15m is a couple of seconds travel on a bicycle at 15mph.
-- Tony
Surely. What does it mean to say that he overtook 15 m. before the roundabout. Was he clear ahead? By how much. Some motorists I have met, and one bus driver considered he had overtaken me when their head went past abreast my head. They then felt free to turn left. The driver must have been slowing down at this point, and it seems imprudent to overtake whilst slowing down. I wonder what the driver would estimate their speeds to have been?
15m is a couple of seconds travel on a bicycle at 15mph.
-- Tony
Surely. What does it mean to say that he overtook 15 m. before the roundabout. Was he clear ahead? By how much. Some motorists I have met, and one bus driver considered he had overtaken me when their head went past abreast my head. They then felt free to turn left. The driver must have been slowing down at this point, and it seems imprudent to overtake whilst slowing down. I wonder what the driver would estimate their speeds to have been?
You are right. 15m is nothing in such circumstances. I feel reasonably sure that the OP under-estimated the distance by a wide margin.
You are right. 15m is nothing in such circumstances. I feel reasonably sure that the OP under-estimated the distance by a wide margin.
Are you reasonably sure because you were there and saw it so are able to counter the OP's assessment of what he did or are you reasonably sure because if it was 15m you might have to admit it was the driver and not the cyclist who was primarily at fault, which would never do?
-- Tony
"...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least wildly inaccurate..." Douglas Adams; The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
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15m is a couple of seconds travel on a bicycle at 15mph.
-- Tony
Surely. What does it mean to say that he overtook 15 m. before the roundabout. Was he clear ahead? By how much. Some motorists I have met, and one bus driver considered he had overtaken me when their head went past abreast my head. They then felt free to turn left. The driver must have been slowing down at this point, and it seems imprudent to overtake whilst slowing down. I wonder what the driver would estimate their speeds to have been?
You are right. 15m is nothing in such circumstances. I feel reasonably sure that the OP under-estimated the distance by a wide margin.
Or hadn't bothered to check that he had actually passed the cyclist. That is what the nearside mirror is for.
You are right. 15m is nothing in such circumstances. I feel reasonably sure that the OP under-estimated the distance by a wide margin.
Are you reasonably sure because you were there and saw it so are able to counter the OP's assessment of what he did or are you reasonably sure because if it was 15m you might have to admit it was the driver and not the cyclist who was primarily at fault, which would never do?
I am reasonably sure that 15 metres is not sufficient space for all that manoeuvring to have happened at anything much greater than human trotting speed. IME, distances on the road are often under-estimated.
I am reasonably sure that 15 metres is not sufficient space for all that manoeuvring to have happened at anything much greater than human trotting speed. IME, distances on the road are often under-estimated.
All what manoeuvring? The most plausible course of events is that the driver forgot about the cyclist he had just "passed" because all his attention was on entering the traffic flow already on the roundabout. Certainly the cyclist caught him up soon enough. This happens all too frequently. The answer is to be farther right in the lane whichdiscourages last minute "overtakers". Mike Sales
I am reasonably sure that 15 metres is not sufficient space for all that manoeuvring to have happened at anything much greater than human trotting speed. IME, distances on the road are often under-estimated.
All what manoeuvring? The most plausible course of events is that the driver forgot about the cyclist he had just "passed" because all his attention was on entering the traffic flow already on the roundabout. Certainly the cyclist caught him up soon enough. This happens all too frequently. The answer is to be farther right in the lane whichdiscourages last minute "overtakers".
Fifteen metres is still next to nothing and likely to be an under-estimate.
Estimating relatively short distances along a highway from a given standpoint is more difficult than it appears. The easiest demonstration of this is to stand on one of those bridges across a motorway carriageway at a service area. The distance between vehicles is greater than it seems at ground level, where the medium distance appears foreshortened.
I am reasonably sure that 15 metres is not sufficient space for all that manoeuvring to have happened at anything much greater than human trotting speed.
I suspect you are right and that the OP did not complete his manoeuvre which is why what happened happened.
-- Tony
"...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least wildly inaccurate..." Douglas Adams; The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
I am reasonably sure that 15 metres is not sufficient space for all that manoeuvring to have happened at anything much greater than human trotting speed.
I suspect you are right and that the OP did not complete his manoeuvre which is why what happened happened.
-- Tony
"...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least wildly inaccurate..." Douglas Adams; The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Makes me think of the AA driver that "overtook" me about 15m to the end of the queue at some traffic lights on the South Circular. He got as far as next to me, had to brake, and then pulled in and squeezed me towards the kerb. Of course he was peeved and annoyed with me when I banged on the side of his vehicle, and couldn't see what he'd done wrong.
