Re: Dumbass Fatties

Michael Press said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

RonSonic said:

Look, you can make fun of people who decide after years of inactivity that they
need to get off their asses and work out. You'd be a very small man for doing
so. You can make fun of them for renting a video instead of buying a bike, not
exactly helpful either. Actually, it's a free country and you can single out any
bunch of people for scorn and ridicule. Myself, I think intrusive, overbearing,
self annointed experts who want more regulation of our activities and lives are
a much better target. The fat ass who sprains an ankle tripping over the coffee
table, is just another schmoe like the rest of us, only with a different set of
problems. The arrogant twit who frets on behalf of his lessers that "'With some
of the exercise there is a risk of hitting someone else, or a wall, with
outstretched arms or legs" has written his own punchline.

Well said.

--
Michael Press

From:
http://tinyurl.com/c4zcf

MJA Practice Essentials - Sports Medicine

3. Is exercise good for you?

Peter D Brukner and Wendy J Brown
MJA 2005; 183 (10): 538-541

When injury and serious cardiovascular events do occur, they are
usually associated with pre-existing problems or with unaccustomed
activity for which people are inadequately prepared or trained.

There is plenty of concern, from serious health professionals, out
there about people going off half-cocked on an exercise program and the
stats to indicate that there is significant initial risk. I also didn't
bother to dig it up but I remember seeing studies showing that people
who try to get into shape and are injured, or overdo it initially have
a much higher rate of failure to continue to exercise.
Now you seem to me to be arguing that there should be NO comment,
criticism, or study of these exercise programs, so it's obvious to me
that you don't care at all about giving people the information to make
a safe and informed choice.
My argument is/was/and always has been that people who mangae to
injure themselves through their own stupidity deserve what they get.
When the redneck yells "Hey Y'all watch this!" and dives into the
swimming hole without looking first and knocks himself out on the 1958
Buick that his buddy drove into it last night while drunk. He deserves
exactly what he got.
If he'd taken 2 seconds to actually look, or a people took a couple of
minutes to check if the program was designed by someone competent then
they'd have better long term results and less injuries.
I do not believe that Dr. Laura, or Phil is competent to run my life
over the airwaves, and feels really sorry for people who take what they
say and modify their lives around it.
Are ignorance and stupidity disabilities beyond people's control? If
they are then I was making fun of people's disabilites I guess, and IMO
the world has a lot less hope in it today than I thought it did.
Bill C

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Bill C said:

Michael Press said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

RonSonic said:

Look, you can make fun of people who decide after years of inactivity that they
need to get off their asses and work out. You'd be a very small man for doing
so. You can make fun of them for renting a video instead of buying a bike, not
exactly helpful either. Actually, it's a free country and you can single out any
bunch of people for scorn and ridicule. Myself, I think intrusive, overbearing,
self annointed experts who want more regulation of our activities and lives are
a much better target. The fat ass who sprains an ankle tripping over the coffee
table, is just another schmoe like the rest of us, only with a different set of
problems. The arrogant twit who frets on behalf of his lessers that "'With some
of the exercise there is a risk of hitting someone else, or a wall, with
outstretched arms or legs" has written his own punchline.

Well said.

--
Michael Press

From:
http://tinyurl.com/c4zcf

MJA Practice Essentials - Sports Medicine

3. Is exercise good for you?

Peter D Brukner and Wendy J Brown
MJA 2005; 183 (10): 538-541

When injury and serious cardiovascular events do occur, they are
usually associated with pre-existing problems or with unaccustomed
activity for which people are inadequately prepared or trained.

There is plenty of concern, from serious health professionals, out
there about people going off half-cocked on an exercise program and the
stats to indicate that there is significant initial risk. I also didn't
bother to dig it up but I remember seeing studies showing that people
who try to get into shape and are injured, or overdo it initially have
a much higher rate of failure to continue to exercise.
Now you seem to me to be arguing that there should be NO comment,
criticism, or study of these exercise programs, so it's obvious to me
that you don't care at all about giving people the information to make
a safe and informed choice.
My argument is/was/and always has been that people who mangae to
injure themselves through their own stupidity deserve what they get.
When the redneck yells "Hey Y'all watch this!" and dives into the
swimming hole without looking first and knocks himself out on the 1958
Buick that his buddy drove into it last night while drunk. He deserves
exactly what he got.
If he'd taken 2 seconds to actually look, or a people took a couple of
minutes to check if the program was designed by someone competent then
they'd have better long term results and less injuries.
I do not believe that Dr. Laura, or Phil is competent to run my life
over the airwaves, and feels really sorry for people who take what they
say and modify their lives around it.
Are ignorance and stupidity disabilities beyond people's control? If
they are then I was making fun of people's disabilites I guess, and IMO
the world has a lot less hope in it today than I thought it did.

Remember that the physically frail schmoe who hurt himself
with an exercise video is the one who compromised his
health in the first place. These particular do-gooders
would do well to examine their own frailties, then address
the problem closer to its origin.

The public school system in my youth was in a blue collar
town. They supplied these, obviously expensive, books on
health, hygiene, and detailed description of human
physiology, and organ systems, complete with multilayer
transparent overlay color prints of anatomy. I would read
these marvelous books.

--
Michael Press

Michael Press said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Bill C said:

Michael Press said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
RonSonic <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Look, you can make fun of people who decide after years of inactivity that they
> need to get off their asses and work out. You'd be a very small man for doing
> so. You can make fun of them for renting a video instead of buying a bike, not
> exactly helpful either. Actually, it's a free country and you can single out any
> bunch of people for scorn and ridicule. Myself, I think intrusive, overbearing,
> self annointed experts who want more regulation of our activities and lives are
> a much better target. The fat ass who sprains an ankle tripping over the coffee
> table, is just another schmoe like the rest of us, only with a different set of
> problems. The arrogant twit who frets on behalf of his lessers that "'With some
> of the exercise there is a risk of hitting someone else, or a wall, with
> outstretched arms or legs" has written his own punchline.

Well said.

--
Michael Press

From:
http://tinyurl.com/c4zcf

MJA Practice Essentials - Sports Medicine

3. Is exercise good for you?

Peter D Brukner and Wendy J Brown
MJA 2005; 183 (10): 538-541

When injury and serious cardiovascular events do occur, they are
usually associated with pre-existing problems or with unaccustomed
activity for which people are inadequately prepared or trained.

There is plenty of concern, from serious health professionals, out
there about people going off half-cocked on an exercise program and the
stats to indicate that there is significant initial risk. I also didn't
bother to dig it up but I remember seeing studies showing that people
who try to get into shape and are injured, or overdo it initially have
a much higher rate of failure to continue to exercise.
Now you seem to me to be arguing that there should be NO comment,
criticism, or study of these exercise programs, so it's obvious to me
that you don't care at all about giving people the information to make
a safe and informed choice.
My argument is/was/and always has been that people who mangae to
injure themselves through their own stupidity deserve what they get.
When the redneck yells "Hey Y'all watch this!" and dives into the
swimming hole without looking first and knocks himself out on the 1958
Buick that his buddy drove into it last night while drunk. He deserves
exactly what he got.
If he'd taken 2 seconds to actually look, or a people took a couple of
minutes to check if the program was designed by someone competent then
they'd have better long term results and less injuries.
I do not believe that Dr. Laura, or Phil is competent to run my life
over the airwaves, and feels really sorry for people who take what they
say and modify their lives around it.
Are ignorance and stupidity disabilities beyond people's control? If
they are then I was making fun of people's disabilites I guess, and IMO
the world has a lot less hope in it today than I thought it did.

Remember that the physically frail schmoe who hurt himself
with an exercise video is the one who compromised his
health in the first place. These particular do-gooders
would do well to examine their own frailties, then address
the problem closer to its origin.

The public school system in my youth was in a blue collar
town. They supplied these, obviously expensive, books on
health, hygiene, and detailed description of human
physiology, and organ systems, complete with multilayer
transparent overlay color prints of anatomy. I would read
these marvelous books.

--
Michael Press

It just amazes me that one of the very first things cut is usually the
Phys. Ed. program in schools. With obesity becoming, if it hasn't
already, epidemic especially among young children you'd think that
prevention and education would be a big part of a cost effective
curriculum, but unfortunately it doesn't seem to work that way.
I think some of the main reasons are that "gym" hasn't been considered
a serious subject in the past, and when it was being taught as a
"second hat" by other teachers rather than a credentialed instructor it
was easy to see it that way. Another factor is the "politics" of
dealing with overweight parents and students. Unfortunately for some
people even pointing out that an 8 year old who weighs 150lbs isn't
healthy is considered to be discrimination and is met by outrage. The
discussions here provide a perfect example of the same people who would
go charging off to the schools with a lawyer to protest even discussing
that obesity might be unhealthy. They would rather see kids die than
have the issue discussed rationally as a health problem such as
smoking. All the studies that I've seen show that the great majority of
obesity is due to cultural and personal choices, and very little is
actually due to medical conditions so I don't see any reason that we
should avoid the subject based on risking offending people.
The greater good over the long haul would seem to indicate to me that
we need to address this early and often, but unfortunately that doesn't
seem to be possible due to the perpetually offended. They sem to be the
ones who always cry about everyone else doing things to them and never
being willing to take personal responsibility in any way, shape, or
form for what happens to them. If my insurance company tacked on an
extra premium due to the costs realted to obesity for those most at
risk I would live with it because it's appropriate to my situation as
long as their was a waiver for people with physical, or mental causes
of the obesity that were beyond their control. It would be just like
auto insurance where bad drivers pay more. It sucks but you earned it.
Do people a favor and be honest, but polite with them. They'll
probably hate you for it.
Bill C

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Bill C said:

Do people a favor and be honest, but polite with them. They'll
probably hate you for it.

No good deed goes unpunished.
--Clare Booth Luce

--
Michael Press

In article <[email hidden]>,

Michael Press said:

Remember that the physically frail schmoe who hurt himself
with an exercise video is the one who compromised his
health in the first place. These particular do-gooders
would do well to examine their own frailties, then address
the problem closer to its origin.

To a certain degree, I would agree with that sentiment. But one thing one
must remember is that most of those schmoes decide they need to do some work to
shape up, and proceed to think of themselves as they were when they were in
their teens. A time when it's easy to do new and serious physical things. With
age, the body isn't nearly so resilient, and when pushed even slightly hard
after long periods of being inert, can't take the work. "Oh, my back, my back,
my back, etc."

--
tanx,
Howard

The poodle bites, the poodle chews it.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Bill C said:

It just amazes me that one of the very first things cut is usually the
Phys. Ed. program in schools. With obesity becoming, if it hasn't
already, epidemic especially among young children you'd think that
prevention and education would be a big part of a cost effective
curriculum, but unfortunately it doesn't seem to work that way.....

the original article is a stupid scare piece on celebrity fitness
tapes, but if you read the article the supposedly "serious injuries" it
talks about are muscle strains and dizziness.

i'm not really sure what goes through your head. you've posted many
times on rbr about your own serious injuries from exercising when you
supposedly know what you're doing.

i like laughing at the fatties that blow out their knees playing touch
football on thanksgiving too, but are you just inviting people to pick
on you ?