Re: Coconut Oil

"Steve Wertz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Mark Thorson said:

Steve Wertz said:

What else is coconut oil especially good for?

Cardiovascular disease. Unlike other vegetable oils,
it's highly saturated -- more saturated than lard.

I guess that's why those SE Asians live so long, coconut and palm
oil being the most common oil in most of those countries.

-sw

You got it steve.
Coconut oil is one of the healthiest oils around.,
I use it for almost anything I fry.
It is a little expensive but well worth it when you smell that wonderful
fragrance as it heats up.

For fried shrimp I get the oil almost to smoking. Dump in the (floured)
shrimp. Toss in a couple of finely chopped cloves.
Flip the shrimp around for about three minutes.
Squeeze a fresh lime over all and plate.
Heaven!

Ken.

"Steve Wertz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Mark Thorson said:

Steve Wertz said:

What else is coconut oil especially good for?

Cardiovascular disease. Unlike other vegetable oils,
it's highly saturated -- more saturated than lard.

I guess that's why those SE Asians live so long, coconut and palm
oil being the most common oil in most of those countries.

-sw

If you're a smoothie drinker, you can add it to them. Not sure about a
recipe, just sort of wing it with banana and stuff like that.

-T

Ken Davey said:

"Steve Wertz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Mark Thorson said:

Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> What else is coconut oil especially good for?

Cardiovascular disease. Unlike other vegetable oils,
it's highly saturated -- more saturated than lard.

I guess that's why those SE Asians live so long, coconut and palm
oil being the most common oil in most of those countries.

-sw

You got it steve.
Coconut oil is one of the healthiest oils around.,
I use it for almost anything I fry.
It is a little expensive but well worth it when you smell that
wonderful fragrance as it heats up.

For fried shrimp I get the oil almost to smoking. Dump in the
(floured) shrimp. Toss in a couple of finely chopped cloves.
Flip the shrimp around for about three minutes.
Squeeze a fresh lime over all and plate.
Heaven!

Ken.

That sounds like an excellent idea, Ken. I'd, personally, panko the shrimp
and then fry it. But yeah, this sounds like a good idea.

kili

moriarty said:

If you're a smoothie drinker, you can add it to them. Not sure about a
recipe, just sort of wing it with banana and stuff like that.

You trying to make a Pina Colada or soemthing?

-sw

Ken Davey said:

You got it steve.
Coconut oil is one of the healthiest oils around.,

Wrong. It is among the worst. Saturated fats
like those in coconut oil contribute to
cardiovascular disease. Few associations between
harmful behaviors and adverse health consequences
are as well-documented as this one.

For more information, see:

Quoting from:
http://www.webdietitian.com/document/CVTopic/topic/pencvsaturatedfattyacids

The major food sources of saturated fats are animal
fats, such as red meats (beef, pork, veal, lamb, ham)
and whole milk dairy products (milk, butter, ice cream,
hard cheese, cottage cheese, yogurt). Chicken and
turkey (prepared skinless) contain less saturated fat,
and the saturated fat that they do have resides mostly
in the skin. The plant oils that are high in saturated fat
are palm oil, coconut oil, and palm kernel oil (tropical
oils.)

Some saturated fats are more atherogenic than others.
The specific fatty acids that raise LDL-cholesterol the
most are myristic (C14:0) and lauric (C12:0) found in
butterfat and in tropical oils (coconut and palm kernel
oil). Palmitic acid (C16:0), the most prevalent fatty acid
in the food supply, raises LDL-C levels in most studies.
Stearic acid (C18:0) the next most prevalent does not
raise or lower LDL-C. However, it appears to stimulate
blood clotting.

Quoting from:
http://www.diet-and-health.net/Diseases/Cardiovascular.html

The effects of high-oleic safflower oil (monounsaturated),
high-linoleic safflower oil (polyunsaturated), and palm oil
(saturated) on blood cholesterol levels were compared in
normal and hypertriglyceridemic patients. Both the high
monounsaturated and the high polyunsaturated fatty acids
achieved similar results, lowering of total cholesterol.

In another study, beef fat, coconut oil, and safflower oil
were exchanged in the diets of healthy normal volunteers.
Mean plasma total cholesterol was lower on the safflower
oil diet compared with the habitual diet. Mean plasma
total cholesterol on the beef diet was higher than on
the diet containing safflower oil and lower than on the
diet containing coconut oil. [Reiser, et al]

Mark Thorson said:

Ken Davey said:

You got it steve.
Coconut oil is one of the healthiest oils around.,

Wrong. It is among the worst. Saturated fats
like those in coconut oil contribute to
cardiovascular disease. Few associations between
harmful behaviors and adverse health consequences
are as well-documented as this one.

The latest info I can find has people, researchers, scientists and
doctors all backpedaling on the dangers of coconut oil. In fact most
seem to say it is a heart healthy, downright, good-for-you food.

Sites are here:
http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/coconut_oil.html

http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/28/coconut_health.htm

ANd to quote this site:
http://www.coconut-connections.com/healthiest_oil.htm

"Why do some say that coconut oil is bad for you? Tropical oils were
very popular in the US food industry prior to World War II. The US is
the largest exporter of soybeans. The well oiled marketing machinery
funded by the soy bean and corn industry and supported by the American
Heart Association was committed to change the American Diet, calling
among others, for the substitution of saturated fats for
polyunsaturates. The Prudent Diet, as it was called, left a legacy which
still haunts us today. 40 years on, this conceptual change in the eating
habits of Americans has negatively influenced and changed the dietary
regimes of societies all around the world that were initially not even
affected by America's particular meat, potato and milk diet. So
determined was the pursuit of the American industries in converting
their claims into magnificent billboards of health and wealth that even
small island nations in the South Pacific were converted by this
powerful marketing machine to change centuries of dietary traditions of
tropical oils to importing polyunsaturated fats. Today heart disease is
still on the increase and obesity, linked to the “new” American diet, is
a major social problem worldwide that has governments worried about the
health care cost of future generations. The U.K. and Australia
unfortunately, are racing to catch up to their allies with a large
percentage of the population being defined as overweight.

Studies were done to show that coconut oil, and all saturated fats, were
bad for one's health because they raised serum cholesterol levels.
However, these studies were done on hydrogenated coconut oil, and all
hydrogenated oils produce higher serum cholesterol levels, whether they
are saturated or not. Recent research shows that it is the presence of
trans fatty acids that causes health problems, as they are fatty acid
chains that have been altered from their original form in nature by the
oil refining process.

Although many studies at the time had also shown research to the
contrary, the mud stuck and by the mid 60’s the reputation of all
saturated oils in America had been destroyed. This reputation later
extended to the rest of the western world."

Melondy

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Ken Davey said:

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On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:58:55 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:

> Steve Wertz wrote:
>>
>> What else is coconut oil especially good for?
>
> Cardiovascular disease. Unlike other vegetable oils,
> it's highly saturated -- more saturated than lard.

I guess that's why those SE Asians live so long, coconut and palm
oil being the most common oil in most of those countries.

-sw

You got it steve.
Coconut oil is one of the healthiest oils around.,
I use it for almost anything I fry.
It is a little expensive but well worth it when you smell that
wonderful fragrance as it heats up.

For fried shrimp I get the oil almost to smoking. Dump in the
(floured) shrimp. Toss in a couple of finely chopped cloves.

THIS SHOULD READ CLOVES 'OF GARLIC'.
I butterfly the shrimp first.
Ken.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Flip the shrimp around for about three minutes.
Squeeze a fresh lime over all and plate.
Heaven!

Ken.

That sounds like an excellent idea, Ken. I'd, personally, panko the
shrimp
and then fry it. But yeah, this sounds like a good idea.

kili

Mark Thorson said:

Ken Davey said:

You got it steve.
Coconut oil is one of the healthiest oils around.,

Wrong. It is among the worst. Saturated fats
like those in coconut oil contribute to
cardiovascular disease. Few associations between
harmful behaviors and adverse health consequences
are as well-documented as this one.

For more information, see:

We could turn this into a pissing match by throwing around
alternating pro and con references to research and studies
regarding saturated fats and tropical oils, but as I've learned -
no matter what happens, Mark Thorson will never give up. You
only see things one-sided.

Instead, I'd like to use my valuable time to cook and enjoy
what's rest of my life. If I die next year, I don't want it to
be at the end of a 6-month pissing match with MT.

ObFood: Ikea Sweedish Meatballs for lunch. I would have rather
had a double portion of Swanson's with the parslied noodles for
$1 less.

And call me crazy, but I don't think Ikea is that great of a
store. The last straw was when they wanted to charge $.05/ea for
bags to carry home your purchases - the same bags you get at the
grocery store, for free. What [censored] public relations.

-sw

Steve Wertz said:

ObFood: Ikea Sweedish Meatballs for lunch. I would have rather
had a double portion of Swanson's with the parslied noodles for
$1 less.

And call me crazy, but I don't think Ikea is that great of a
store. The last straw was when they wanted to charge $.05/ea for
bags to carry home your purchases - the same bags you get at the
grocery store, for free. What [censored] public relations.

-sw

but if you commit suicide with an ikea plastic bag over your head,
people will think you have class.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy said:

Steve Wertz said:

ObFood: Ikea Sweedish Meatballs for lunch. I would have rather
had a double portion of Swanson's with the parslied noodles for
$1 less.

And call me crazy, but I don't think Ikea is that great of a
store. The last straw was when they wanted to charge $.05/ea for
bags to carry home your purchases - the same bags you get at the
grocery store, for free. What [censored] public relations.

-sw

but if you commit suicide with an ikea plastic bag over your head,
people will think you have class.

And that you were cunning enough to assemble the plastic bag...

--
Best
Greg

blake murphy said:

but if you commit suicide with an ikea plastic bag over your head,
people will think you have class.

You would think their superior Scandinavian designs would prevent
that.

-sw

Steve Wertz wrote on 27 Mar 2007 in rec.food.cooking

Quoted message said:

blake murphy said:

but if you commit suicide with an ikea plastic bag over your head,
people will think you have class.

You would think their superior Scandinavian designs would prevent
that.

-sw

Coconut oil (If I remember correctly) is being used in a formula to create
a healthy oil/margerine spread. This formula is still in the testing stage
and is very good for you and tasty as well. Cholesteral wise that is.

Melondy said:

Mark Thorson said:

Ken Davey said:

You got it steve.
Coconut oil is one of the healthiest oils around.,

Wrong. It is among the worst. Saturated fats
like those in coconut oil contribute to
cardiovascular disease. Few associations between
harmful behaviors and adverse health consequences
are as well-documented as this one.

The latest info I can find has people, researchers, scientists and
doctors all backpedaling on the dangers of coconut oil. In fact most
seem to say it is a heart healthy, downright, good-for-you food.

Sites are here:
http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/coconut_oil.html

Weston Price was a famous quack dentist:

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/holisticdent.html

Quoted message said:

http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/28/coconut_health.htm

Mercola was ordered by the FDA to stop making false
claims about coconut oil:

http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/mercola.html

Quoted message said:

ANd to quote this site:
http://www.coconut-connections.com/healthiest_oil.htm

That's a web site SELLING coconut oil.
And yet, that's the best evidence you can
scrape up.

The scientific evidence is against coconut oil.
It's more saturated than lard, and raises
cholesterol more than beef fat.

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Melondy said:

Mark Thorson said:

Ken Davey wrote:
> You got it steve.
> Coconut oil is one of the healthiest oils around.,

Wrong. It is among the worst. Saturated fats
like those in coconut oil contribute to
cardiovascular disease. Few associations between
harmful behaviors and adverse health consequences
are as well-documented as this one.

The latest info I can find has people, researchers, scientists and
doctors all backpedaling on the dangers of coconut oil. In fact most
seem to say it is a heart healthy, downright, good-for-you food.

Quoted message said:

The scientific evidence is against coconut oil.
It's more saturated than lard, and raises
cholesterol more than beef fat.

Thjat is a rather sweeping statement!
Care to offer any cites?
--
Regards.
Ken.
http://www2.citytel.net/~solar/

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Melondy said:

Mark Thorson wrote:
> Ken Davey wrote:
>> You got it steve.
>> Coconut oil is one of the healthiest oils around.,
>
> Wrong. It is among the worst. Saturated fats
> like those in coconut oil contribute to
> cardiovascular disease. Few associations between
> harmful behaviors and adverse health consequences
> are as well-documented as this one.
>

The latest info I can find has people, researchers, scientists and
doctors all backpedaling on the dangers of coconut oil. In fact most
seem to say it is a heart healthy, downright, good-for-you food.

Quoted message said:

The scientific evidence is against coconut oil.
It's more saturated than lard, and raises
cholesterol more than beef fat.

Thjat is a rather sweeping statement!
Care to offer any cites?
--
Regards.
Ken.
http://www2.citytel.net/~solar/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut_oil#Effects_on_health

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-Sautéed poo is still poo!

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Melondy wrote:
>
> Mark Thorson wrote:
> > Ken Davey wrote:
> >> You got it steve.
> >> Coconut oil is one of the healthiest oils around.,
> >
> > Wrong. It is among the worst. Saturated fats
> > like those in coconut oil contribute to
> > cardiovascular disease. Few associations between
> > harmful behaviors and adverse health consequences
> > are as well-documented as this one.
> >
>
> The latest info I can find has people, researchers, scientists and
> doctors all backpedaling on the dangers of coconut oil. In fact most
> seem to say it is a heart healthy, downright, good-for-you food.
>

Quoted message said:

The scientific evidence is against coconut oil.
It's more saturated than lard, and raises
cholesterol more than beef fat.

Thjat is a rather sweeping statement!
Care to offer any cites?
--
Regards.
Ken.
http://www2.citytel.net/~solar/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut_oil#Effects_on_health

--
Laura

Thanks laura.
Once one scrolls through the coconut oil as fuel (diesel) it gets
interesting.
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/coconuts1.html

--
Regards.
Ken.
http://www2.citytel.net/~solar/

Ken Davey said:

"Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

The scientific evidence is against coconut oil.
It's more saturated than lard, and raises
cholesterol more than beef fat.

Thjat is a rather sweeping statement!
Care to offer any cites?

Sure. Here's two abstracts from articles in
medical journals describing the results of
clinical trials.

Am J Clin Nutr. 1985 Aug;42(2):190-7.
Plasma lipid and lipoprotein response of humans
to beef fat, coconut oil and safflower oil.
Reiser R, Probstfield JL, Silvers A, Scott LW,
Shorney ML, Wood RD, O'Brien BC, Gotto AM Jr,
Insull W Jr.

This study's purpose was to evaluate the fasting
human plasma lipid and lipoprotein responses to
dietary beef fat (BF) by comparison with coconut
oil (CO) and safflower oil (SO), fats customarily
classified as saturated and polyunsaturated.
Nineteen free-living normolipidemic men aged
25.6 +/- 3.5 yr consumed centrally-prepared
lunches and dinners of common foods having 35%
fat calories, 60% of which was the test fat.
The test fats were isocalorically substituted,
and each fed for five weeks in random sequences
with intervening five weeks of habitual diets.
Plasma total cholesterol (TC), high-density
lipoprotein cholesterol (HDL-C), and low-density
lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-C) concentrations
among individuals follows the same relative rank
regardless of diet. Triglycerides (TG)
concentrations among individuals also maintain
their relative rank regardless of diet but in
a different order from that of the cholesterols.
Plasma TC, HDL-C, and LDL-C responses to BF were
significantly lower and TG higher than to CO.
As compared to SO, BF produced equivalent levels
of TG, HDL-C, and LDL-C and marginally higher TC.
Thus, the customary consideration of BF as
"saturated" and grouping it with CO appears
unwarranted.

J Nutr. 2003 Jan;133(1):78-83.
The serum LDL/HDL cholesterol ratio is influenced
more favorably by exchanging saturated with
unsaturated fat than by reducing saturated fat
in the diet of women.
Muller H, Lindman AS, Brantsaeter AL, Pedersen JI.
University College of Akershus, Bekkestua, Norway.

We compared the effects of a high fat diet
[38.4% of energy (E%) from fat; HSAFA diet,
polyunsaturated/saturated fatty acid (P/S) ratio
= 0.14], a low fat diet (19.7 E% from fat; LSAFA
diet, P/S = 0.17), both based on coconut oil,
and a diet with a high content of mono- and
polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFA; 38.2 E% from
fat; HUFA diet, P/S = 1.9) on serum lipoproteins.
The 25 women studied consumed each diet for 3-wk
periods in a crossover design. The two high fat
diets were identical except for the quality of
the test fat. The LSAFA diet was identical to the
HSAFA diet except that half the fat was replaced
by carbohydrates. Serum total cholesterol, LDL
cholesterol and apoB concentrations did not
differ between the HSAFA and the LSAFA diet
periods. Total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol and
apoB were lower when women consumed the HUFA diet
than when they consumed the other two diets.
HDL cholesterol and apoA-I were 15 and 11%,
respectively, higher when women consumed the
HSAFA diet than when they consumed the LSAFA diet;
HDL cholesterol and apoA-I were lower when women
consumed the HUFA diet than when they consumed the
HSAFA diet, but not the LSAFA diet. The LDL
cholesterol/HDL cholesterol and apoB/apoA-I ratios
were higher when women consumed the LSAFA diet
than when they consumed the HSAFA diet. The LDL/HDL
cholesterol ratio was higher when women consumed
either the LSAFA or the HSAFA diet than when they
consumed the HUFA diet, whereas apoB/apoA-I was
higher when women consumed the LSAFA diet than when
they consumed the HUFA diet. Triacylglycerol and
VLDL cholesterol were higher when women consumed
the LSAFA diet than when they consumed either the
HSAFA or the HUFA diet. We conclude that, to
influence the LDL/HDL cholesterol ratio, changing
the proportions of dietary fatty acids may be more
important than restricting the percentage of total
or saturated fat energy, at least when derived
mainly from lauric and myristic acids, both of
which increase HDL cholesterol.

Ken Davey said:

Once one scrolls through the coconut oil as fuel (diesel) it gets
interesting.
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/coconuts1.html

Oooh! Nexus Magazine!
That's a reliable source of information!

About PSYCHIC SPIES:
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/psispy1.html
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/psispy2.html

And ARCHAEOLOGICAL COVER-UPS (what are those guys
trying to hide?):
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/arcoverups.html

UFO CONSPIRACY THEORIES (CIA, Shadow Government, etc.):
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/CirclesOfPower.html

And REPTILIAN HUMANOIDS (friendssss or foessss?):
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/jimsparx.html

But that's the best information you can cite on
the "benefits" of coconut oil!

"Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Ken Davey said:

"Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

The scientific evidence is against coconut oil.
It's more saturated than lard, and raises
cholesterol more than beef fat.

Thjat is a rather sweeping statement!
Care to offer any cites?

Sure. Here's two abstracts from articles in
medical journals describing the results of
clinical trials.

Am J Clin Nutr. 1985 Aug;42(2):190-7.
Plasma lipid and lipoprotein response of humans
to beef fat, coconut oil and safflower oil.
Reiser R, Probstfield JL, Silvers A, Scott LW,
Shorney ML, Wood RD, O'Brien BC, Gotto AM Jr,
Insull W Jr.

This study's purpose was to evaluate the fasting
human plasma lipid and lipoprotein responses to
dietary beef fat (BF) by comparison with coconut
oil (CO) and safflower oil (SO), fats customarily
classified as saturated and polyunsaturated.
Nineteen free-living normolipidemic men aged
25.6 +/- 3.5 yr consumed centrally-prepared
lunches and dinners of common foods having 35%
fat calories, 60% of which was the test fat.
The test fats were isocalorically substituted,
and each fed for five weeks in random sequences
with intervening five weeks of habitual diets.
Plasma total cholesterol (TC), high-density
lipoprotein cholesterol (HDL-C), and low-density
lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-C) concentrations
among individuals follows the same relative rank
regardless of diet. Triglycerides (TG)
concentrations among individuals also maintain
their relative rank regardless of diet but in
a different order from that of the cholesterols.
Plasma TC, HDL-C, and LDL-C responses to BF were
significantly lower and TG higher than to CO.
As compared to SO, BF produced equivalent levels
of TG, HDL-C, and LDL-C and marginally higher TC.
Thus, the customary consideration of BF as
"saturated" and grouping it with CO appears
unwarranted.

J Nutr. 2003 Jan;133(1):78-83.
The serum LDL/HDL cholesterol ratio is influenced
more favorably by exchanging saturated with
unsaturated fat than by reducing saturated fat
in the diet of women.
Muller H, Lindman AS, Brantsaeter AL, Pedersen JI.
University College of Akershus, Bekkestua, Norway.

We compared the effects of a high fat diet
[38.4% of energy (E%) from fat; HSAFA diet,
polyunsaturated/saturated fatty acid (P/S) ratio
= 0.14], a low fat diet (19.7 E% from fat; LSAFA
diet, P/S = 0.17), both based on coconut oil,
and a diet with a high content of mono- and
polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFA; 38.2 E% from
fat; HUFA diet, P/S = 1.9) on serum lipoproteins.
The 25 women studied consumed each diet for 3-wk
periods in a crossover design. The two high fat
diets were identical except for the quality of
the test fat. The LSAFA diet was identical to the
HSAFA diet except that half the fat was replaced
by carbohydrates. Serum total cholesterol, LDL
cholesterol and apoB concentrations did not
differ between the HSAFA and the LSAFA diet
periods. Total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol and
apoB were lower when women consumed the HUFA diet
than when they consumed the other two diets.
HDL cholesterol and apoA-I were 15 and 11%,
respectively, higher when women consumed the
HSAFA diet than when they consumed the LSAFA diet;
HDL cholesterol and apoA-I were lower when women
consumed the HUFA diet than when they consumed the
HSAFA diet, but not the LSAFA diet. The LDL
cholesterol/HDL cholesterol and apoB/apoA-I ratios
were higher when women consumed the LSAFA diet
than when they consumed the HSAFA diet. The LDL/HDL
cholesterol ratio was higher when women consumed
either the LSAFA or the HSAFA diet than when they
consumed the HUFA diet, whereas apoB/apoA-I was
higher when women consumed the LSAFA diet than when
they consumed the HUFA diet. Triacylglycerol and
VLDL cholesterol were higher when women consumed
the LSAFA diet than when they consumed either the
HSAFA or the HUFA diet. We conclude that, to
influence the LDL/HDL cholesterol ratio, changing
the proportions of dietary fatty acids may be more
important than restricting the percentage of total
or saturated fat energy, at least when derived
mainly from lauric and myristic acids, both of
which increase HDL cholesterol.

And this relates SPECIFICALLY to coconut oil how?
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Regards.
Ken.
http://www2.citytel.net/~solar/