Passover mensch said:
Andrew B. Chung said:Passover mensch said:
<snip>
Quoted message said:Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: Learning **everything** requires
eternal
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:life.
PM response: I reject your statement that I will ever "learn
everything" Only G-d in heaven knows all.
At this time that is correct.
Quoted message said:For me to accept this statement would make me G-ds equal.
That is incorrect.
We can just agree to disagree.
We certainly can although in truth, there is nothing you can do to make
you the Lord's equal:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?D3DE219AA
Quoted message said:For me only G-d will be all knowing forever.
Whether that is the case is really up to God.
<snip>
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:John 6:65 remains an explanation for why you seem unable to
understand
Quoted message said:this which is written plainly:
No, your response earlier to my question about how you supported your
opinion regarding an "Omer" being 2 pounds weight was to quote the
above.
No. This remains my response to your request for an explanation why you
are unable to understand something that I have written plainly.
Quoted message said:Your response is circular and as such makes no sense not only to
me, but to most other who read and respond to your postings.
Is it your claim that you are in a position to write for others who are
reading this thread?
Quoted message said:If your
only support for your opinion is your statement of your ability to
discern the truth because of your perceived divine revelation your
opinion will continue to remain almost universally rejected.
....except by those who also have been given the Lord's spiritual gift of
truth discernment and...
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:"All **will** be revealed to those who choose to spend eternity with
Lord Jesus Christ."
Quoted message said:
<snip>
Quoted message said:Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: It seems you define your ethnicity
with
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:the choice to reject the salvation offered by the Lord.
PM response: Your judgment. I do not use my ethnicity to reject
Christianity. I reject it because it my free will to do so. The
free
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:will to choose given to me by G-d.
That is the observation made during the following discourse:
PM Question: So being Jewish denies me this information?
AC Answer: No.
PM Response to AC Answer: Your statement "All **will** be revealed to
those who choose to spend eternity with Lord Jesus Christ" contradict
your answer.
So, you have discerned that the statement I made above is false;
Because this should be obvious to the most casual observer, it remains
an observation.
Quoted message said:that
the truth is I use my ethnicity but not my free will to reject
Christianity.
In truth, you are using your ethnicity to **justify** your choice to
reject Lord Jesus Christ.
Quoted message said:If that were the case I could never have free will to
choose to be a Christian, or any other religion for that matter,
because a person can not change his ethnic background.
You may choose to become a Messianic Jew as many already have and will.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:<snip>
Quoted message said:> My history, traditions and religion suggests otherwise.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: Those who are able to discern the
truth,
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:discern otherwise.
PM response: I reject your definition of the truth.
Truth is absolute and does not require defining.
On this I agree. But your saying a "fact" is truth does not make it so.
Correct. The truth is not changed by my saying it is "fact" or anything
else and existed long before I was even born.
<snip>
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:King David accepted the Lord's words and covenants but did not have
God's gift of truth discernment. However, his son, Solomon, did
receive
Quoted message said:God's gift of truth discernment ("a discerning heart"😉 after asking
for
Quoted message said:it in prayer.
Since King Solomon received G-d's gift of truth discernment then my
point is proved. Solomon was a not christian.
If King Solomon were awoken from the dead today, his ability to discern
the truth would compel him to become a Messianic Jew.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: I too come from a long line of
people
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:who did not accept the Lord's salvation. However, since accepting
Him
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:as my personal Lord and Savior, the Holy Spirit has given me the
ability to discern the truth.
PM response: So what happened to your ancestors?
They are dead.
Quoted message said:Many of them knew of
the supposed teaching of Jesus and did not accept them.
Correct.
Quoted message said:No salvation for them?
Correct.
At this point in time, if it were the appointed time of the Messiah's
return, the following people in my life would also not have
salvation:
Quoted message said:
(1) My brother who is atheist.
(2) My brother's live-in girlfriend of 18 years who is also atheist.
(3) My sister who has converted to Judaism after marriage to a Jew.
(4) My brother-in-law, whom I love though he is Jewish.
Strange that in the family listed you would only state here your love
for brother-in-law, (even though he is Jewish.)
That is my choice to make.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:(5) My mother who is Catholic but has not accepted the Lord as her
Savior.
(6) My father who is Taoist.
(7) My mother-in-law who is Buddhist.
(8) My father-in-law who is undecided.
At your family gatherings to you preach your faith as you do on to
Usenet groups?
Yes, I have and will continue to share my faith with all.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Quoted message said:> As I am a person who fits into that definition of **anyone**,
> why do you feel a need to say that my religious beliefs are wrong
are?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: I am called by the Lord to share His
message of salvation to all who either ask about the Gospels or
attack
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:me for sharing the Gospels.
PM response: Where have I attacked you?
No. However you are asking.
Please go back and re-read the thread. My original post in this thread
offered a response about "Counting the Omer" to the original poster
(who was not you.) Since you agree that I am not attacking you and I
did not ask you to share "His message of salvation;" why did you in
your first response to me?
The Lord sensed the question in your heart and moved me to share the His
message with you.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:As for your "being called to share" this is your free will.
No. This is an act of the Lord's free will.
Your acceptance of "being called to share" is not your free will then?
Obedience is an act of free will.
Quoted message said:However, in the next sentence below you agree that you have free will.
Your statements and responses contradict each other.
Only for those who can not believe that obedience is an act of free
will.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Quoted message said:G-d
created man with free will.
It is the Lord's gift to us.
Quoted message said:Judaism, Christianity and Islam religions
hold this notion at their core. For a man (you) to say that he is
doing
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:G-d's will is to reject the free will given man and thus to reject
G-d.
Correct. Obeying God is a choice made out of one's own free will.
Quoted message said:Almost every tyrant, king, potentate, Ayatollah, etc who has done
evil throughout the ages has stated he was doing G-ds will, when in
fact that was not the case, but to the contrary, doing evil.
Would suggest you read Jeremiah 18:1-12
Yes, these passages asserts strongly that human decision is part of the
equation, part of the "if" that has great bearing on the outcome of
G-d's work. This implies that we cannot reduce this to a formula to
make G-d act in certain ways. But it also clearly says that human
beings are not robots caught up in some grand cosmic scheme that takes
no notice of human decision for good or evil. Human decisions matter,
especially as they relate to allowing G-d's purposes to work out in
the world through his people...So why do you suggest Jeremiah 18:1-12
when it exactly supports my point?
What you have judged to be evil may be the works of the Lord.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Quoted message said:G-d gave
man the choice to choose between good and evil. Sorry, but your
choice
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:to post on the Usenet is yours and not G-d's.
Correct, it is my choice done out of obedience to God.
Even if this is true the how, when and where you "share" is still your
choice and not G-ds. Or are you saying that you have a specific order
from G-d to post on the Usenet.
The Lord is with me as I type.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: I am sorry if you feel threatened by
the
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Lord's message of salvation.
PM response: From what I have written how do you discern I feel
threatened?
I sense it through reading the words that you have written. There is
much bristling. This sensing is a different ability from truth
discernment.
I will clear it up for you. I do not feel threaten. Your senses are
wrong just as your truth
discernment.
That is not what I discern.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Another judgment of me on your part?
No.
Quoted message said:How can I feel threaten by a message I do not believe in.
Perhaps you sense that the Lord is knocking on the door to your
heart.
G-d does not need to knock, for the door to my heart is always open to
him.
Is it your claim that you know what God looks like?
Quoted message said:G-d stands as a guard to my heart and soul from false prophets.
I remain simply a messenger of the Lord and not a prophet.
Quoted message said:Perhaps reading Daniel 3:16 would help you understand my true feelings.
Is it your claim that Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego did not feel
threatened by King Nebuchadnezzar?
From Daniel 3
14 and Nebuchadnezzar said to them, "Is it true, Shadrach, Meshach and
Abednego, that you do not serve my gods or worship the image of gold I
have set up? 15 Now when you hear the sound of the horn, flute, zither,
lyre, harp, pipes and all kinds of music, if you are ready to fall down
and worship the image I made, very good. But if you do not worship it,
you will be thrown immediately into a blazing furnace. Then what god
will be able to rescue you from my hand?"
16 Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to the king, "O
Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this
matter. 17 If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve
is able to save us from it, and he will rescue us from your hand, O
king. 18 But even if he does not, we want you to know, O king, that we
will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up."
May God add His blessings to the writing of His Word here on USENET in
Lord Jesus' holy name.
Amen
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:I do not feel more threaten
of the "New testament" than I assume you feel threaten by the
Koran, or the book of Mormon.
Your behavior suggests otherwise.
My words are clear and your suggestion is wrong.
The Lord's Word is clear to me in your citing Daniel 3:16 that my sense
of your feelings is true.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
<snip>
Quoted message said:Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: I have not (judged you).
(clarification added)
Quoted message said:PM response: In truth you did judge and continue to do so.
It is possible to observe sin and not automatically judge the sinner.
Quoted message said:The Messiah has taught us how by drawing the line in the sand and
asking
Quoted message said:those without sin to cross it.
Your observation is now that I am a sinner?
In truth, we all have been and will remain sinners.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:
<snip>
Quoted message said:Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: That would be the Lord's judgment
and
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:not mine.
PM response: If you write the words then it is your judgment, not
G-ds.
Quoted message said:
That would be your definition of judging and not the Lord's.
That would be your definition of judging and not G-ds. Or are you the
instrument that "your Lord" uses to judge others?
I remain simply the Lord's messenger.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: It remains my choice to refrain
from
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:judging others as the Lord has
instructed me in my walk with Him.
PM response: Since you do pass judgments, what you write does not
match
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:what you think you write. This is my discernment of the truth.
What you have written proves that you actually do not have the Lord's
gift of truth discernment. Fyi, the Lord only gives this spiritual
gift
Quoted message said:to those who pray for it as He has done for me and others and King
Solomon before us.
Frankly, from reading what you post, I do not ever want your "Lord's
gift of truth discernment." Just as G-d and not "your Lord" gave
truth discernment to Solomon, G-d gave it to me.
The Lord is God, dear neighbor. You would have known this had you been
able to discern the truth.
Quoted message said:My choice to write here today is to share with you and all who read
here the gift that g-d gave me to discern the truth about you.
It is certainly your choice to judge me although it remains my choice to
refrain from judging you.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: Truth is simple:
PM response: Your truth is simple "to you" in your opinion.
This is what I discern.
Then you have made a mistake
There is no action in discerning just as there is no action in
observing. Where there is no action, there are no mistakes.
Truth remains simple.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Quoted message said:I
reject your "truth" and therefore it can not be simple to me.
Just as you would reject what you cannot see, you have chosen to
reject
Quoted message said:the truth that you are unable to discern.
Where do you come up with such nonsense to make the statement "would
reject what I cannot see?" I reject your "truth" because I discern it
as false.
Those who can see the light recognize that darkness is the absence of
light. Similarly, those who can discern the truth recognize untruth as
the absence of truth. Those who are unable to discern the truth, grope
around in the dark judging with their feelings things to be false.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:You will remain in my prayers, dear Jewish neighbor whom I love, in
the
Quoted message said:Messiah's holy name.
The bottom line: If you truly had "love" for me in your heart, you
would accept me as I am.
I do accept you as you are, dear Jewish neighbor.
Quoted message said:I do not care that you are Christian nor do I
have any desire that you or anyone else change their faith; a persons
doing good or evil is what concerns me.
.... and so you will be judged by God using the same measure.
Quoted message said:I have had the pleasure to meet and/or know thousand who call
themselves Christian including Billy Graham and Dr. Robert Schuller.
Many of my best friends are Catholics, Baptists, Lutherans and Mormons.
None of them have ever spoken as you do.
That would be their choice.
Quoted message said:They all seem to "love" me
as I am. In their hearts, do they harbor a desire that I become a
Christian, I am sure they do. However, they have respect for me and my
beliefs and have never tried to convert me. Why do you?
In truth, I have made no attempt to convert you but to inform you.
Quoted message said:I understand you feel a calling to spread the "Gospel." However,
just as it would be inappropriate for me to come to your church and
week in and week out and be disruptive of the services with diatribes
about diabetes, food recipes, diets or heart health; your Usenet use is
an inappropriate forum for your spiritual work.
That would be your judgment and not God's.
Quoted message said:Maybe my example is not
the best, but I am sure you get the idea. Those who want your help in
spiritual matter will "clearly" ask you for it. Please respect
those who don't. My prayer for you is that you find the ability to
discern when you are being asked to share your "gospel" and when
you are not.
The Lord guides me in everything that I do, say, or write.
Quoted message said:Finally, my apologies for the off topic and cross posting. I beg your
forgiveness.
Only the Lord can forgive you of your sins, dear Jewish neighbor.
Quoted message said:My message is clear and I am done.
Since I know you are compelled to do so, you may have the last word.
The Lord will have the last word just as He has the first.
God is great !
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Truth is simple:
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You will remain in my prayers, dear Jewish neighbor whom I love, in Lord
Christ's holy name.
May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.
Here's how:
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Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)
Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.
Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)
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At His service,
Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
**
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