:

Campy makes allot of noise due to the bearings ~

Also completely ridiculous. You've obviously never had a Campy bike (or
you
had one and you were incapable of working on it yourself, so it wasn't
setup
properly), or you would know this just isn't true in the least. Campy's
bearings are the best in the business.

Regards,
H.

Yeah, try Hugi rims sometime. Talk about noise! (Although mine have been
great.)

Hah! I was just thinking about how loud the S-Works/Hugi rear hub was today!
Very loud!

Seems to be well built though.

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Jim Flom said:

"Churchill" wrote...

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Dura-Ace is used by Lance Armstrong...would he risk using anything
but the very best ?!

Campy makes allot of noise due to the bearings ~

Troll.

You're giving him WAY too much credit.

Bill "allot (sic), even" S.

Maybe he meant "all out"...

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Howard

So far, so good, so what?

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

churchill-<< Dura-Ace is used by Lance Armstrong...would he risk using anything
but the
very best ?! >><BR><BR>

If shimano paid me the 6 figure income to ride their stuff, I would too(naww,
no I wouldn't)

He gets paid $100,000+ to use shimano-not the team, him.

Churchill<< Campy makes allot of noise due to the bearings >><BR><BR>

Those pesky bearings!! This makes no sense\.

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Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

If shimano paid me the 6 figure income to ride their stuff, I would too(naww,
no I wouldn't)

He gets paid $100,000+ to use shimano-not the team, him.

No argument, although I haven't verified your figure. But if he WANTED
to ride Campy, he could certainly arrange for a switch in sponsorship,
no? Campagnolo would probably pay pretty close to the same figure if
Lance asked them to. Hell, Lance could probably buy six dozen complete
Record gruppos for the whole team and not even have a component sponsor
if he didn't like Shimano.

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Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

If shimano paid me the 6 figure income to ride their stuff, I would

too(naww,

Quoted message said:

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no I wouldn't)

He gets paid $100,000+ to use shimano-not the team, him.

No argument, although I haven't verified your figure. But if he WANTED
to ride Campy, he could certainly arrange for a switch in sponsorship,
no? Campagnolo would probably pay pretty close to the same figure if
Lance asked them to. Hell, Lance could probably buy six dozen complete
Record gruppos for the whole team and not even have a component sponsor
if he didn't like Shimano.

You got it !

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Quoted message said:

Churchill said:

"Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I normally find that anyone that is happy with DA has never spent
quality time with a good Campy group. DA is not exactly junk, just
hard to deal with when you have had *the best* are are accustomed to
it and all of its benefits.

Dura-Ace is used by Lance Armstrong...would he risk using anything
but the very best ?!

That's a ridiculous statement, and you know it. Him and the team are paid
to ride Shimano, nothing more, nothing less. Obviously, it works well
enough to win 5 TdF's (and possible 6 or 7 even), but it has nothing to do
with his personal preference. Of course, Lance and the Blue Train boys
don't use the same DA group you buy off the shelf. They get the 'special'
stuff made just for him/them.

Quoted message said:

Campy makes allot of noise due to the bearings ~

Also completely ridiculous. You've obviously never had a Campy bike (or you
had one and you were incapable of working on it yourself, so it wasn't setup
properly), or you would know this just isn't true in the least. Campy's
bearings are the best in the business.

Regards,
H.

What is rediculous is some peoples blind allegiance to campy. I'm a
big fan of campy stuff for their history & contribution to the sport
but shamano is good also. In fact i think that the new d/a is the best
out there. Don't forget Campy has produced their share of junk
products over the years.

On 14 Jul 2004 10:27:03 -0700, [email hidden] (Evan Evans)

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What is rediculous is some peoples blind allegiance to campy. I'm a
big fan of campy stuff for their history & contribution to the sport
but shamano is good also. In fact i think that the new d/a is the best
out there. Don't forget Campy has produced their share of junk
products over the years.

It's always bugged me that nobody seems to want to say CAMPAGNOLO,
opting instead for "campy". It's awful-sounding, vaguely derisive, and
cements in my mind the stereotype of the Ugly American utterly
unwilling to learn even a single word of a language that isn't his
own. Besides, I've never heard anyone say "Shimmy" for SHIMANO.

I've always preferred the British abbreviation, "Campag," which
besides being a staightforward truncation of the name, sounds better
to my ear.

Either one sounds horribly pretentious though.

-Luigi

Luigi de Guzman said:

On 14 Jul 2004 10:27:03 -0700, [email hidden] (Evan Evans)

Quoted message said:

What is rediculous is some peoples blind allegiance to campy. I'm a
big fan of campy stuff for their history & contribution to the sport
but shamano is good also. In fact i think that the new d/a is the best
out there. Don't forget Campy has produced their share of junk
products over the years.

It's always bugged me that nobody seems to want to say CAMPAGNOLO,
opting instead for "campy". It's awful-sounding, vaguely derisive, and
cements in my mind the stereotype of the Ugly American utterly
unwilling to learn even a single word of a language that isn't his
own. Besides, I've never heard anyone say "Shimmy" for SHIMANO.

I've always preferred the British abbreviation, "Campag," which
besides being a staightforward truncation of the name, sounds better
to my ear.

Either one sounds horribly pretentious though.

-Luigi

Dear Luigi,

Shimano enthusiasts are rumoured to have a theory that
explains why Campagnolo aficionados refer to their beloved
machinery in a way that "sounds horribly pretentious."

Shimano enthusiasts are also said to believe that "Campy" is
not just a truncation, but a cruel pun.

Etymologically,

Carl Fogel

Luigi de Guzman said:

On 14 Jul 2004 10:27:03 -0700, [email hidden] (Evan Evans)

Quoted message said:

What is rediculous is some peoples blind allegiance to campy. I'm a
big fan of campy stuff for their history & contribution to the sport
but shamano is good also. In fact i think that the new d/a is the best
out there. Don't forget Campy has produced their share of junk
products over the years.

It's always bugged me that nobody seems to want to say CAMPAGNOLO,
opting instead for "campy". It's awful-sounding, vaguely derisive, and
cements in my mind the stereotype of the Ugly American utterly
unwilling to learn even a single word of a language that isn't his
own. Besides, I've never heard anyone say "Shimmy" for SHIMANO.

I've always preferred the British abbreviation, "Campag," which
besides being a staightforward truncation of the name, sounds better
to my ear.

Either one sounds horribly pretentious though.

-Luigi

That doesn't bug me at all. What gets me is when people write "grouppo"

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Luigi de Guzman said:

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It's always bugged me that nobody seems to want to say CAMPAGNOLO,
opting instead for "campy". It's awful-sounding, vaguely derisive, and=

Quoted message said:

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cements in my mind the stereotype of the Ugly American utterly
unwilling to learn even a single word of a language that isn't his
own. Besides, I've never heard anyone say "Shimmy" for SHIMANO.

Ooooh, it always bugs me when people misuse the term "Ugly American."

If you had actually read the book, you'd know that the "Ugly American"=20
was the _good guy_, the Peace-Corps type who figured out how to make an=20
irrigation pump out of bicycle parts.

The locals called him "ugly" affectionately because he was not good=20
looking, even though he was good-hearted and benificent, a noble=20
American hero, sort of a Benjamin Linder precursor. (If you're an=20
American and don't know who Benjamin Linder was, shame on you!)

Quoted message said:

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I've always preferred the British abbreviation, "Campag," which
besides being a staightforward truncation of the name, sounds better
to my ear.

I prefer that too, though it isn't a "straightforward truncation" of a=20
proper pronunciation of Campagnolo. There is no hard "g" in Campagnolo.

Diablo Scott said:

That doesn't bug me at all. What gets me is when people write "grouppo=

"

How about "tubies" for tubulars? Yuck! Brake arch! Crank arm! Wheel =

set!

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Luigi de Guzman wrote:

Diablo Scott said:

That doesn't bug me at all. What gets me is when people write "grouppo"

How about "tubies" for tubulars? Yuck! Brake arch! Crank arm! Wheel
set!

Sheldon "Fulminating" Brown
Sheldon "Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité" Brown

Brifter. I hate brifter. The only thing worse is the pretentiously
continental "brifteur".

Regards,

Tom