Re: Creation

"Ace Berserker" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1142485897.847450.101780
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Quoted message said:

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2
clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to
kill him myself?

It has to be a group killing. The more the better.

Ace Berserker said:

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2
clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to
kill him myself?

Without the LORD, there are no moral obligations.

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Andrew B. Chung said:

DanielSan said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

DanielSan wrote:

>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
>>DanielSan wrote:
>>
>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>
>>>>Steve O wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>>>>news:[email hidden]...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Steve O wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:[email hidden]...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>sanity's IittIe helper wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>[email hidden] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Actually, Disciple "Doubting" Thomas was an atheist up until the very
>>>>>>>>last moment of seeing the risen LORD Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You really don't know very much about your own bible, do you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Holy Bible is HIS Word and not mine.
>>>>>
>>>>>Whatever.
>>>>
>>>>It would be your choice to disregard the truth.
>>>
>>>So, Chung, when are you going to kick off the dust as a testimony to us?
>>
>>When the LORD calls me home to HIM.
>
>That's not what the Bible commands you to do.

The LORD has issued two commands on which "all the laws of the prophets
hang."

(1) Love GOD with all of your heart, soul, mind, and strength.

(2) Love others as you would love yourself.

It is the latter command that would have me not abandon the LORD's
purpose for me here.

But, if you loved us so much, you would not seek to convert us.

The LORD's purpose for me here is to inform and not to convert/convince
as is the purpose of HIS four horsemen.

Then you read the "Lord's" purpose wrong. We don't want information.
We've all the information we already need from folks more intelligent
than you.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites. You traverse sea and
land to make one convert, and when that happens you make him a child of
Gehenna twice as much as yourselves." (Matt 23:10)

Actually, the 10th verse of Matthew 23 is as follows:

"Nor are you to be called 'teacher' for you have one Teacher, the
Christ."

I meant the 15th verse.

I was tired last night; my apologies. Now, do the Lord's work; follow
the Bible; and leave us alone.

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Ace Berserker said:

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2
clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to
kill him myself?

Run him over with your car if the distasteful aspects put you off.
God cares not if you use stoning or vehicular homicide to do
his good work.

Quoted message said:

Children have complete faith in their belief in things like Santa Claus
and the Tooth Fairy.They can even tell you elaborate details about
them.
But no amount of faith can make them exist,regardless of how much they
want them to.

Correct

Quoted message said:

What you believe to be true is irrelevent.

Actually, if what you believe **is** the truth, it is relevant.

Quoted message said:

All that matters is what is
true.

Correct.

All that matters is **the** truth.

Quoted message said:

It is the only hope for the future of our species and our planet

It is the only hope for our souls.

Quoted message said:

There are answers to every question but we need to learn that many of
them are beyond our reach.False answers to these questions is called
theology ..

The truth is Christ Jesus.

"I am the way, **the** truth, and the life" -- LORD Jesus Christ

Amen and amen ! ! !

You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love, in Jesus'
most precious and holy name.

May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIM so that you will someday see
the following written on HIS thigh:

"KING of kings and LORD of lords."

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory for
03/29/06, cooking and nutrition that interest those following this
thread here during the next on-line chat (03/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

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Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
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Al said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

Quoted message said:

If you believe in God then you also believe that he created the
Universe and all living creatures.

... and the "natural" laws that govern the universe, including the
space-time continuum.

Quoted message said:

The logical next question that arrises from this hypothesis is that if
all this has been created then what created God?

Belief arises from faith and is not hypothesis:

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, Who is, and Who was, and is to come, the
Almighty." -- LORD GOD

Quoted message said:

You can then argue that God has just always existed and was not
created.

The LORD's purpose for me here is to inform and neither to argue or
convince as is the purpose of HIS four horsemen described in Revelation
6.

Quoted message said:

But if you argue this then the proposition that the Universe has always
existed carries equal merit.

Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

Quoted message said:

SO THE ARGUEMENT FOR A GOD/CREATOR IS SELF DEFEATING.

Those who choose to be reborn of water and the Holy Spirit have indeed
died to self.

Quoted message said:

Each hypothesis carries equal weight and they negate each
other perfectly.

Withour the LORD, your opinion remains meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

Quoted message said:

So the only logical thing is to believe in neither.

That is not what I discern.

For this you will be in my prayers, dear JT whom I love, in Jesus' most
precious and holy name.

May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIM.

This [censored], in a Cardiology group, really ought to stop. No wonder this
guy is unable to get through hospital doors (except maybe as a psych
patient).

Sorry these my posts have been bothering you so terribly. Please
forgive all my iniquities.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
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Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
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sanity's IittIe helper said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

Quoted message said:

If you believe in God then you also believe that he created the
Universe and all living creatures.

... and the "natural" laws that govern the universe, including the
space-time continuum.

Quoted message said:

The logical next question that arrises from this hypothesis is that if
all this has been created then what created God?

Belief arises from faith and is not hypothesis:

Belief arises from faith in empty hypotheses, and those who spout them.

Belief arising from faith in the truth confers eternal life.

"I am the way, **the** truth, and the life." -- LORD Jesus Christ

Amen and amen ! ! !

You will remain in my prayers, dear David whom I love, in Jesus'
most precious and holy name.

May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIM so that you will someday see
the following written on HIS thigh:

"KING of kings and LORD of lords."

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory for
03/29/06, cooking and nutrition that interest those following this
thread here during the next on-line chat (03/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

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For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8

wbarwell said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

Quoted message said:

It's your problem, go away and deal with it.

The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.

Your lord doesn't even exist.
You are delusional.

Through HIM all things have been and continue to be made. The LORD
exists. Everything He has made, including you, proves this.

Quoted message said:

IS THERE A GOD?
Strong Atheism's answer.

Without the LORD, nothing stands.

Quoted message said:

A BASIC DEFINITION OF GOD.

The general overarching definition of god as per
the major religions of the world is:

A. God is personal, God has will and consciousness.
B. God has free will.
C. God is the creator of all.
D. God is omnipotent.
E. God is omnibenevolent.
F. God is omniscient.
G. God is that which nothing more powerful
can be imagined.

GOD is also infinitely greater than all of our attempts to define HIM.

Quoted message said:

These are the basic attributes that can be claimed
for the god of orthodox Judaism, Christianity,
Islam, and Hinduism.

The LORD is the source of all knowledge and wisdom.

Quoted message said:

Omnibenevolence and omniscience are actually
logically derivable from the claimed attribute of
omnipotence and so aren't not truly independent
attributes, and may be considered special aspects
of omnipotence.

That is not what I discern.

Quoted message said:

There are other attributes of god, that he is the
only such god, that he is is immortal and that
god has always existed that are not important
for this discussion and for now, can be ignored.

Without the LORD, your opinions are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

Quoted message said:

They are secondary arguments and are for the most
part not foundational or truly necessary, except
those that can be logically derived from the
attributes listed above.

That is not what I discern.

Quoted message said:

A CLASS OF GODS

It is important to note here that this is a
definition not for a particular god, but an
entire class of gods.

There is no other like LORD GOD Almighty.

Quoted message said:

Sub-theories about god are not important here.
Christianity claims one may attain salvation
only through Jesus, Islam claims the Christian
dogma that Jesus was the son of god is
blasphemous.

Actually, the Holy Quran, guidance from GOD through the angel Gabriel,
who heralded the birth of Immanuel, identifies Christ Jesus as son of
Mary, prophet of GOD who possessed with power of the Holy Spirit.

In essence, the Holy Quran also proclaims that Christ Jesus is GOD the
Son because only the Son of GOD can have the power of the Holy Spirit.

Truth is simple.

Quoted message said:

Ideas like this though, are of little importance
to the overarching and general claims made for a
personal, creator, omni-everything god. I have
coined a term, The Grand God of Grand Theologies
for this sort of god, this sort of theological
system of expansive claims for god.

It would be your choice to make an idol for worship.

Quoted message said:

Grand theologies are those theologies that have
adopted this class of god as their basic
attributes concerning the nature of god. But it
is important to remember here that what is being
discussed here is a class of gods, not particular
gods or specific gods.

Because there is only one true GOD and HE is LORD GOD Almighty...

"I am the way, the truth, and the life" -- LORD Jesus Christ

.... this feeble attempt to prove that LORD GOD Almighty does not exist
fails.

"A house built on sand will not stand."

You will remain in my prayers, dear Charlie whom I love, in Jesus'
most precious and holy name.

May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIM so that you will someday see
the following written on HIS thigh:

"KING of kings and LORD of lords."

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory for
03/29/06, cooking and nutrition that interest those following this
thread here during the next on-line chat (03/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

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For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8

wbarwell said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

Quoted message said:

All that matters is what is
true.

Correct.

Here is the truth.

LORD Jesus Christ is the truth:

"I am the way, **the** truth, and the life" -- LORD Almighty GOD

Quoted message said:

Your god does not exist.

Through HIM all things have been and continue to be made. The LORD
exists. Everything HE has made, including you, proves this.

Quoted message said:

Its provaIS THERE A GOD?
Strong Atheism's answer.

Without the LORD, nothing stands.

Quoted message said:

A BASIC DEFINITION OF GOD.

The general overarching definition of god as per
the major religions of the world is:

A. God is personal, God has will and consciousness.
B. God has free will.
C. God is the creator of all.
D. God is omnipotent.
E. God is omnibenevolent.
F. God is omniscient.
G. God is that which nothing more powerful
can be imagined.

GOD is also infinitely greater than all of our attempts to define HIM.

Quoted message said:

These are the basic attributes that can be claimed
for the god of orthodox Judaism, Christianity,
Islam, and Hinduism.

The LORD is the source of all knowledge and wisdom.

Quoted message said:

Omnibenevolence and omniscience are actually
logically derivable from the claimed attribute of
omnipotence and so aren't not truly independent
attributes, and may be considered special aspects
of omnipotence.

That is not what I discern.

Quoted message said:

There are other attributes of god, that he is the
only such god, that he is is immortal and that
god has always existed that are not important
for this discussion and for now, can be ignored.

Without the LORD, your opinions are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

Quoted message said:

They are secondary arguments and are for the most
part not foundational or truly necessary, except
those that can be logically derived from the
attributes listed above.

That is not what I discern.

Quoted message said:

A CLASS OF GODS

It is important to note here that this is a
definition not for a particular god, but an
entire class of gods.

There is no other like LORD GOD Almighty.

Quoted message said:

Sub-theories about god are not important here.
Christianity claims one may attain salvation
only through Jesus, Islam claims the Christian
dogma that Jesus was the son of god is
blasphemous.

Actually, the Holy Quran, guidance from GOD through the angel Gabriel,
who heralded the birth of Immanuel, identifies Christ Jesus as son of
Mary, prophet of GOD who possessed with power of the Holy Spirit.

In essence, the Holy Quran also proclaims that Christ Jesus is GOD the
Son because only the Son of GOD can have the power of the Holy Spirit.

Truth is simple.

Quoted message said:

Ideas like this though, are of little importance
to the overarching and general claims made for a
personal, creator, omni-everything god. I have
coined a term, The Grand God of Grand Theologies
for this sort of god, this sort of theological
system of expansive claims for god.

It would be your choice to make an idol for worship.

Quoted message said:

Grand theologies are those theologies that have
adopted this class of god as their basic
attributes concerning the nature of god. But it
is important to remember here that what is being
discussed here is a class of gods, not particular
gods or specific gods.

Because there is only one true GOD and HE is LORD GOD Almighty...

"I am the way, the truth, and the life" -- LORD Jesus Christ

.... this feeble attempt to prove that LORD GOD Almighty does not exist
fails.

"A house built on sand will not stand."

You will remain in my prayers, dear Charlie whom I love, in Jesus'
most precious and holy name.

May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIM so that you will someday see
the following written on HIS thigh:

"KING of kings and LORD of lords."

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory for
03/29/06, cooking and nutrition that interest those following this
thread here during the next on-line chat (03/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8

Ace Berserker said:

Quoted message said:

Without the LORD, there are no moral obligations.

But isn't Exodus 35:2 the "word of the LORD", Andy? Don't we blindly
have to follow the "word" to the letter?

Those who are walking with Christ are following HIS two commandments on
which all the laws of the prophets hang.

You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love, in Jesus'
most precious and holy name.

May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIM so that you will someday see
the following written on HIS thigh:

"KING of kings and LORD of lords."

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory for
03/29/06, cooking and nutrition that interest those following this
thread here during the next on-line chat (03/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

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For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8

Robibnikoff said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Ace Berserker said:

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2
clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to
kill him myself?

Without the LORD, there are no moral obligations.

Nym-shifting [censored]! FOAD!

Sorry the advisory bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my
inquities.

You will remain in my prayers, dear Robyn whom I love, in Jesus'
most precious and holy name.

May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIM so that you will someday see
the following written on HIS thigh:

"KING of kings and LORD of lords."

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory for
03/29/06, cooking and nutrition that interest those following this
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For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8

DanielSan said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

DanielSan said:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

>DanielSan wrote:
>
>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>
>>>DanielSan wrote:
>>>
>>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Steve O wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:[email hidden]...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Steve O wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:[email hidden]...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>sanity's IittIe helper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>[email hidden] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Actually, Disciple "Doubting" Thomas was an atheist up until the very
>>>>>>>>>last moment of seeing the risen LORD Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You really don't know very much about your own bible, do you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Holy Bible is HIS Word and not mine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Whatever.
>>>>>
>>>>>It would be your choice to disregard the truth.
>>>>
>>>>So, Chung, when are you going to kick off the dust as a testimony to us?
>>>
>>>When the LORD calls me home to HIM.
>>
>>That's not what the Bible commands you to do.
>
>The LORD has issued two commands on which "all the laws of the prophets
>hang."
>
>(1) Love GOD with all of your heart, soul, mind, and strength.
>
>(2) Love others as you would love yourself.
>
>It is the latter command that would have me not abandon the LORD's
>purpose for me here.

But, if you loved us so much, you would not seek to convert us.

The LORD's purpose for me here is to inform and not to convert/convince
as is the purpose of HIS four horsemen.

Then you read the "Lord's" purpose wrong.

Discerning the LORD's purpose comes not from reading but from living.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life" -- LORD Jesus Christ, the living
Word of GOD.

You will remain in my prayers, dear Daniel whom I love, in Jesus'
most precious and holy name.

May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIM so that you will someday see
the following written on HIS thigh:

"KING of kings and LORD of lords."

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory for
03/29/06, cooking and nutrition that interest those following this
thread here during the next on-line chat (03/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8

ensenadajim said:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:45:18 -0500 "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote truthfully:

Quoted message said:

Because there is only one true GOD and HE is LORD GOD Almighty...

"I am the way, the truth, and the life" -- LORD Jesus Christ

... this feeble attempt to prove that LORD GOD Almighty does not exist

fails.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"A house built on sand will not stand."

You will remain in my prayers, dear Charlie whom I love, in Jesus'
most precious and holy name.

May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIM so that you will someday see
the following written on HIS thigh:

"KING of kings and LORD of lords."

Nah

Perhaps you will change your tune if the LORD realizes the possibility
of leveling everything with a global earthquake on 03/29/06 through HIS
infinite will.

In the interim, you will remain in my prayers, dear Jim whom I love, in
Jesus' most precious and holy name.

May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIM so that someday you will
also be able to read what is written on HIS thigh:

"KING of kings and LORD of lords.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory for
03/29/06, cooking and nutrition that interest those following this
thread here during the next on-line chat (03/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

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For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8

Andrew B. Chung said:

DanielSan said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

DanielSan wrote:

>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
>
>>DanielSan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>DanielSan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Steve O wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:[email hidden]...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Steve O wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:[email hidden]...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>sanity's IittIe helper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>[email hidden] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Actually, Disciple "Doubting" Thomas was an atheist up until the very
>>>>>>>>>>last moment of seeing the risen LORD Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You really don't know very much about your own bible, do you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The Holy Bible is HIS Word and not mine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Whatever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It would be your choice to disregard the truth.
>>>>>
>>>>>So, Chung, when are you going to kick off the dust as a testimony to us?
>>>>
>>>>When the LORD calls me home to HIM.
>>>
>>>That's not what the Bible commands you to do.
>>
>>The LORD has issued two commands on which "all the laws of the prophets
>>hang."
>>
>>(1) Love GOD with all of your heart, soul, mind, and strength.
>>
>>(2) Love others as you would love yourself.
>>
>>It is the latter command that would have me not abandon the LORD's
>>purpose for me here.
>
>But, if you loved us so much, you would not seek to convert us.

The LORD's purpose for me here is to inform and not to convert/convince
as is the purpose of HIS four horsemen.

Then you read the "Lord's" purpose wrong.

Discerning the LORD's purpose comes not from reading but from living.

Then get a life. Preferably one *AWAY* from the computer.

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DanielSan said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

DanielSan said:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>DanielSan wrote:
>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>DanielSan wrote:
>>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>>>DanielSan wrote:
>>>>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>>>>>Steve O wrote:
>>>>>>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:[email hidden]...
>>>>>>>>>Steve O wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:[email hidden]...
>>>>>>>>>>>sanity's IittIe helper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>[email hidden] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Actually, Disciple "Doubting" Thomas was an atheist up until the very
>>>>>>>>>>>last moment of seeing the risen LORD Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You really don't know very much about your own bible, do you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The Holy Bible is HIS Word and not mine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Whatever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It would be your choice to disregard the truth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, Chung, when are you going to kick off the dust as a testimony to us?
>>>>>
>>>>>When the LORD calls me home to HIM.
>>>>
>>>>That's not what the Bible commands you to do.
>>>
>>>The LORD has issued two commands on which "all the laws of the prophets
>>>hang."
>>>
>>>(1) Love GOD with all of your heart, soul, mind, and strength.
>>>
>>>(2) Love others as you would love yourself.
>>>
>>>It is the latter command that would have me not abandon the LORD's
>>>purpose for me here.
>>
>>But, if you loved us so much, you would not seek to convert us.
>
>The LORD's purpose for me here is to inform and not to convert/convince
>as is the purpose of HIS four horsemen.

Then you read the "Lord's" purpose wrong.

Discerning the LORD's purpose comes not from reading but from living.

Then get a life.

Have it.

"I am the way, the truth, and **the** life" -- LORD Jesus Christ

Quoted message said:

Preferably one *AWAY* from the computer.

The LORD gives me the few seconds I need to post here each day.

All thanks and praises belong to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart,
soul, mind, and strength.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory for
03/29/06, cooking and nutrition that interest those following this
thread here during the next on-line chat (03/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8

Quoted message said:

[email hidden]
Was "Re: Creation"

Quoted message said:

Children have complete faith in their belief in things like Santa Claus
and the Tooth Fairy.They can even tell you elaborate details about
them.
But no amount of faith can make them exist,regardless of how much they
want them to.

What you believe to be true is irrelevent.All that matters is what is
true.It is the only hope for the future of our species and our planet

There are answers to every question but we need to learn that many of
them are beyond our reach.False answers to these questions is called
theology ..

JT

JT,

I can understand your reasoning here, since "theology" covers many
different contradictory religions.

A good strong basis for any true religion would be to verify
everything you can. The Bible invites you to do just that. 1 Th 5:21,

"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (KJV)

The Bible wants you to study the Bible, then reason on what you have
read and researched. Pr 14:15,

"Only a simpleton believes everything he's told! A prudent man
understands the need for proof." (Living Bible)

Acts 17:2,

"And according to Paul's custom, he went to them, and for three
Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures," ( (NASB)

Yes, don't condemn the true religion because of the many false ones.
Let each one justify themselves after careful scrutiny.

Is this not a fair and reasonable approach to find truth?

Sincerely, James

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John Jacobson said:

James <[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Let each one justify themselves after careful scrutiny.

Is this not a fair and reasonable approach to find truth?

This was precisely what led me out of Christianity. When you apply the
principles laid out in the Bible to the Bible itself, it comes up lacking. For
example (one out of tens of thousands), the New Testament says that you will be
able to know believers by their love, and that you can know a man's heart by
his fruits, yet in the Old Testament the Isrealites go on killing and looting
rampages under God's direct order.

Actually no Isrealites in the Old testament claimed to follow the
teachings of LORD Jesus Christ.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." --LORD Jesus Christ

"Prepare the way for the LORD, make straight paths for HIM." (Matthew
3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)

"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the
rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain." (Isaiah
40:4)

Dear Friend,

Through many days of continued prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how
to effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the
catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen very soon,
the above verses which are from both the OT and the NT came to mind.

This electronic message will be a feeble solitary voice calling out into
the desert that is the Internet ever hopeful that it will be heard by
all so that "the glory of the LORD will be revealed." (Isaiah 40:5)
Please help by conveying this message to everyone you know. It will be
my fervent prayer, in Jesus' most precious and holy name, that all who
understand the essence of this message will be protected from all harm
in this time that may possibly be leading to "the great tribulation"
referenced in the 14th verse of Revelation 7. Please join me in our
collectively praying for GOD's protection, HIS continued mercy and HIS
infinite grace for all those who are blessed by an understanding of this
message.

At 10:33 PM (Tokyo time) on 03/28/06, there was a strong and deep
magnitude 6 earthquake that impacted Tokyo:

http://tinyurl.com/oqrlz

Then on 03/29/06, an unusual total solar eclipse happened in Turkey at
2:00 PM (LT) that darkened the skies of the ancient cities where the 7
Churches of Christ reside in the same order as given **twice** in
Revelation (1:11 and then chapters 2 through 3). A parallel solar
eclipse apparently happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which
is the year that Jerusalem was destroyed. This total solar eclipse could
very well be the same eclipse that was seen by John in the prophetic
vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ as described in the 12th verse
of Revelation 6. A "great earthquake" did precede the solar eclipse
visualized by John as described in Revelation 6:12. And now we face a
possible nuclear showdown with Iran that may result in the fulfillment
of the rest of the elements seen by John for the opening of the 6th seal
(Revelation 6:12-17):

http://tinyurl.com/eb6xl

http://tinyurl.com/o4m2x

http://tinyurl.com/ldm6m

http://tinyurl.com/ohyke

It is possible that Tehran is the physical representation on this globe
of the spirit of Babylon, which is "the great city that rules over the
kings of the earth." (Revelation 17:18)

http://tinyurl.com/lxd82

Indeed, using the letters from "Babylon the Great" (Revelation 17:5),
one can form the phrase "At Tehran by Globe."

For more details including a link that has descriptions of recent
observed events that may possibly represent the elements in Revelation 6
that precede the catastrophic event heralded by the 14th verse, please
visit the following online article:

http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse

You are invited to sign up for being notified about the next on-line
HeartMDPhD.com chat to ask questions and confirm the authenticity of
this message and its author:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/chat.asp

In the continued interest of making this message "on-topic" for the
USENET newsgroups ACC, SMC, AA, and RFC that are its initial recipients,
would be glad to also chat about LORD Jesus Christ, cardiology, atheism,
and/or cooking food.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist and Foundation Advisor
http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com/

What's so funny about peace, love and James <[email hidden]>
posting the following on Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:12:16 -0400 iin
alt.atheism?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

[email hidden]
Was "Re: Creation"

Quoted message said:

Children have complete faith in their belief in things like Santa Claus
and the Tooth Fairy.They can even tell you elaborate details about
them.
But no amount of faith can make them exist,regardless of how much they
want them to.

What you believe to be true is irrelevent.All that matters is what is
true.It is the only hope for the future of our species and our planet

There are answers to every question but we need to learn that many of
them are beyond our reach.False answers to these questions is called
theology ..

JT

JT,

I can understand your reasoning here, since "theology" covers many
different contradictory religions.

A good strong basis for any true religion would be to verify
everything you can. The Bible invites you to do just that. 1 Th 5:21,

"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (KJV)

The Bible wants you to study the Bible, then reason on what you have
read and researched. Pr 14:15,

"Only a simpleton believes everything he's told! A prudent man
understands the need for proof." (Living Bible)

Acts 17:2,

"And according to Paul's custom, he went to them, and for three
Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures," ( (NASB)

Yes, don't condemn the true religion because of the many false ones.
Let each one justify themselves after careful scrutiny.

Is this not a fair and reasonable approach to find truth?

I took that approach. It's why I'm an atheist.
--

Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.

Douglas Berry said:

What's so funny about peace, love and James <[email hidden]>
posting the following on Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:12:16 -0400 iin
alt.atheism?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

[email hidden]
Was "Re: Creation"

Quoted message said:

Children have complete faith in their belief in things like Santa Claus
and the Tooth Fairy.They can even tell you elaborate details about
them.
But no amount of faith can make them exist,regardless of how much they
want them to.

What you believe to be true is irrelevent.All that matters is what is
true.It is the only hope for the future of our species and our planet

There are answers to every question but we need to learn that many of
them are beyond our reach.False answers to these questions is called
theology ..

JT

JT,

I can understand your reasoning here, since "theology" covers many
different contradictory religions.

A good strong basis for any true religion would be to verify
everything you can. The Bible invites you to do just that. 1 Th 5:21,

"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (KJV)

The Bible wants you to study the Bible, then reason on what you have
read and researched. Pr 14:15,

"Only a simpleton believes everything he's told! A prudent man
understands the need for proof." (Living Bible)

Acts 17:2,

"And according to Paul's custom, he went to them, and for three
Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures," ( (NASB)

Yes, don't condemn the true religion because of the many false ones.
Let each one justify themselves after careful scrutiny.

Is this not a fair and reasonable approach to find truth?

I took that approach. It's why I'm an atheist.

"My LORD **and** my GOD!" -- Archetypal atheist "Doubting" Thomas upon
rejecting atheism

"Blessed are those who do not see and yet believe." -- LORD Jesus Christ

Amen and amen !

May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIM, dear Douglas whom I love, in
Jesus' most precious and holy name.

Amen ! ! !

"Prepare the way for the LORD, make straight paths for HIM." (Matthew
3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)

"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the
rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain." (Isaiah
40:4)

Dear Friend,

Through many days of continued prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how
to effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the
catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen very soon,
the above verses which are from both the OT and the NT came to mind.

This electronic message will be a feeble solitary voice calling out into
the desert that is the Internet ever hopeful that it will be heard by
all so that "the glory of the LORD will be revealed." (Isaiah 40:5)
Please help by conveying this message to everyone you know. It will be
my fervent prayer, in Jesus' most precious and holy name, that all who
understand the essence of this message will be protected from all harm
in this time that may possibly be leading to "the great tribulation"
referenced in the 14th verse of Revelation 7. Please join me in our
collectively praying for GOD's protection, HIS continued mercy and HIS
infinite grace for all those who are blessed by an understanding of this
message.

At 10:33 PM (Tokyo time) on 03/28/06, there was a strong and deep
magnitude 6 earthquake that impacted Tokyo:

http://tinyurl.com/oqrlz

Then on 03/29/06, an unusual total solar eclipse happened in Turkey at
2:00 PM (LT) that darkened the skies of the ancient cities where the 7
Churches of Christ reside in the same order as given **twice** in
Revelation (1:11 and then chapters 2 through 3). A parallel solar
eclipse apparently happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which
is the year that Jerusalem was destroyed. This total solar eclipse could
very well be the same eclipse that was seen by John in the prophetic
vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ as described in the 12th verse
of Revelation 6. A "great earthquake" did precede the solar eclipse
visualized by John as described in Revelation 6:12. And now we face a
possible nuclear showdown with Iran that may result in the fulfillment
of the rest of the elements seen by John for the opening of the 6th seal
(Revelation 6:12-17):

http://tinyurl.com/eb6xl

http://tinyurl.com/o4m2x

http://tinyurl.com/ldm6m

http://tinyurl.com/ohyke

It is possible that Tehran is the physical representation on this globe
of the spirit of Babylon, which is "the great city that rules over the
kings of the earth." (Revelation 17:18)

http://tinyurl.com/lxd82

Indeed, using the letters from "Babylon the Great" (Revelation 17:5),
one can form the phrase "At Tehran by Globe."

For more details including a link that has descriptions of recent
observed events that may possibly represent the elements in Revelation 6
that precede the catastrophic event heralded by the 14th verse, please
visit the following online article:

http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse

You are invited to sign up for being notified about the next on-line
HeartMDPhD.com chat to ask questions and confirm the authenticity of
this message and its author:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/chat.asp

In the continued interest of making this message "on-topic" for the
USENET newsgroups ACC, SMC, AA, and RFC that are its initial recipients,
would be glad to also chat about LORD Jesus Christ, cardiology, atheism,
and/or cooking food.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist and Foundation Advisor
http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com/