This morning I was commuting to work and reached a 4 way stop. I'm going to go straight and no other cars are at the intersection although a cop car is coming down the street on the right. I leave the intersection, the cop is still aproaching, gets to the intersection, stops very briefly and then makes a right turn -- while I'm already going through the intersection (a little more than half way through at this point). No sirens or anything at any time on the cop car. I have to veer left to avoid his car and come within an inch or two of his door (with me somewhat shakily at this point). He continues on.
If you cross post this message we won't have to see it in each newsgroup that it appears, it already having been seen in the first event. There is benefit for all if you do that.
This morning I was commuting to work and reached a 4 way stop. I'm going to go straight and no other cars are at the intersection although a cop car is coming down the street on the right. I leave the intersection, the cop is still aproaching, gets to the intersection, stops very briefly and then makes a right turn -- while I'm already going through the intersection (a little more than half way through at this point). No sirens or anything at any time on the cop car. I have to veer left to avoid his car and come within an inch or two of his door (with me somewhat shakily at this point). He continues on.
If you cross post this message we won't have to see it in each newsgroup that it appears, it already having been seen in the first event. There is benefit for all if you do that.
Jobst Brandt
I'm not sure what you mean. I did not cross post it, which you state, but then you say "we won't have to see it in each newsgroup that it appears" implying that I did cross post. Not sure what point you're trying to make.
This morning I was commuting to work and reached a 4 way stop. I'm going to go straight and no other cars are at the intersection although a cop car is coming down the street on the right. I leave the intersection, the cop is still aproaching, gets to the intersection, stops very briefly and then makes a right turn -- while I'm already going through the intersection (a little more than half way through at this point). No sirens or anything at any time on the cop car. I have to veer left to avoid his car and come within an inch or two of his door (with me somewhat shakily at this point). He continues on.
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If you cross post this message we won't have to see it in each newsgroup that it appears, it already having been seen in the first event. There is benefit for all if you do that.
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I'm not sure what you mean. I did not cross post it, which you state, but then you say "we won't have to see it in each newsgroup that it appears" implying that I did cross post. Not sure what point you're trying to make.
I came across this item in both rec.bicycles.tech rec.bicycles.misc and it appeared as a new message because it was not cross posted... but this message is and will be flagged as "new" only once and then it appeas as "read" in the other newsgroup.
>This morning I was commuting to work and reached a 4 way stop. I'm >going to go straight and no other cars are at the intersection >although a cop car is coming down the street on the right. I leave >the intersection, the cop is still aproaching, gets to the >intersection, stops very briefly and then makes a right turn -- >while I'm already going through the intersection (a little more than >half way through at this point). No sirens or anything at any time >on the cop car. I have to veer left to avoid his car and come within >an inch or two of his door (with me somewhat shakily at this >point). He continues on.
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If you cross post this message we won't have to see it in each newsgroup that it appears, it already having been seen in the first event. There is benefit for all if you do that.
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I'm not sure what you mean. I did not cross post it, which you state, but then you say "we won't have to see it in each newsgroup that it appears" implying that I did cross post. Not sure what point you're trying to make.
I came across this item in both rec.bicycles.tech rec.bicycles.misc and it appeared as a new message because it was not cross posted... but this message is and will be flagged as "new" only once and then it appeas as "read" in the other newsgroup.
Jobst Brandt
I only see it in r.b.m. I do, however, see your cross-post in r.b.t. I'm still confused. \\paul
-- Paul M. Hobson Georgia Institute of Technology ..:change the f to ph to reply:.
Paul Hobson <[email hidden]> wrote: :> [email hidden] wrote: :>> Charles Missing writes: :>> :>> :>>>>>This morning I was commuting to work and reached a 4 way stop. I'm :>>>>>going to go straight and no other cars are at the intersection :>>>>>although a cop car is coming down the street on the right. I leave :>>>>>the intersection, the cop is still aproaching, gets to the :>>>>>intersection, stops very briefly and then makes a right turn -- :>>>>>while I'm already going through the intersection (a little more :>>>>>than :>>>>>half way through at this point). No sirens or anything at any time :>>>>>on the cop car. I have to veer left to avoid his car and come :>>>>>within :>>>>>an inch or two of his door (with me somewhat shakily at this :>>>>>point). He continues on. :>> :>> :>>>>If you cross post this message we won't have to see it in each :>>>>newsgroup that it appears, it already having been seen in the first :>>>>event. There is benefit for all if you do that. :>> :>> :>>>I'm not sure what you mean. I did not cross post it, which you :>>>state, :>>>but then you say "we won't have to see it in each newsgroup that it :>>>appears" implying that I did cross post. Not sure what point you're :>>>trying to make. :>> :>> :>> I came across this item in both :>> rec.bicycles.tech :>> rec.bicycles.misc :>> and it appeared as a new message because it was not cross posted... :>> but this message is and will be flagged as "new" only once and then :>> it appeas as "read" in the other newsgroup. :>> :>> Jobst Brandt :> :> I only see it in r.b.m. I do, however, see your cross-post in r.b.t. :> I'm still confused.
You'll see it only once if you have your reader set to "Hide read or iqnored messages" (OE lingo). The first event will happen in the ng you first viewed the post in, so if you switch to another group the original message will be hidden (if cross-posted).
More clearly. Cross-posted messages all have the same Message-ID. Newsreaders can be configured to ignore messages with IDs that have already been viewed elsewhere.
>> This morning I was commuting to work and reached a 4 way >> stop. I'm going to go straight and no other cars are at the >> intersection although a cop car is coming down the street on the >> right. I leave the intersection, the cop is still approaching, >> gets to the intersection, stops very briefly and then makes a >> right turn -- while I'm already going through the intersection >> (a little more than half way through at this point). No sirens >> or anything at any time on the cop car. I have to veer left to >> avoid his car and come within an inch or two of his door (with >> me somewhat shakily at this point). He continues on.
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> If you cross post this message we won't have to see it in each > newsgroup that it appears, it already having been seen in the > first event. There is benefit for all if you do that.
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I'm not sure what you mean. I did not cross post it, which you state, but then you say "we won't have to see it in each newsgroup that it appears" implying that I did cross post. Not sure what point you're trying to make.
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I came across this item in both rec.bicycles.tech rec.bicycles.misc
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and it appeared as a new message because it was not cross posted... but this message is and will be flagged as "new" only once and then it appears as "read" in the other newsgroup and therefore an intelligent news server will not show it again because it has already been seen (elsewhere)...
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I only see it in r.b.m. I do, however, see your cross-post in r.b.t. I'm still confused.
I read both newsgroups and then some, and find encountering the same message repeatedly unnecessary clutter. Better newsreaders advance to the next unread item in a thread instead of showing things that have already been read. Your newsreader may not have that capability but, as I said, the better ones do. There are several thousand postings in -tech and -misc groups. I don't care to review those that I have previously read or flagged as having been read.
>>>This morning I was commuting to work and reached a 4 way >>>stop. I'm going to go straight and no other cars are at the >>>intersection although a cop car is coming down the street on the >>>right. I leave the intersection, the cop is still approaching, >>>gets to the intersection, stops very briefly and then makes a >>>right turn -- while I'm already going through the intersection >>>(a little more than half way through at this point). No sirens >>>or anything at any time on the cop car. I have to veer left to >>>avoid his car and come within an inch or two of his door (with >>>me somewhat shakily at this point). He continues on.
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>>If you cross post this message we won't have to see it in each >>newsgroup that it appears, it already having been seen in the >>first event. There is benefit for all if you do that.
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>I'm not sure what you mean. I did not cross post it, which you >state, but then you say "we won't have to see it in each newsgroup >that it appears" implying that I did cross post. Not sure what >point you're trying to make.
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I came across this item in both rec.bicycles.tech rec.bicycles.misc
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and it appeared as a new message because it was not cross posted... but this message is and will be flagged as "new" only once and then it appears as "read" in the other newsgroup and therefore an intelligent news server will not show it again because it has already been seen (elsewhere)...
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I only see it in r.b.m. I do, however, see your cross-post in r.b.t. I'm still confused.
I read both newsgroups and then some, and find encountering the same message repeatedly unnecessary clutter. Better newsreaders advance to the next unread item in a thread instead of showing things that have already been read. Your newsreader may not have that capability but, as I said, the better ones do. There are several thousand postings in -tech and -misc groups. I don't care to review those that I have previously read or flagged as having been read.
Jobst Brandt
does anyone know if thunderbird has this capibility? and how to turn it on if it does if not, what are some of the "better" ones that do? thanks Mike
>>>>This morning I was commuting to work and reached a 4 way >>>>stop. I'm going to go straight and no other cars are at the >>>>intersection although a cop car is coming down the street on the >>>>right. I leave the intersection, the cop is still approaching, >>>>gets to the intersection, stops very briefly and then makes a >>>>right turn -- while I'm already going through the intersection >>>>(a little more than half way through at this point). No sirens >>>>or anything at any time on the cop car. I have to veer left to >>>>avoid his car and come within an inch or two of his door (with >>>>me somewhat shakily at this point). He continues on.
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>>>If you cross post this message we won't have to see it in each >>>newsgroup that it appears, it already having been seen in the >>>first event. There is benefit for all if you do that.
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>>I'm not sure what you mean. I did not cross post it, which you >>state, but then you say "we won't have to see it in each newsgroup >>that it appears" implying that I did cross post. Not sure what >>point you're trying to make.
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>I came across this item in both > rec.bicycles.tech > rec.bicycles.misc
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>and it appeared as a new message because it was not cross posted... >but this message is and will be flagged as "new" only once and then >it appears as "read" in the other newsgroup and therefore an >intelligent news server will not show it again because it has >already been seen (elsewhere)...
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I only see it in r.b.m. I do, however, see your cross-post in r.b.t. I'm still confused.
I read both newsgroups and then some, and find encountering the same message repeatedly unnecessary clutter. Better newsreaders advance to the next unread item in a thread instead of showing things that have already been read. Your newsreader may not have that capability but, as I said, the better ones do. There are several thousand postings in -tech and -misc groups. I don't care to review those that I have previously read or flagged as having been read.
Jobst Brandt
does anyone know if thunderbird has this capibility? and how to turn it on if it does if not, what are some of the "better" ones that do? thanks Mike
Thunderbird does have this ability; somewhere in the preferences is an option to "filter read messages" Then only unread messages appear when you open the newsgroup. Pan also has this ability. Pan also seems to be able to filter out messages even if they have been read in another group! So cross-posted messages appear only once. Don't know about others.
Pan also has this ability. Pan also seems to be able to filter out messages even if they have been read in another group!
Fully deserving of an exclamation mark, given that this is something all halfway decent newsreaders have done forever.
Seriously. I'm not saying they aren't out there, but I've never heard of a newsreader that doesn't handle crosspostings correctly. -- David Damerell <[email hidden]> Kill the tomato! Today is Second Mania, January.
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If you cross post this message we won't have to see it in each newsgroup that it appears, it already having been seen in the first event. There is benefit for all if you do that.
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I'm not sure what you mean. I did not cross post it, which you state, but then you say "we won't have to see it in each newsgroup that it appears" implying that I did cross post. Not sure what point you're trying to make.
I never saw the original message. I read r.b.tech, I don't read r.b.misc.
Jobst is saying that crossposting is better than multiposting. I agree with that. If you look up those terms, I think you'll understand what he is saying. But since I didn't see the original post, I don't think you multiposted.
This morning I was commuting to work and reached a 4 way stop. I'm going to go straight and no other cars are at the intersection although a cop car is coming down the street on the right. I leave the intersection, the cop is still aproaching, gets to the intersection, stops very briefly and then makes a right turn -- while I'm already going through the intersection (a little more than half way through at this point). No sirens or anything at any time on the cop car. I have to veer left to avoid his car and come within an inch or two of his door (with me somewhat shakily at this point). He continues on.
If you cross post this message we won't have to see it in each newsgroup that it appears, it already having been seen in the first event. There is benefit for all if you do that.
Looking at the thread from the OP on, Jobst, this reply of /yours/ was the very first to include (add) rb-tech. Others are seeing/reporting the same thing.
I read both newsgroups and then some, and find encountering the same message repeatedly unnecessary clutter. Better newsreaders advance to the next unread item in a thread instead of showing things that have already been read. Your newsreader may not have that capability but, as I said, the better ones do. There are several thousand postings in -tech and -misc groups. I don't care to review those that I have previously read or flagged as having been read.
This doesn't explain why, when a message was posted to r.b.m (only, I looked at the original item's headers) *you* cross-posted it into r.b.t in your response; the logic is entirely absent. The original message was in one newsgroup. There was no Followups-to: header in that message, so it would not have caused a cross-posted response without intervention. Unless your newsreader is massively broken, even you should have seen it in only one group until you cross-posted it.
Since *this* matter is off-topic for the original subject, I have removed r.b.m from the header of this post to keep the other group's thread from needlessly expanding. -- Typoes are a feature, not a bug. Some gardening required to reply via email. Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.
I read both newsgroups and then some, and find encountering the same message repeatedly unnecessary clutter. Better newsreaders advance to the next unread item in a thread instead of showing things that have already been read. Your newsreader may not have that capability but, as I said, the better ones do. There are several thousand postings in -tech and -misc groups. I don't care to review those that I have previously read or flagged as having been read.
This doesn't explain why, when a message was posted to r.b.m (only, I looked at the original item's headers) *you* cross-posted it into r.b.t in your response; the logic is entirely absent. The original message was in one newsgroup. There was no Followups-to: header in that message, so it would not have caused a cross-posted response without intervention. Unless your newsreader is massively broken, even you should have seen it in only one group until you cross-posted it.
100% correct.
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Since *this* matter is off-topic for the original subject, I have removed r.b.m from the header of this post to keep the other group's thread from needlessly expanding.
Yet JB will flame someone for posting a /ride report/ in r.b.m.!
Thunderbird does have this ability; somewhere in the preferences is an option to "filter read messages" Then only unread messages appear when you open the newsgroup. Pan also has this ability. Pan also seems to be able to filter out messages even if they have been read in another group! So cross-posted messages appear only once. Don't know about others.
I use Thunderbird at home on this OpenBSD laptop and OE at work on Windows. And for the life of me I can't figure out how to set this preference on Thunderbird. When I'm using Thunderbird I dread stuff crossposted between the 2 Mac newsgroups I follow.
Greg
-- "All my time I spent in heaven Revelries of dance and wine Waking to the sound of laughter Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons
Thunderbird does have this ability; somewhere in the preferences is an option to "filter read messages" Then only unread messages appear when you open the newsgroup. Pan also has this ability. Pan also seems to be able to filter out messages even if they have been read in another group! So cross-posted messages appear only once. Don't know about others.
I use Thunderbird at home on this OpenBSD laptop and OE at work on Windows. And for the life of me I can't figure out how to set this preference on Thunderbird. When I'm using Thunderbird I dread stuff crossposted between the 2 Mac newsgroups I follow.
I don't think it knows how. Thunderbird is OK, but it has lots of its own quirks. I'm thinking of switching back to OE, myself (after 9 mos so far). Firefox is OK, unless you need to visit a MS site. I've had shopping carts auto-empty a few times, too, but I think that's been fixed now that FF is like 10% of clients.
This morning I was commuting to work and reached a 4 way stop. I'm going to go straight and no other cars are at the intersection although a cop car is coming down the street on the right. I leave the intersection, the cop is still aproaching, gets to the intersection, stops very briefly and then makes a right turn -- while I'm already going through the intersection (a little more than half way through at this point). No sirens or anything at any time on the cop car. I have to veer left to avoid his car and come within an inch or two of his door (with me somewhat shakily at this point). He continues on.
If you cross post this message we won't have to see it in each newsgroup that it appears, it already having been seen in the first event. There is benefit for all if you do that.
Jobst Brandt
Thanks all for the SIXTEEN posts on cross posting, none on Charles' post.
My view is that cops are just people driving their car and I don't think he came close to you cuz he's a cop. I get dusted off by cars all the time, turning in front of me while I'm in the bike lane going straight frequently. Most car drivers are lazy and inattentive and they just don't notice bicycles. Maybe when gas is $6 per gallon and scarce and they have to walk or take the bus they will see how quickly bicycles 'get there'.
