Re: Drug Enforcement Agency: Methylphenidate (Ritalin)

(Jan) said:

HEY GANG!!

THIS IS NOW GETTING PERSONAL!!!

STOP IT PLEASE.

STICK WITH THE SUBJECT.

Jan

Says someone who has tried to make the topic me, Mark Probert and Ben
Kolb, to name just three, in the last few days.

In fact, the person who uses expressions like "Your child takes
Ritalin" as a term of abuse ...

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Drug Enforcement Agency: Methylphenidate (Ritalin)
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 9/19/2003 4:12 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

(Jan) said:

HEY GANG!!

THIS IS NOW GETTING PERSONAL!!!

STOP IT PLEASE.

STICK WITH THE SUBJECT.

Jan

Says someone who has tried to make the topic me, Mark Probert and Ben
Kolb, to name just three, in the last few days.

I repeat:

Stick to the subject.

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In fact, the person who uses expressions like "Your child takes
Ritalin" as a term of abuse ...

Well, no I have never said that, but yes, it is a source of abuse.

The drug such have never been on the market.

Like I posted.

Good Grief, we even have Ritalin Addiction Rehab Centers. If that doesn't tell
you something, you are hopleless.

Jan

http://www.drug-rehabs.org/faqs/FAQ-ritalin.php

Ritalin Addiction

Ritalin addiction is a very serious and sometimes life threatening dilemma. Not
only is it difficult for the addict, it is extremely hard on those around them
who care about them. For the addict, admitting they have an addiction problem
can be difficult. However painful this may be, it must be acknowledged as the
first gradient to overcoming the problem. The next hurdle is being willing to
seek & accept help from an addiction professional. It can be hard for an addict
to confront the fact that they can not do it alone. Once this fact is accepted,
it is time to seek the appropriate professional treatment. Drug rehab programs
based on the social education modality are highly successful. This means that
individuals who are recovering from Ritalin addiction are not made wrong for
their past indiscretions, but are taught how to avoid future ones. They are
provided with knowledge on how to change their lives and how to live
comfortably without Ritalin. Receiving treatment for addiction should be done
in a safe & stable environment that is conducive to addiction recovery.
Research studies show that residential treatment programs of at least 3 months
in duration have the best success rates. 3 months may seem like a long time,
but one day in the life of an individual addicted to Ritalin can feel like an
eternity. Addiction is a self imposed hellish slavery. The chains can be broken
people do it everyday. You can be free!

Drug rehabilitation is a multi-phase, multi-faceted, long term process.
Detoxification is only the first step on the road of addiction treatment.
Physical detoxification alone is not sufficient to change the patterns of a
drug addict. Recovery from addiction involves an extended process which usually
requires the help of drug addiction professionals. To make a successful
recovery, the addict needs new tools in order to deal with situations and
problems which arise. Factors such as encountering someone from their days of
using, returning to the same environment and places, or even small things such
as smells and objects trigger memories which can create psychological stress.
This can hinder the addict's goal of complete recovery, thus not allowing the
addict to permanently regain control of his or her life.

Almost all addicts tell themselves in the beginning that they can conquer their
addiction on their own without the help of outside resources. Unfortunately,
this is not usually the case. When an addict makes an attempt at detoxification
and to discontinue drug use without the aid of professional help, statistically
the results do not last long. Research into the effects of long-term addiction
has shown that substantial changes in the way the brain functions are present
long after the addict has stopped using drugs. Realizing that a drug addict who
wishes to recover from their addiction needs more than just strong will power
is the key to a successful recovery. Battling not only cravings for their drug
of choice, re-stimulation of their past and changes in the way their brain
functions, it is no wonder that quitting drugs without professional help is an
uphill battle.

As an organization we are dedicated to finding the correct solution for your
specific addiction problem. Our referral list contains over 3,000 resources
which encompass the following treatment categories :

Ritalin Detox Center
Ritalin Rehab
Ritalin Treatment
Ritalin Addiction Treatment
Ritalin Addiction Counseling
Meetings
Ritalin In-Patient Treatment
Ritalin Out-Patient Treatment

In 1990, 900,000 American kids were on Ritalin. Today some estimate the total
number of children on Ritalin has increased to 4 - 5 million or more per year
America now uses 90% of the world's Ritalin - more than five times the rest of
the world combined.
Emergency room visits by children ages 10-14 involving Ritalin intoxication
have now reached the same level as those for cocaine which indicates escalating
abuse of this highly addictive drug.
80% of children on Ritalin are boys. Q) What is Ritalin?

A) Ritalin (methylphenidate) is a central nervous system stimulant, similar to
amphetamines in the nature and duration of its effects. It is believed that it
works by activating the brain stem arousal system and cortex.
Pharmacologically, it works on the neurotransmitter dopamine, and in that
respect resembles the stimulant characteristics of cocaine. When taken in
accordance with usual prescription instructions, it would be classified as
having mild to moderate stimulant properties, but when snorted or injected it
has a strong stimulant effect. Ritalin is manufactured by CIBA-Geigy
Corporation, and is supplied in 5 mg., 10 mg., and 20 mg. tablets, and in a
sustained release form, Ritalin SR as 20 mg. tablets. It is readily water
soluble and is intended for oral use. It is a Schedule II Controlled Substance
under both the federal and Indiana Controlled Substances Acts. Since Ritalin is
a Schedule II Controlled Substance, the federal government strictly regulates
the amount that may be manufactured, through a system of rigid manufacturing
quotas.

Q) How is Ritalin used?

A) When abused, Ritalin tablets are taken orally, crushed and then snorted, or
dissolved in water and "cooked" for intravenous injection.
There are numerous reports in medical journals about permanent and irreversible
lung tissue damage related to injection of crushed Ritalin tablets.

In order to make the 5- to 20 mg. dose tablets large enough to handle easily,
at least 100 mg. of "inert ingredients" are added to the tablets to increase
their size. Depending upon size and formulation, the following inert
ingredients are found in Ritalin tablets, according to the manufacturer:
lactose, starch, polyethelene glycol, magnesium stearate, sucrose, talc,
cellulose, mineral oil, and various dyes and conditioning agents. While these
ingredients are "inert" when taken by mouth, they can cause serious problems
when injected or snorted.

Health Consequences of Intravenous and/or Injection Drug Use
The hypodermic syringe was designed to deliver a concentrated dose of a drug
quickly and efficiently. In doing so, it bypasses many of the body's natural
defense mechanisms such as the skin, respiratory cilia, digestive acids, etc.
The syringe allows anything in it (drugs, dust, bacteria, pollen, allergens,
yeasts, viruses, fillers, etc.) to pass directly into the blood and body
tissues. The rapid delivery of drugs via injection makes it difficult for the
user to control the intensity of the drug effect, thus making toxic overdoses
more likely.
When drugs are prepared for injection by a street user, dust, dirt, and other
contaminants fall into the liquid. Bacteria, talc, lint, and other particles
are injected along with the drug. The "inert ingredients" that manufacturers
include to increase the bulk may be harmless when taken by mouth, but talc,
cellulose, mineral oil, and sugars (among other fillers) can create serious
problems when injected directly into veins or body tissues. Complications from
injection drug use include:
drug overdoses and toxic overdose reactions
blood clots from scar tissue, particles in the liquid, cotton and lint fibers,
etc.
infections ("blood poisoning," abscesses, hepatitis, AIDS, etc.)
scars ("tracks" and adhesions)
pulmonary problems ("addict's lung," embolisms, etc.)
skin and circulatory problems

Health consequences of Snorting Drugs (Intranasal Insufflation)
The delicate epithelial tissues that line the nasal cavities and air passages
may be damaged by direct contact with drugs. Ritalin tablets contain the
hydrochloride salt of methylphenidate and yield dilute hydrochloric acid when
they come into contact with moisture. While this is not a problem in the
stomach (hydrochloric acid is one of the digestive acids used in the stomach),
in the nasal passages the acid can "burn" the delicate nasal tissues, resulting
in open sores, nose bleeds, and possibly in deterioration of the nasal
cartilage. Q) What are the side effects of Ritalin?

A) The side effects of Ritalin addiction include but are not limited to:

drug addiction
nervousness and insomnia
loss of appetite
nausea and vomiting
dizziness
headaches
changes in heart rate and blood pressure (usually elevation of both, but
occasionally depression)
skin rashes and itching
abdominal pain
weight loss
digestive problems
toxic psychosis
psychotic episodes
severe depression upon withdrawal High doses of stimulants produce a
predictable set of symptoms that include:

loss of appetite (may cause serious malnutrition)
tremors and muscle twitching
fevers, convulsions, and headaches (may be severe)
irregular heartbeat and respiration (may be profound and life threatening)
anxiety, restlessness
paranoia, hallucinations, and delusions
excessive repetition of movements and meaningless tasks
formicaton (sensation of bugs or worms crawling under the skin) While death due
to non-medical use of Ritalin is not common, it has been known to occur.

Q) What are the symptoms of Ritalin overdose?

A) Symptoms of Ritalin overdose may include: Agitation, confusion, convulsions
(may be followed by coma), delirium, dryness of mucous membranes, enlarging of
the pupil of the eye, exaggerated feeling of elation, extremely elevated body
temperature, flushing, hallucinations, headache, high blood pressure, irregular
or rapid heartbeat, muscle twitching, sweating, tremors, vomiting.

A growing number of youngsters taking the drug Ritalin® (methylphenidate)
experience overdose, researchers report. The study looked at the frequency of
Ritalin overdose cases reported to a regional poison control center in Detroit.
Children ages 6 to 9 years were at the greatest risk of overdose, compared with
other age groups. Over a two-year period, 289 cases were reported. Of these,
31% developed symptoms. Most common adverse effects included tachycardia,
agitation and lethargy. Most cases were due to parents or caregivers
unintentionally giving patients excessive amounts of the drug.

(Jan) said:

HEY GANG!!

THIS IS NOW GETTING PERSONAL!!!

STOP IT PLEASE.

STICK WITH THE SUBJECT.

Jan

What is more personal than getting killed ?

The "advice" which Jan Drew gives, can kill you or your children.

Jan Drew is a naturopath mafia advertizing agency.

Regards,

Aribert Deckers
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http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amapolis.htm

In said:

http://www.drug-rehabs.org/faqs/FAQ-ritalin.php

Ritalin Addiction

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In <[email hidden]>, Jan wrote:

# No need to say the same things over and over.

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(Jan) said:

Good Grief, we even have Ritalin Addiction Rehab Centers. If that doesn't tell
you something, you are hopleless.

Yes, it can be addicting ... so can alcohol, nicotine, morphine,
other opiates, barbiturates, valium, thebane and even
theobromine. You want we should ban all pain killers,
tranquilizres, muscle relaxants, ciggys, booze and chocolates?

When prescribed for a truly ADD person, it's not addictive. It
makes them able to concentrate.

Tsu Dho Nimh

--
When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like
politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
your kid and run for your life.

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Subject: Re: Drug Enforcement Agency: Methylphenidate (Ritalin)
From: Tsu Dho Nimh [email hidden]
Date: 9/20/2003 5:30 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

(Jan) said:

Good Grief, we even have Ritalin Addiction Rehab Centers. If that doesn't

tell

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you something, you are hopleless.

Yes, it can be addicting ... so can alcohol, nicotine, morphine,
other opiates, barbiturates, valium, thebane and even
theobromine.

So would you give any of the above list to a three year old child??

You want we should ban all pain killers,

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tranquilizres, muscle relaxants, ciggys, booze and chocolates?

No, diversion. We are talking about kids.

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When prescribed for a truly ADD person, it's not addictive.

We already know we have an abuse problem. So saying when is unrealistic.

Coffee is a stimulant. And look how many are addicted.

Stimulants can be psychologically addictive.

Tthe use of these drugs does appear to produce long-term changes in the brain.

Ritalin is a drug. It is classified (FDA) in the same group of hazardous
addictive drugs as cocaine, methadone and barbiturates. Its function is to dull
and limit mental activity and capacity. It does to school children what other
psychiatric drugs do to mental patients, enabling them to be warehoused with
the least inconvenience to the staff.
And this drugging is often done without informing the children or their parents
of the potential side effects, that include sudden outbursts of violence.

Despite what schools and some psychiatrists say, ADD is not a disease, its
symptoms are not even a sign that anything is wrong, and Ritalin is not a cure
for anything. While schools refer to Ritalin as a "treatment," its effect is
that of a punishment. In her book, And They Call It Help, Louise Armstrong
calls ithe use of Ritalin, "the psychiatric policing of children. Ritalin is
used to manage children, to control their mental activity and thus, their
behavior. It has nothing to do with education in the usually accepted sense."

Thousands of school children are suffering from being improperly drugged and/or
being placed in LD classes. The labeling of children at an early age becomes a
self-fulfilling prophecy -- the children learn to see themselves as defective
and/or disabled in some way, and act out the part. Children don't need to be
forced to sit still in boring classes and they don't need to experience misery
as a preparation for adult life. More and more child development experts agree
today, simply, that they need to go outside and play. Childhood is not a
disease, and youthful energy does not need a "treatment."

Jan

(Jan) said:

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Yes, it can be addicting ... so can alcohol, nicotine, morphine,
other opiates, barbiturates, valium, thebane and even
theobromine.

So would you give any of the above list to a three year old child??

Yes. Theobromine is the addictive constituent of CHOCOLATE.
Giving pain killers to kids with lacerations, burns, and broken
bones is common. Tranquilizers and muscle relaxants are used for
kids who are too agitated to treat, or those who have muscle
spasms. Thebane is a strong anti-cough opiate, and codeine is
another strong anti-cough substance ... these ALL have legitimate
medical uses.

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When prescribed for a truly ADD person, it's not addictive.

We already know we have an abuse problem. So saying when is unrealistic.

The abuse problem is NOT in the ADD kids ... it's in the non ADD
kids looking for something to relieve their stultifying
existence.

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Tthe use of these drugs does appear to produce long-term changes in the brain.
Ritalin is a drug. It is classified (FDA) in the same group of hazardous
addictive drugs as cocaine, methadone and barbiturates. Its function is to dull
and limit mental activity and capacity.

No - it makes a TRUE ADD child capable of concentrating on what
they want to concentrate on.

Tsu Dho Nimh

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politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Drug Enforcement Agency: Methylphenidate (Ritalin)
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 9/19/2003 4:12 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

(Jan) said:

HEY GANG!!

THIS IS NOW GETTING PERSONAL!!!

STOP IT PLEASE.

STICK WITH THE SUBJECT.

Jan

Says someone who has tried to make the topic me, Mark Probert and Ben
Kolb, to name just three, in the last few days.

I repeat:

Stick to the subject.

When you post, the subject becomes you.

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In fact, the person who uses expressions like "Your child takes
Ritalin" as a term of abuse ...

Well, no I have never said that, but yes, it is a source of abuse.

OH? Liar! You have implied it toward me several times.

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The drug such have never been on the market.

Hogwash. It has many uses, and it is safe and effective.

repost of repost of repost of repost deleted to preserve sanily
(unfortuantely, for jan, I was too late.)

Tsu Dho Nimh said:

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

Yes, it can be addicting ... so can alcohol, nicotine, morphine,
other opiates, barbiturates, valium, thebane and even
theobromine.

So would you give any of the above list to a three year old child??

Yes.

there you have it!!!

__

"In its recent infatuation with symptomatic, push-button remedies,
psychiatry has lost its way not only intellectually but spiritually
and morally. Even when it is not actually doing damage to the people
it is supposed to help,…it is encouraging among doctors and patients
alike the fraudulent and dangerous fantasy that life's every passing
'symptom' can be clinically diagnosed and, once diagnosed, alleviated
if not eliminated by pharmacological intervention."

Paul R. McHugh
Professor of Psychiatry,
Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine

Mark Probert said:

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Date: 9/19/2003 4:12 PM Pacific Standard Time

Quoted message said:

Message-id: <[email hidden]>

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

>HEY GANG!!
>
>THIS IS NOW GETTING PERSONAL!!!
>
>STOP IT PLEASE.
>
>STICK WITH THE SUBJECT.
>
>Jan

Says someone who has tried to make the topic me, Mark Probert and Ben
Kolb, to name just three, in the last few days.

I repeat:

Stick to the subject.

Quoted message said:

When you post, the subject becomes you.

well..you try and make it so but I am unsure that's the same thing..

:>😉

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Subject: Re: Drug Enforcement Agency: Methylphenidate (Ritalin)
From: jake [email hidden]
Date: 9/21/2003 10:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

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Yes, it can be addicting ... so can alcohol, nicotine, morphine,
>other opiates, barbiturates, valium, thebane and even

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So would you give any of the above list to a three year old child??

Yes.

OK...so the 3 year old having open heart surgery does not "deserve" pain
relief??

or the 3 year old with uncontrolled seizures does not "deserve"
barbituates,,maybe valium??

you obviously have never been in an ER

hawki

In article <[email hidden]>,

jake said:

"In its recent infatuation with symptomatic, push-button remedies,
psychiatry has lost its way not only intellectually but spiritually
and morally. Even when it is not actually doing damage to the people
it is supposed to help, it is encouraging among doctors and patients
alike the fraudulent and dangerous fantasy that life's every passing
'symptom' can be clinically diagnosed and, once diagnosed, alleviated
if not eliminated by pharmacological intervention."

While that may be true in general, why does it apply to ADHD?

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

In article <[email hidden]>,

jake said:

Tsu Dho Nimh said:

(Jan) said:

>Yes, it can be addicting ... so can alcohol, nicotine, morphine,
>other opiates, barbiturates, valium, thebane and even
>theobromine.

So would you give any of the above list to a three year old child??

Yes.

there you have it!!!

There he has what?

We give morphine and other opiates to children undergoing surgery or
painful procedures all the time in order to control their pain. Children
undergoing anaesthesia will sometimes also get barbiturates and
valium-like drugs like Versed as part of their anaesthesia. Do you think
it is appropriate to withhold these drugs from children in pain?

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Hawki63) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Drug Enforcement Agency: Methylphenidate (Ritalin)
From: jake [email hidden]
Date: 9/21/2003 10:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>Yes, it can be addicting ... so can alcohol, nicotine, morphine,
>>other opiates, barbiturates, valium, thebane and even

Quoted message said:

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>So would you give any of the above list to a three year old child??

Yes.

OK...so the 3 year old having open heart surgery does not "deserve" pain
relief??

or the 3 year old with uncontrolled seizures does not "deserve"
barbituates,,maybe valium??

you obviously have never been in an ER

He's obviously never been in a pediatric clinic, a pediatric intensive
care unit, on a pediatric surgery or trauma service, a pediatric
oncology unit, or in a neonatal intensive care unit, either.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

Quoted message said:

From: Tsu Dho Nimh [email hidden]
Date: 9/21/2003 4:17 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

<snip>

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The abuse problem is NOT in the ADD kids ... it's in the non ADD
kids looking for something to relieve their stultifying
existence.

That is complete hogwash. We are talking about abuse the drug.

The abuse comes form those taking Ritalin. ADD kids. They soon learn how to
abuse it.

Non ADD kids are NOT taken Ritlain, therefore your diversion is very apparent.

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Tthe use of these drugs does appear to produce long-term changes in the

brain.

Quoted message said:

Ritalin is a drug. It is classified (FDA) in the same group of hazardous
addictive drugs as cocaine, methadone and barbiturates. Its function is to

dull

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and limit mental activity and capacity.

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No - it makes a TRUE ADD child capable of concentrating on what
they want to concentrate on.

Studies have proven that the drug does appear to procude long term changes in
the brain.

The FACTS are

It is classified in the same group of hazardous addictive drugs as cocain,
methadone and barburates.

It is given to kids before the brain is developed.

You have just proven that organized medicine members will say anything to
protect organized medicine.

Sad, sad, sad.

Jan

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Drug Enforcement Agency: Methylphenidate (Ritalin)
From: jake [email hidden]
Date: 9/21/2003 9:30 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Tsu Dho Nimh said:

(Jan) said:

>Yes, it can be addicting ... so can alcohol, nicotine, morphine,
>other opiates, barbiturates, valium, thebane and even
>theobromine.

So would you give any of the above list to a three year old child??

Yes.

there you have it!!!

__

"In its recent infatuation with symptomatic, push-button remedies,
psychiatry has lost its way not only intellectually but spiritually
and morally. Even when it is not actually doing damage to the people
it is supposed to help,…it is encouraging among doctors and patients
alike the fraudulent and dangerous fantasy that life's every passing
'symptom' can be clinically diagnosed and, once diagnosed, alleviated
if not eliminated by pharmacological intervention."

Paul R. McHugh
Professor of Psychiatry,
Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine

TDN is an organized medicine sock puppet. She also defends the vested interest
of the CDC and FDA in vaccines, and the wavers given, but then squawks about
any other vested interest.

Jan

In said:

TDN is an organized medicine sock puppet. She also defends the vested interest
of the CDC and FDA in vaccines, and the wavers given, but then squawks about
any other vested interest.

In <[email hidden]%, Jan wrote:
% HEY GANG!!
%
% THIS IS NOW GETTING PERSONAL!!!
%
% STOP IT PLEASE.
%
% STICK WITH THE SUBJECT.

But then, in <[email hidden]# Jan wrote:

# Their focus is upon attacking the person they disagree with, rather than the
# issues.
#
# When confronted with valid and accepted scientific evidence, such as that found
# in Scientific Studies, they resort to distractions, illogical arguments, and
# focusing upon personal issues.

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Subject: Re: Drug Enforcement Agency: Methylphenidate (Ritalin)
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 9/21/2003 5:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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The abuse comes form those taking Ritalin. ADD kids. They soon learn how to
abuse it.

go back and read your original post...and tell me AGAIN since you ignored me
the first time....how do those preschoolers you talk about do the
crushing,,snorting and IV administration?? fascinating talent for the 3 year
olds..

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Non ADD kids are NOT taken Ritlain, therefore your diversion is very
apparent.

go back and read your original post....it IS as we all know the non ADD kids
that are "abusing" the Ritalin...

can you read??

sad that

hawki

(Jan) said:

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[email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

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>So would you give any of the above list to a three year old child??

TDN replied:

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Yes.

there you have it!!!

Note that she snippefd the legitimate medical reasons for a three
year old child to get some known addictive drugs ...

(snip)

And proceeds to a personal attack of the variety she professes to
abhor.

Quoted message said:

TDN is an organized medicine sock puppet. She also defends the vested interest
of the CDC and FDA in vaccines, and the wavers given, but then squawks about
any other vested interest.

Tsu Dho Nimh

--
When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like
politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
your kid and run for your life.