Re: Cyclist killed in hit/run (chickeshit motorist) - AGAIN

[Geoff]

"Sasha" <sashan(nospam)@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Oh ****, this must be one of the cyclists I saw heading south on Plenty
> road
> this morning. This would explain the reason Plenty Road was blocked by
> Police on my return trip. I didn't know the reason at that stage, but my
> cyclists instinct told me that there had been an accident involving a
> cyclist. Unfortunately my instinct has proven correct. This is very sad
> news.
>
> To those of you who do not know this area, many cyclists use Plenty road
> going to Whittlesea and further on to Kinglake. There is excellent
> mountain
> training to be had on the ride up to Kinglake. Unfortunately this area
> also
> produces lots of typical boneheaded, knuckle dragging, low intellect scum
> drivers that are the enemy of most decent human beings as well as other
> road
> users (cyclists especially). It makes me ashamed to say I a live in the
> area. If they havn't already found this loser, I hope they do and give him
> what he/she deserves. Humanity can do without this scum.
>
> Sasha- very upset :-(
>

Very sad to hear that this was the reason for the traffic diversion I saw
today.
My condolences to his family.

Looks like the incident took place on the northbound carriageway. I was
travelling south heading out to Blackburn velodrome in the car at about 1230
and the road north was still closed then. Usually that stretch of 3 lane
80km/h road is pretty quiet at that time of morning (0700). Even when I
ride it in peak times it's usually pretty good to ride. The only thing that
presents an unnecessary danger are the bus drivers (from a particular
company that operates in the northern suburbs) that seem to get really
upset about getting overtaken by cyclists and do their best to drive you off
the road into the gutter as they over take you.

Unfortunately in this case we do not know yet who was in the wrong or what
the contributing factors were with regard to the actual collision but there
is no excuse for the car driver to leave the scene of the incident with out
rendering assistance. That's a really low act there.

Sadly the Police don't have the power to do that which needs to be done to
the driver of the car who fled the scene.

Geoff :-(

 

[mogulhead]

Link to the Sunday Age article:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/Natio...hitandrun-crash/2005/01/22/1106334269866.html

The drivers lawyer has contacted police, I like that bit. I hope they throw the book at him.

Does anyone have any information on the cyclist death on Barrabool road in Geelong. The following article was from the Geelong Independent.

"A Camperdown cyclist died following a collision with a vehicle at Ceres. The 31 year old man had been on a training ride, travelling west on Barrabool rd, he and a vehicle travelling in the same direction collided. The cyclist was transported to Geelong Hospital with head injuries, but later died."

How do you collide with bike travelling in the same direction if your paying attention. How do these people get their licences I don't know.

 

[hippy]

"mogulhead" <[email protected]
> Does anyone have any information on the cyclist death on Barrabool road
> in Geelong. The following article was from the Geelong Independent.
>
> "A Camperdown cyclist died following a collision with a vehicle at
> Ceres. The 31 year old man had been on a training ride, travelling west
> on Barrabool rd, he and a vehicle travelling in the same direction
> collided. The cyclist was transported to Geelong Hospital with head
> injuries, but later died."

"31 year-old Australian Saul Pasque has been killed in an accident
in Geelong, Victoria on the evening of Tuesday, January 18. He was
out on a training ride at Ceres going up a hill when he was hit by a
ute from behind. He suffered severe head injuries and died shortly
afterwards in hospital.
Pasque, from Camperdown, Victoria, was the president of the
Camperdown cycling club president for the past four years, and had
ridden in Europe for a several seasons. He also rode in the Herald
Sun Tour. From all reports, he had many friends in the cycling world
in Victoria, and his death will be a huge loss for those that knew him."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/jan05/jan20news

hippy

 

[Geoff]

"mogulhead" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
>
> Link to the Sunday Age article:
> http://tinyurl.com/6s2ps
>
> The drivers lawyer has contacted police, I like that bit. I hope they
> throw the book at him.

Driver contacts lawyer before rendering assistance to the guy he allegedly
collided with. Hmmm, makes me wonder what those "contributing factors" if
any there might have been and had he done a similar thing before where those
"contributing factors" were also present.

> How do you collide with bike travelling in the same direction if your
> paying attention.

Valid question/statement. It's not as if its a narrow road that we are
talking about here it's a wide straight three lane road in broad daylight..

According to the Sunday Age Article there was another rider (Mate of rider
killed) who witnessed the incident so at least there is someone to tell the
sequence of events to the court and to positively identify the vehicle
involved. Poor guy, words could not describe what he must be going through
right now.

Geoff :-(

 

[Peter Keller]

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:40:50 +1100, hippy wrote:


> "31 year-old Australian Saul Pasque has been killed in an accident
> in Geelong, Victoria on the evening of Tuesday, January 18. He was
> out on a training ride at Ceres going up a hill when he was hit by a
> ute from behind. He suffered severe head injuries and died shortly
> afterwards in hospital.
> Pasque, from Camperdown, Victoria, was the president of the
> Camperdown cycling club president for the past four years, and had
> ridden in Europe for a several seasons. He also rode in the Herald
> Sun Tour. From all reports, he had many friends in the cycling world
> in Victoria, and his death will be a huge loss for those that knew him."
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/jan05/jan20news
>
> hippy

This makes me wonder whether the road rules need to be changed. As cars,
trucks, utes etc are going to overtake us anyway, wouldn't it be safer if
we could see them before they overtook us?
Simple solution, we ride against the traffic (keep right in Aus, NZ; left
in US etc). That way, we see the approaching danger, can take
appropriate accident-reducing measures, if any, and perhaps have a chance
to make eye-contact with the driver.

Peter

--
If you are careful enough in life, nothing bad -- or
good -- will ever happen to you.

 

[ritcho]

[snip]

This makes me wonder whether the road rules need to be changed. As cars,
trucks, utes etc are going to overtake us anyway, wouldn't it be safer if
we could see them before they overtook us?
Simple solution, we ride against the traffic (keep right in Aus, NZ; left
in US etc). That way, we see the approaching danger, can take
appropriate accident-reducing measures, if any, and perhaps have a chance
to make eye-contact with the driver.

Peter

--
If you are careful enough in life, nothing bad -- or
good -- will ever happen to you.

I sincerely hope you are joking about riding the wrong way. The improvement in your ability to react (such as it is) would be weighed against the reduction in reaction time as the closing speeds are multiplied. eg, Car = 60km/h, Bike = 30km/h gives a 30km/h closing speed if we're travelling the same direction, but 90km/h if we travel opposite directions.

Riding on the wrong side of the road is also a good way to get hit by cars turning out of T-intersections and driveways. Crazy talk!

Ritch

 

[Peter Keller]

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:20:32 +1100, ritcho wrote:

>
> Peter Keller Wrote:
>>
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> This makes me wonder whether the road rules need to be changed. As
>> cars,
>> trucks, utes etc are going to overtake us anyway, wouldn't it be safer
>> if
>> we could see them before they overtook us?
>> Simple solution, we ride against the traffic (keep right in Aus, NZ;
>> left
>> in US etc). That way, we see the approaching danger, can take
>> appropriate accident-reducing measures, if any, and perhaps have a
>> chance
>> to make eye-contact with the driver.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> --
>> If you are careful enough in life, nothing bad -- or
>> good -- will ever happen to you.
>
> I sincerely hope you are joking about riding the wrong way. The
> improvement in your ability to react (such as it is) would be weighed
> against the reduction in reaction time as the closing speeds are
> multiplied. eg, Car = 60km/h, Bike = 30km/h gives a 30km/h closing
> speed if we're travelling the same direction, but 90km/h if we travel
> opposite directions.
>
> Riding on the wrong side of the road is also a good way to get hit by
> cars turning out of T-intersections and driveways. Crazy talk!
>
> Ritch

I was only half joking. This has been discussed on rec.bicycles.soc among
others.
Against the higher closing speed is the identification of danger much
earlier.
Regarding T-intersections etc, I treat these with great caution anyway,
and I suspect driving behaviour might change once drivers get used to the
fact that bikes come from the other direction.

Peter

--
If you are careful enough in life, nothing bad -- or
good -- will ever happen to you.

 

[Joel Mayes]

On 2005-01-24, Peter Keller <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:20:32 +1100, ritcho wrote:

<SNIP>

> I was only half joking. This has been discussed on rec.bicycles.soc among
> others.
> Against the higher closing speed is the identification of danger much
> earlier.
> Regarding T-intersections etc, I treat these with great caution anyway,
> and I suspect driving behaviour might change once drivers get used to the
> fact that bikes come from the other direction.

Given that some drivers still won't give way to cyclist at give way signs, even
those on Miller street (N. Fitroy) which I used to commutes down which had
large "Give Way to Cyclists" signs added by the local council underneath the
standard give way sign, or on St Georges Rd which is places has a similar
arrangement with the bickpath down the median strip, I don't think that will
happen.

Joel

 

[LotteBum]

I couldn't agree more. Riding against traffic, I'd rather ride on bike paths.. and I do NOT like bike paths.

 

[Geoff]

"ritcho" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Peter Keller Wrote:
>>
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> This makes me wonder whether the road rules need to be changed. As
>> cars,
>> trucks, utes etc are going to overtake us anyway, wouldn't it be safer
>> if
>> we could see them before they overtook us?
>> Simple solution, we ride against the traffic (keep right in Aus, NZ;
>> left
>> in US etc). That way, we see the approaching danger, can take
>> appropriate accident-reducing measures, if any, and perhaps have a
>> chance
>> to make eye-contact with the driver.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> --
>> If you are careful enough in life, nothing bad -- or
>> good -- will ever happen to you.
>
> I sincerely hope you are joking about riding the wrong way. The
> improvement in your ability to react (such as it is) would be weighed
> against the reduction in reaction time as the closing speeds are
> multiplied. eg, Car = 60km/h, Bike = 30km/h gives a 30km/h closing
> speed if we're travelling the same direction, but 90km/h if we travel
> opposite directions.
>
> Riding on the wrong side of the road is also a good way to get hit by
> cars turning out of T-intersections and driveways. Crazy talk!
>
> Ritch
>
>
> --
> ritcho
>

You beat me to it, Rich
The thought of something as ludicrous as this being floated as a solution to
a problem that should not be a problem to start with really worries me.

Geoff
-Share The Road

 

[flyingdutch]

You beat me to it, Rich
The thought of something as ludicrous as this being floated as a solution to
a problem that should not be a problem to start with really worries me.

Geoff
-Share The Road

There are already enough 'RUNNERS' doing it (expletives not necessary ) on the paths/roads

 

[K.A. Moylan]

In article <>, Peter Keller <[email protected]> wrote:

> ...
> This makes me wonder whether the road rules need to be changed. As cars,
> trucks, utes etc are going to overtake us anyway, wouldn't it be safer if
> we could see them before they overtook us?
> Simple solution, we ride against the traffic (keep right in Aus, NZ; left
> in US etc). That way, we see the approaching danger, can take
> appropriate accident-reducing measures, if any, and perhaps have a chance
> to make eye-contact with the driver.
>
> Peter

When I was in primary school, many years ago, we were taught to walk
along the road & facing the traffic. (This was where there was no
footpath beside the road.) When a car came, we walkers had to get off
the road.
Obviously, roads are for cars & walkers use under sufferance.

So, in your simple solution, what accident-reducing measures are
available? Get off the road? Pray? Stare at the oncoming traffic & hope
that the drivers 'make eye contact'?
It seems to me that your simple solution is another way of saying to
drivers that roads are for cars & bicycles use them under sufferance.

--
K.A. Moylan
Canberra, Australia
Ski Club: http://www.cccsc.asn.au
kamoylan at ozemail dot com dot au

 

[hippy]

"K.A. Moylan" <[email protected]
<snippage>

Ride like you are a car.

hippy

 

[Stuart Lamble]

On 2005-01-24, hippy <[email protected]> wrote:
> "K.A. Moylan" <[email protected]
><snippage>
>
> Ride like you are a car.

*scratches head*

I can do the squealing tires without a problem, but the roaring engine's
causing me a bit of grief. My throat can't take much more of this.

--
My Usenet From: address now expires after two weeks. If you email me, and
the mail bounces, try changing the bit before the "@" to "usenet".

 

[hippy]

"Stuart Lamble" <[email protected]
> On 2005-01-24, hippy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > "K.A. Moylan" <[email protected]
> ><snippage>
> >
> > Ride like you are a car.
>
> *scratches head*
>
> I can do the squealing tires without a problem, but the roaring engine's
> causing me a bit of grief. My throat can't take much more of this.

Have you no stamina man?! I "brroom! brroom!" all the way
to and from work! ;-)

hippy

 

[ritcho]

"Stuart Lamble" <[email protected]
> On 2005-01-24, hippy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > "K.A. Moylan" <[email protected]
> ><snippage>
> >
> > Ride like you are a car.
>
> *scratches head*
>
> I can do the squealing tires without a problem, but the roaring engine's
> causing me a bit of grief. My throat can't take much more of this.

Have you no stamina man?! I "brroom! brroom!" all the way
to and from work! ;-)

hippy

It's easier to pretend you're a two-stroke motorcycle.

Niiiing... ningningningning...Niiinng.

But much more difficult to keep up the sound of a Harley.

potatopotatopotatopotatopotato



Ritch

 

[hippy]

"ritcho" <[email protected]
> It's easier to pretend you're a two-stroke motorcycle.
> Niiiing... ningningningning...Niiinng.
> But much more difficult to keep up the sound of a Harley.
> potatopotatopotatopotatopotato

I also like to throw in a few 'Jake Brake' stops..

Brrrroooooo psssssshhh
Brrooo psssshh
Brr pssh
eerk

hippy :-D

 

[mfhor]

"ritcho" <[email protected]
> It's easier to pretend you're a two-stroke motorcycle.
> Niiiing... ningningningning...Niiinng.
> But much more difficult to keep up the sound of a Harley.
> potatopotatopotatopotatopotato

I also like to throw in a few 'Jake Brake' stops..

Brrrroooooo psssssshhh
Brrooo psssshh
Brr pssh
eerk

hippy :-D

WRX/Skyline riceburner: wockawockawockawocka . . .wdoodoodoodoo (turbo blow-off valve) It's almost poetry.

M "flat-four thud listener-toer now I've got a Suby" H

 

[LotteBum]

Ritch said:

>But much more difficult to keep up the sound of a Harley.

You mean 'antique waterpump' right?

>potatopotatopotatopotatopotato

Haha, I'm not into making car noises but that's a good one. I'm going to start saying that whenever I see one.

Speaking of antique waterpumps, my nephew saw one the other day and said to his mum "Mum, that man has girl hair" because the said rider had a pony tail. I thought that was pretty cute.

 

[TimC]

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 at 01:06 GMT, hippy (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> "ritcho" <[email protected]
>> It's easier to pretend you're a two-stroke motorcycle.
>> Niiiing... ningningningning...Niiinng.
>> But much more difficult to keep up the sound of a Harley.
>> potatopotatopotatopotatopotato
>
> I also like to throw in a few 'Jake Brake' stops..
>
> Brrrroooooo psssssshhh
> Brrooo psssshh
> Brr pssh
> eerk

What about those gas powered auto-changers on moron-mobiles?

vrooom ph ph ph ph phut vrooom ph ph ph ph phut vroom!

--
TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/
It involves a static strap and absolutely no silk underwear.
-- magical truthsaying ******* roney in ARK