Re: Colons Shiny Pink, No Problems

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Subject: Re: Colons Shiny Pink, No Problems
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 4/3/2004 9:40 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

hmmmm...let's review what Janny..with NO actual experience contributes to the
above topic...as usual she doesn't read...or comprehend if she does read

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http://www.aafp.org/afp/980915ap/

this site discusses "constipation"...primarily in nursing home and elderly
folks (BTW Janny...even with constipation..the colon is shiny and pink)

it states "folks must be questioned about their use of supplements and
homeopathic remedies".....

now WHY is that ??

it states "chronic use of laxatives must be avoided"...

now WHY is that??

recommend diets high in fiber,,lots of fluids and exercise (if possible)....

laxatives ONLY as a last resort (stool softeners OK)

now WHERE have WE of EOM been saying that??

I loved the quote "2500 years ago Hippocrates said intestines become sluggish
with age"

firstly 2500 years ago not many folks LIVED to old age!!

secondly...the great H could only guess...no colonoscopies CT etc back then!!

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http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/newsletter0205.html

ahhh...now from the expert Wolfe..

what is an "AC, PhD"...anyway???

his site contains those weird photos of grostesque colons...and mostly total
nonsense

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ttp://www.healthandage.com/Home/gm=0!gc=15!gid2=1801

ahhhh...data on diverticulosis

nothing new here...interesting that it states "80-85%" of diverticulosis NEVER
have symptoms...ie they are there..they cause no problems..there is NO need for
colonics..etc..
their stats ....30% of folks 50-70 year olds have tics...50% of those over 70..

I believe I said "about 50% of folks over 50"...sounds the same to me....

BTW the site has a huge innaccuracy...in the description of diverticulitis
they are describing peritonitis!!

hmm..careful getting info from sites that do not know the difference between
the two!!

Last site concerned colostomies for spinal cord injured folks???

and that had what to do with the topic??

give it up Janny
hawki.....

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what is an "AC, PhD"...anyway???

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Subject: Re: Colons Shiny Pink, No Problems
From: "Kim" [email hidden]
Date: 4/3/2004 4:09 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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what is an "AC, PhD"...anyway???

I guess hawki doesn't know how to find out?

"The road to good health requires a proven program

- Darrell L. Wolfe, Ac, PhD, Health Practitioner for Over 25 Years

Darrell L. Wolfe guides people, many chronically ill, with private personalized
instruction. As President of the North American Institute for the Advancement
of Colon Therapy and owner of his own clinic for the past 25 years, Dr. Wolfe
has developed a self-help strategy for health regeneration that is on the
leading edge of today's holistic health care field.

Dr. Wolfe teaches people how to care for themselves and protect themselves with
proven natural but extremely effective methods.

All consultations are done by telephone from the comfort of your own home - no
endless waiting in the doctor's office and no expensive consultation fees. For
over 25 years, countless success stories have proven this system works.

Dr. Wolfe holds a PhD in Nutritional Philosophy, and a Doctorate in Homeopathic
Acupuncture. He is a Registered Massage Therapist, Deep Muscle Therapist,
Certified Colon Therapist, and Nutritional Consultant. As well, for the past 14
years, he has operated a Correspondence School for Deep Tissue Massage.

He has produced and hosted many television health programs and has been a guest
on numerous national talk shows. His published books include:

"Body Alive: Wolfe Whole Body Cleansing and Rebuilding"

"The Health Maintenance Manual"

"The Power To Heal"

"Colon Therapy Training Manual"

and his best selling book, "The Health You Deserve".

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Subject: Re: Colons Shiny Pink, No Problems
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 4/3/2004 4:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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I guess hawki doesn't know how to find out?

actually the question was tongue in cheek..

but thanks Janny for the bio

so actually he is a nothing

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Dr. Wolfe holds a PhD in Nutritional Philosophy, an

there is NO such recognized PhD

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nd a Doctorate in Homeopathic
Acupuncture.

also no such recognized doctorate

(both mailorder or matchbook degrees)

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He is a Registered Massage Therapist,

this one may be real....but surely does NOT make him a colon specialist

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Certified Colon Therapist, and Nutritional Consultant. As well, for the past
14
years, he has operated a Correspondence School for Deep Tissue Massage.

no such recognized degree as "colon therapist"....nor nutritional consultant..

"correspondence school" teach massage?? hmmm...now that is interesting...how
do you teach how to massage via correspondence

these kinds of "credentials" only prove my point...only the likes of Janny Drew
would respect..and believe...whatever this guy says...

he has NO legitimate credentials..

I personally am supremely offended that such a person sells himself as an
expert when he obviously may be truly only qualified to give a massage...which
around here takes about 100 hours...ie less than a month..

try again Jannie...
hawki.....

It appears that one can become a Certified Colon Therapist (sometimes
known as a Hydrotherapist) in the US by taking a 100 hour course over 8
days & passing some sort of a test. This course is given at various
locations in the US, but seems to eminate from Texas.

Check out

news2news.com/news/iris/2000/8/
a_4_5.htm

by Diana Christiana Picciottoli, a real live CCT.

(Jan) said:

http://www.aafp.org/afp/980915ap/schaefer.html

http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/newsletter0205.html

healthandage.comgm=0!gc=15!gid2=1801Open ↗

http://www.craighospital.org/SCI/METS/colostomies.asp

These are interesting.
From the first one:
www.aafp.org/afp/980915ap/schaefer.html

"Complaints related to constipation account for over 2.5 million physician
visits every year.5 In addition, persons seeking symptomatic relief of
constipation spend more than $400 million per year on laxatives.6"

Four hundred million dollars a year.
A lucrative industry.

--
http://costofwar.com/
www.unicef.org/sowc02/g31.htm

On 04 Apr 2004 04:05:53 GMT, Toby Joe <[email hidden]>

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"Complaints related to constipation account for over 2.5 million physician
visits every year.5 In addition, persons seeking symptomatic relief of
constipation spend more than $400 million per year on laxatives.6"

Four hundred million dollars a year.
A lucrative industry.

It certainly is. And laxative abuse is one of the causes of
constipation.

People need to be educated about the normal frequency of bowel
movements which can be as few as 3 per week. Each person is different.
Sadly there are those who think they need to have a bowel movement
every day, abuse laxatives and make their problem much worse.

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance

(Jan) said:

At least 75 percent of elderly hospitalized patients and nursing home residents
use laxatives for bowel regulation.

Indeed. Much of it is caused by side effects of medication. For
example Elavil is a major cause of constipation and bowels shutting
down especially in the elderly. Sadly there are those who take Elavil
to cover up the real problem. But we don't know anyone who does that
do we Jan??:-))

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Constipation is more than an annoying problem. Persons with chronic
constipation have been shown to have a diminished perception of their quality
of life.

But I thought you said "Life is Grand"!!

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Fecal impaction, incontinence, colonic dilatation and even
perforation can complicate constipation. In addition, constipation may signal
more troubling underlying problems, such as colonic dysmotility or mass
lesions.

<snip>

Indeed. Elavil can cause paralytic ileus (bowels shutting down). Lord
knows why anyone would want to take a drug that only covers up the
real problem. I think that they should find the root of the problem
and not just cover it up. I am sure Jan Drew agrees with me.

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance

(Jan) said:

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From: Toby Joe [email hidden]
Four hundred million dollars a year.
A lucrative industry.

At least 75 percent of elderly hospitalized patients and nursing home
residents use laxatives for bowel regulation.4

Constipation is more than an annoying problem. Persons with chronic
constipation have been shown to have a diminished perception of their
quality of life.7 Fecal impaction, incontinence, colonic dilatation and
even perforation can complicate constipation. In addition, constipation
may signal more troubling underlying problems, such as colonic
dysmotility or mass lesions.

And yet despite all that, there are posters here who continue to assert
that "most people" have lovely sparkly clean colons, cleaner than a new
baby's freshly washed bum, and have no need of being washed clean by
irrigation.

Given that some of those people who have had long term chronic constipation
are in effect living with their own personal toxic waste dump, how can they
be so sure that it is not connected with other diseases the person may have
also, not excluding cancer and not excluding dementia.

And with the tax profits from the four hundred million dollar industry
(laxatives alone, and that was in '93, bet it's more than that now!)- it is
not as if they can't afford, from that, to do studies on possible
preventative and alleviation methods such as c. irrigation, which is simply
washing out the colon.

[snip]

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Stimulant laxatives are by far the most frequently ****prescribed**** and
purchased class of laxatives. These agents promote stooling by altering
electrolyte transport in the intestinal mucosa and increasing colonic
motility. With chronic use, however, stimulant laxatives may damage the
myenteric plexus and result in colonic dysmotility. As previously noted,
anthraquinone derivatives such as senna, cascara and aloe may cause
colonic mucosal pigmentation and are thought to directly damage the
myenteric nerves. Phenolphthalein, a common ingredient in some
over-the-counter laxative preparations, has been associated with
photosensitivity, dermatitis and the Stevens-Johnson syndrome

Jan

--
http://costofwar.com/
http://www.millennium-debate.org/ind1dec032.htm

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Subject: Re: Colons Shiny Pink, No Problems
From: [email hidden]
Date: 4/3/2004 7:25 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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t appears that one can become a Certified Colon Therapist (sometimes
known as a Hydrotherapist) in the US by taking a 100 hour course over 8
days & passing some sort of a test. This course is given at various
locations in the US, but seems to eminate from Texas.

and yet Toby and Jan compare these people with truly educated medical people
who have "actual experience" in examing with scopes thousands upon thousands of
colons (the vast majority of which ARE shiny pink)...

it is truly scarey to think of putting ones colon "health" into the
hands..literally..of a person with 100 measly hours of "training"..

yikes...the guy who changes your car's oil has more training than that...

I ask ya...do you think such a person would be able to recognize a colon
perforation if his "procedure" caused one??? or what to do about it ??

why not let a toddler do your next perm...about the same level of competence

but hey....those of YOU obessessed with the "putrid toxic gunk" in your
colons...go at it...

please stay out of my ER if and when you get into trouble

hawki.....

In article said:

On 04 Apr 2004 04:05:53 GMT, Toby Joe <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Complaints related to constipation account for over 2.5 million physician
visits every year.5 In addition, persons seeking symptomatic relief of
constipation spend more than $400 million per year on laxatives.6"

Four hundred million dollars a year.
A lucrative industry.

It certainly is. And laxative abuse is one of the causes of
constipation.

Indeed, and constipation from laxative abuse leads to the use of even
more laxatives and enemas to try to correct the problem--a vicious cycle.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

Soulless Reprobate & Steaming Bag of Feces Fetishist said:

Dr. Wolfe holds a PhD in Nutritional Philosophy, and a Doctorate in
Homeopathic
Acupuncture.

Homeopathic Acupuncture? Do they use needles that consist of ZERO molecules?

What in the Blue Hell is Homeopathic Acupuncture?

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Kathy37 said:

It appears that one can become a Certified Colon Therapist (sometimes
known as a Hydrotherapist) in the US by taking a 100 hour course over 8
days & passing some sort of a test. This course is given at various
locations in the US, but seems to eminate from Texas.

"eminate"...Nice word choice!

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In article said:

On 04 Apr 2004 04:05:53 GMT, Toby Joe <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Complaints related to constipation account for over 2.5 million physician
visits every year.5 In addition, persons seeking symptomatic relief of
constipation spend more than $400 million per year on laxatives.6"

Four hundred million dollars a year.
A lucrative industry.

It certainly is. And laxative abuse is one of the causes of
constipation.

Indeed, and constipation from laxative abuse leads to the use of even
more laxatives and enemas to try to correct the problem--a vicious cycle.

Yes, and what of those who abuse laxatives, Coffee Enemas, and take Elavil and
Neurontin daily?

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--
Orac

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Subject: Re: Colons Shiny Pink, No Problems
From: [email hidden] (Unfiltered Ilsa)
Date: 4/6/2004 5:41 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Soulless Reprobate & Steaming Bag of Feces Fetishist

Name calling?? Not a sign of a mature prson. Kidsdoc

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Quoted message said:

Dr. Wolfe holds a PhD in Nutritional Philosophy, and a Doctorate in
Homeopathic
Acupuncture.

Homeopathic Acupuncture? Do they use needles that consist of ZERO molecules?

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What in the Blue Hell is Homeopathic Acupuncture?

http:www.google.com

Jan

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Subject: Re: Colons Shiny Pink, No Problems
From: [email hidden] (Unfiltered Ilsa)
Date: 4/6/2004 5:44 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

In article said:

On 04 Apr 2004 04:05:53 GMT, Toby Joe <[email hidden]>
wrote:

>"Complaints related to constipation account for over 2.5 million

physician

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Quoted message said:

>visits every year.5 In addition, persons seeking symptomatic relief of
>constipation spend more than $400 million per year on laxatives.6"
>
>Four hundred million dollars a year.
>A lucrative industry.

It certainly is. And laxative abuse is one of the causes of
constipation.

Indeed, and constipation from laxative abuse leads to the use of even
more laxatives and enemas to try to correct the problem--a vicious cycle.

Yes, and what of those who abuse laxatives, Coffee Enemas, and take Elavil and

Neurontin daily?

Good question, do tell us.

Jan

In article <[email hidden]>,

Unfiltered Ilsa said:

Kathy37 said:

It appears that one can become a Certified Colon Therapist (sometimes
known as a Hydrotherapist) in the US by taking a 100 hour course over 8
days & passing some sort of a test. This course is given at various
locations in the US, but seems to eminate from Texas.

"eminate"...Nice word choice!

I wondered about this "100 hours over 8 days." That'd be about 12
hours of instruction per day. That's an awfully long day, and I have
trouble believing that most people could maintain their concentration
over such an extended stint.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Colons Shiny Pink, No Problems
From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 4/6/2004 7:18 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

In article <[email hidden]>,

Unfiltered Ilsa said:

Kathy37 said:

It appears that one can become a Certified Colon Therapist (sometimes
known as a Hydrotherapist) in the US by taking a 100 hour course over 8
days & passing some sort of a test. This course is given at various
locations in the US, but seems to eminate from Texas.

"eminate"...Nice word choice!

I wondered about this "100 hours over 8 days." That'd be about 12
hours of instruction per day. That's an awfully long day, and I have
trouble believing that most people could maintain their concentration
over such an extended stint.

-- David Wright

Hmm, well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I have said that for a long time!!!

Do tell us David, WHY the medical profession has no limit on hours worked?????

Do these over worked medical people maintain their concentration in a
hospital???

YOU DON'T SUPPOSE THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SO MANY NEEDLESS DEATHS AND MISTAKES DO
YOU????????????????????????

Isn't it strange David only notices this in an alternative setting???????????

He's a good little *gang* member.

Jan

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Unfiltered Ilsa said:

Kathy37 said:

It appears that one can become a Certified Colon Therapist (sometimes
known as a Hydrotherapist) in the US by taking a 100 hour course over 8
days & passing some sort of a test. This course is given at various
locations in the US, but seems to eminate from Texas.

"eminate"...Nice word choice!

I wondered about this "100 hours over 8 days." That'd be about 12
hours of instruction per day. That's an awfully long day, and I have
trouble believing that most people could maintain their concentration
over such an extended stint.

Even considering that the "academic" hour is 50 minutes as opposed to 60,
that's about 85 hours in 8 days. That's pretty grueling.

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-- David Wright