Re: Cuba offers help

Bubbabob said:

JimLane said:

And here's more: the UN has offed aid and the US has accepted. The
story seems to point back to the fact that the US had been taking a
"no thanks" stance with previous countries offers.

In fact, Bush denied overflight permission to the Canadian D.A.R.T.
disaster teams when they tried to deploy to NOLA on Monday. He actually
went out of his way to prevent them from helping.

So, when is the impeach Bush movement going to begin?

Bubbabob said:

JimLane said:

And here's more: the UN has offed aid and the US has accepted. The
story seems to point back to the fact that the US had been taking a
"no thanks" stance with previous countries offers.

In fact, Bush denied overflight permission to the Canadian D.A.R.T.
disaster teams when they tried to deploy to NOLA on Monday. He actually
went out of his way to prevent them from helping.

Source of this information?

Sandi

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...

Quoted message said:

Bubbabob said:

JimLane said:

And here's more: the UN has offed aid and the US has accepted. The
story seems to point back to the fact that the US had been taking a
"no thanks" stance with previous countries offers.

In fact, Bush denied overflight permission to the Canadian D.A.R.T.
disaster teams when they tried to deploy to NOLA on Monday. He actually
went out of his way to prevent them from helping.

So, when is the impeach Bush movement going to begin?

January 2007.

SD said:

Bubbabob said:

JimLane said:

And here's more: the UN has offed aid and the US has accepted. The
story seems to point back to the fact that the US had been taking a
"no thanks" stance with previous countries offers.

In fact, Bush denied overflight permission to the Canadian D.A.R.T.
disaster teams when they tried to deploy to NOLA on Monday. He actually
went out of his way to prevent them from helping.

Source of this information?

Sandi

I watched CNBC earlier today when they interviewed "someone in charge
of something" (I missed his name and position) who had a laundry list
of help that had been turned away. For beginners, Walmart was ready
to deliver thousands of gallons of water the day after the hurricane
hit. He finished saying what he had to say, but by the time he got to
the end of his list of companies, organizations and countries that
were turned away, the man was sobbing.

Tony P. said:

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...

Quoted message said:

Bubbabob said:

JimLane <[email hidden]> wrote:

>
> And here's more: the UN has offed aid and the US has accepted.
The > story seems to point back to the fact that the US had been
taking a > "no thanks" stance with previous countries offers.
>

In fact, Bush denied overflight permission to the Canadian D.A.R.T.
disaster teams when they tried to deploy to NOLA on Monday. He
actually went out of his way to prevent them from helping.

So, when is the impeach Bush movement going to begin?

January 2007.

Waaaay too late.
BTW - you guys want some lumber?

Ken.

Tony P. said:

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...

Quoted message said:

Bubbabob said:

JimLane <[email hidden]> wrote:

>
> And here's more: the UN has offed aid and the US has accepted. The
> story seems to point back to the fact that the US had been taking a
> "no thanks" stance with previous countries offers.
>

In fact, Bush denied overflight permission to the Canadian D.A.R.T.
disaster teams when they tried to deploy to NOLA on Monday. He actually
went out of his way to prevent them from helping.

So, when is the impeach Bush movement going to begin?

January 2007.

Sadly, that's true.

sf said:

SD said:

Bubbabob said:

JimLane <[email hidden]> wrote:

>
> And here's more: the UN has offed aid and the US has accepted. The
> story seems to point back to the fact that the US had been taking a
> "no thanks" stance with previous countries offers.
>

In fact, Bush denied overflight permission to the Canadian D.A.R.T.
disaster teams when they tried to deploy to NOLA on Monday. He actually
went out of his way to prevent them from helping.

Source of this information?

Sandi

I watched CNBC earlier today when they interviewed "someone in charge
of something" (I missed his name and position) who had a laundry list
of help that had been turned away. For beginners, Walmart was ready
to deliver thousands of gallons of water the day after the hurricane
hit. He finished saying what he had to say, but by the time he got to
the end of his list of companies, organizations and countries that
were turned away, the man was sobbing.

That doesn't explain where Bubbabob go the information about Bush
denying the overflight of Canadians. Where did he get that information?

Sandi

"SD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

sf said:

SD said:

Bubbabob wrote:
> JimLane <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > And here's more: the UN has offed aid and the US has accepted.
The
> > story seems to point back to the fact that the US had been
taking a
> > "no thanks" stance with previous countries offers.
> >
>
> In fact, Bush denied overflight permission to the Canadian
D.A.R.T.
> disaster teams when they tried to deploy to NOLA on Monday. He
actually
> went out of his way to prevent them from helping.

Source of this information?

Sandi

I watched CNBC earlier today when they interviewed "someone in charge
of something" (I missed his name and position) who had a laundry list
of help that had been turned away. For beginners, Walmart was ready
to deliver thousands of gallons of water the day after the hurricane
hit. He finished saying what he had to say, but by the time he got
to
the end of his list of companies, organizations and countries that
were turned away, the man was sobbing.

That doesn't explain where Bubbabob go the information about Bush
denying the overflight of Canadians. Where did he get that
information?

Sandi

The top one of these links (from last Wed.) talks about how the US was
still assessing where the Canadian help would be needed. But it does
seem as though Canada has offered, and been asked to provide, help, and
is in fact doing so.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20050831_katrina_template_050831?s_name=&no_ads

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1125857169757_5

-T

In article <[email hidden]>,

skoonj said:

"SD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

sf said:

On 4 Sep 2005 18:57:04 -0700, SD wrote:

>
> Bubbabob wrote:
> > JimLane <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > And here's more: the UN has offed aid and the US has accepted.
> The
> > > story seems to point back to the fact that the US had been
> taking a
> > > "no thanks" stance with previous countries offers.
> > >
> >
> > In fact, Bush denied overflight permission to the Canadian
> D.A.R.T.
> > disaster teams when they tried to deploy to NOLA on Monday. He
> actually
> > went out of his way to prevent them from helping.
>
> Source of this information?
>
> Sandi

I watched CNBC earlier today when they interviewed "someone in charge
of something" (I missed his name and position) who had a laundry list
of help that had been turned away. For beginners, Walmart was ready
to deliver thousands of gallons of water the day after the hurricane
hit. He finished saying what he had to say, but by the time he got
to
the end of his list of companies, organizations and countries that
were turned away, the man was sobbing.

That doesn't explain where Bubbabob go the information about Bush
denying the overflight of Canadians. Where did he get that
information?

Sandi

The top one of these links (from last Wed.) talks about how the US was
still assessing where the Canadian help would be needed. But it does
seem as though Canada has offered, and been asked to provide, help, and
is in fact doing so.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20050831_katrina_template_
050831?s_name=&no_ads

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1125857169757_5

-T

Assesing whether or not we need help??? WTF is the matter with those
morons? WE NEED ALL THE HELP WE CAN GET RIGHT NOW!!!

Geez!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

skoonj said:

The top one of these links (from last Wed.) talks about how the US was
still assessing where the Canadian help would be needed. But it does
seem as though Canada has offered, and been asked to provide, help, and
is in fact doing so.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20050831_katrina_template_
050831?s_name=&no_ads

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1125857169757_5

-T

Assesing whether or not we need help??? WTF is the matter with those
morons? WE NEED ALL THE HELP WE CAN GET RIGHT NOW!!!

Not 'whether or not' you need help, but 'what kind of help' you need. No
use sending water purifying equipment if what you need is medical supplies.
The request has been made for blankets, beds, etc.

Gabby

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Assesing whether or not we need help??? WTF is the matter with those
morons? WE NEED ALL THE HELP WE CAN GET RIGHT NOW!!!

Geez!

It's all a game of posturing and politics by people who are clean,
dry, well fed and not in immediate danger.

Apparently there was a fight between LA's governor and the Feds over
who would be in charge and that's part of the reason why the Feds
didn't get in as soon as they should have. Let's remember that FEMA
was absorbed by Homeland Security after 9-11, so we should be asking
what Homeland Security is supposed to do in times of a natural (or
national) disaster. So far, it has proven to be a master of
bureaucratic bungling.

How about that New Orleans mayor who is finger pointing everywhere?
He [censored] up big time! The Superdome is used for evacuations all the
time... so why wasn't it stocked with porta potties, water and MREs
(at the very least)???

sf said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Assesing whether or not we need help??? WTF is the matter with those
morons? WE NEED ALL THE HELP WE CAN GET RIGHT NOW!!!

Geez!

It's all a game of posturing and politics by people who are clean,
dry, well fed and not in immediate danger.

Apparently there was a fight between LA's governor and the Feds over
who would be in charge and that's part of the reason why the Feds
didn't get in as soon as they should have. Let's remember that FEMA
was absorbed by Homeland Security after 9-11, so we should be asking
what Homeland Security is supposed to do in times of a natural (or
national) disaster. So far, it has proven to be a master of
bureaucratic bungling.

How about that New Orleans mayor who is finger pointing everywhere?
He [censored] up big time! The Superdome is used for evacuations all the
time... so why wasn't it stocked with porta potties, water and MREs
(at the very least)???

--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974

sf said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Assesing whether or not we need help??? WTF is the matter with those
morons? WE NEED ALL THE HELP WE CAN GET RIGHT NOW!!!

Geez!

It's all a game of posturing and politics by people who are clean,
dry, well fed and not in immediate danger.

Apparently there was a fight between LA's governor and the Feds over
who would be in charge and that's part of the reason why the Feds
didn't get in as soon as they should have. Let's remember that FEMA
was absorbed by Homeland Security after 9-11, so we should be asking
what Homeland Security is supposed to do in times of a natural (or
national) disaster. So far, it has proven to be a master of
bureaucratic bungling.

How about that New Orleans mayor who is finger pointing everywhere?
He [censored] up big time! The Superdome is used for evacuations all the
time... so why wasn't it stocked with porta potties, water and MREs
(at the very least)???

Yeah, he's just like Rawls (Exxon Valdez), not out faultism.

jim

The Cook said:

--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974

Was this a mistake or a real reply? If this is your version of a
reply, there is no trace of envy on my part. Search elsewhere for
that.

skoonj said:

"SD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That doesn't explain where Bubbabob go the information about Bush
denying the overflight of Canadians. Where did he get that
information?

Sandi

The top one of these links (from last Wed.) talks about how the US was
still assessing where the Canadian help would be needed. But it does
seem as though Canada has offered, and been asked to provide, help, and
is in fact doing so.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20050831_katrina_template_050831?s_name=&no_ads

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1125857169757_5

-T

It still doesn't explain where Bubbabob got the information about Bush
denying the overflight of Canadian DART teams in US airspace. I'd like
HIM to quote his source.

Sandi

SD said:

skoonj said:

"SD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That doesn't explain where Bubbabob go the information about Bush
denying the overflight of Canadians. Where did he get that
information?

Sandi

The top one of these links (from last Wed.) talks about how the US was
still assessing where the Canadian help would be needed. But it does
seem as though Canada has offered, and been asked to provide, help, and
is in fact doing so.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20050831_katrina_template_050831?s_name=&no_ads

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1125857169757_5

-T

It still doesn't explain where Bubbabob got the information about Bush
denying the overflight of Canadian DART teams in US airspace. I'd like
HIM to quote his source.

Sandi

There are a lot of Canadian references to this incident. Do a search on
"Bush refused help". Presumably that's where Bubbabob got his info.
That's where I got mine.

Arri London said:

SD wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It still doesn't explain where Bubbabob got the information about Bush
denying the overflight of Canadian DART teams in US airspace. I'd like
HIM to quote his source.

Sandi

There are a lot of Canadian references to this incident. Do a search on
"Bush refused help". Presumably that's where Bubbabob got his info.
That's where I got mine.

I've read the many of the references. I've not seen any refer to
denying overflight. Refused help is very different from denied
overflight. Denied overflight implies help was on the way and they were
denied entrance into American airspace. Besides, if he is gonna spout
things as gospel and post statments like that, he's the one who should
quote the source if requested.

Sandi

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:48:18 -0600, Arri London <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

SD said:

skoonj said:

"SD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

>
> That doesn't explain where Bubbabob go the information about Bush
> denying the overflight of Canadians. Where did he get that
> information?
>
> Sandi

The top one of these links (from last Wed.) talks about how the US was
still assessing where the Canadian help would be needed. But it does
seem as though Canada has offered, and been asked to provide, help, and
is in fact doing so.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20050831_katrina_template_050831?s_name=&no_ads

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1125857169757_5

-T

It still doesn't explain where Bubbabob got the information about Bush
denying the overflight of Canadian DART teams in US airspace. I'd like
HIM to quote his source.

Sandi

There are a lot of Canadian references to this incident. Do a search on
"Bush refused help". Presumably that's where Bubbabob got his info.
That's where I got mine.

As of this morning, Swiss government was still awaiting US government
authorization in order to send several hundreds (or thousands? Can't
remember) tons of food and several specialized doctors :-(

Nathalie in Switzerland

Nathalie Chiva <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

As of this morning, Swiss government was still awaiting US
government authorization in order to send several hundreds (or
thousands? Can't remember) tons of food and several specialized
doctors :-(

I suspect this is part of the bafflegab of rcent years about the
"inferority" of doctors in "socialized medicine" countries. If people
realize how good they really are and how willing they are to help
anyone (even an avowedly medically obscurantist nation like the US),
the arguments for greed-driven medicine will be turned to dross.

Then everyone would have health care and families wouldn't be ruined by
the economic trap of dealing with hangnails on up.

--

"Compassion is the chief law of human existence."

Dostoevski, The Idiot