Re: Clean eating

The Queen of Cans and Jars said:

Roger Zoul said:

The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
:: Roger Zoul <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: me wrote:
::::: I have heard this term spoken in my gym but do not know what it
::::: means. Could anyone explain it for me? Thanks.
:::
::: No junk.
::
:: Meaning what, exactly? "Junk" is a subjective term that's going
:: to vary from person to person.

Fine.

Who crawled up your ass and died?

You.... 🙂

Roger Zoul said:

The Queen of Cans and Jars said:

Roger Zoul said:

The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
:: Roger Zoul <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: me wrote:
::::: I have heard this term spoken in my gym but do not know what it
::::: means. Could anyone explain it for me? Thanks.
:::
::: No junk.
::
:: Meaning what, exactly? "Junk" is a subjective term that's going
:: to vary from person to person.

Fine.

Who crawled up your ass and died?

You.... 🙂

Poor baby.

Curt James said:

JMW said:

Golly,

Golly?

Quoted message said:

Curt, could you please fill
us

^^^^^^

And us, eh? You're one of those group mentality types who can't speak
for yourself. How nice of you to speak as a group.

Quoted message said:

in on the physiology of why sucrose
is "white death"?

I suspect you could Google, especially since there's more than one of
you, right, Mr. Us? But I also suspect you're too lazy for that, so
allow me to do the work for you:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=refined+sugar+dangers&btnG=Google+Search

No, Curt. Web sites run by tree-hugging health-food [censored] who think
the answer is "only if it's natural, dewd," are not authoritative.
Real science, please, Curt. Neither is it instructive to review the
health problems of people who eat massive amounts of sucrose as their
main dietary energy intake, because one can point to *anything* being
dangerous if not taken in moderation.

You haven't been around here very long, so let me offer you a hint.
The time-worn "here's a bunch of Google links" is a familiar ploy in
MFW; it's designed to cover for the fact that one doesn't know what
one is talking about. Throwing around a bunch of myths here is an
invitation to have them torn apart, so the classic dodge is to point
out a bunch of random links to take the heat off one's uninformed
statements. Great shades of David "DRS" Simpson! It doesn't work,
Curt.

To bring this full circle, please explain why sucrose (in your words,
"white death"😉 has no dietary value, and explain the metabolic
processes involved in your conclusion. You needn't be detailed or
complex -- a few well-crafted sentences will do. Feel free to cite
Medline abstracts. Some of us have actually read the studies and can
dissect them, too.

Please forgive me if I leave the impression that MFW is a little above
the level of fitness folk wisdom. I guess I'm just old skool.

--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

The Queen of Cans and Jars said:

Roger Zoul said:

The Queen of Cans and Jars said:

Roger Zoul <[email hidden]> wrote:
> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> :: Roger Zoul <[email hidden]> wrote:
> ::
> ::: me wrote:
> ::::: I have heard this term spoken in my gym but do not know
> ::::: what it means. Could anyone explain it for me? Thanks.
> :::
> ::: No junk.
> ::
> :: Meaning what, exactly? "Junk" is a subjective term that's
> :: going to vary from person to person.
>
> Fine.

Who crawled up your ass and died?

You.... 🙂

Poor baby.

Yeah, stroke me, honey....

JMW said:

frank-in-toronto said:

JMW said:

frank-in-toronto <[email hidden]> wrote:
>[email hidden] (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
>>Roger Zoul <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> me wrote:
>>> :: I have heard this term spoken in my gym but do not know what it
>>> :: means. Could anyone explain it for me? Thanks.

...

Quoted message said:

At one time, it was "obvious to everyone" that the earth was flat, and
that the sun revolved around the earth. It was "not open to debate,"
and if you questioned it, you could be prosecuted as a heretic.

are you suggesting that there are sufficient redeeming qualities
to wonder bread to make it an important food item in my day?
i'm sure you're jokin'
...thehick

I'm suggesting that pop fitness notions of what is "good" and "bad"
are very simplistic. Those notions are not always, or even often,
accurate. Some folks like simplistic notions; those people can "eat
clean" and go to the gym to "tone."

Historically, the level of discussion in MFW has been a bit beyond
that. Unfortunately, there has been a recent influx of dissidents who
are intent on "dumbing down" that discussion to the lowest common
denominator. The results of those efforts are becoming more apparent
every day.

Then surely it is time for you too to move on to more esoteric climes,
where you will be able to join with other like-minded aesthetes and
intellectuals, there to discuss all manner of "scientific" and
"medical" matters, to your mutually masturbating satisfaction.

This will serve two important functions by relieving you of the tedium
of having to tolerate us plebeians, and by ridding us of a pompous ass
and a serial "troll"!!

Other than that John Williams, do have a great weekend - you know I
will!! ;o)

On 29 Apr 2005 18:44:50 -0700, "Curt James" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

JMW said:

Golly,

Golly?

Quoted message said:

Curt, could you please fill
us

^^^^^^

And us, eh? You're one of those group mentality types who can't speak
for yourself. How nice of you to speak as a group.

Quoted message said:

in on the physiology of why sucrose
is "white death"?

I suspect you could Google, especially since there's more than one of
you, right, Mr. Us? But I also suspect you're too lazy for that, so
allow me to do the work for you:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=refined+sugar+dangers&btnG=Google+Search

Hey, as a starving troll, though, refined sugar is, perhaps, better
than nothing on your plate. Enjoy.

I suspect Curt, that you may, according to John Williams, be one those
"recent influx of dissidents who are intent on 'dumbing down' to the
lowest common denominator"!!

This may mean you may never aspire to be an "us", which is a vague
term John Williams uses frequently to let you know that you have
incurred *his* displeasure and. It is his way of attempting to
influence how others may interpret your input.

Have a great weekend Curt - I am!! ;o)

JMW said:

Curt James said:

JMW said:

Golly,

Golly?

Quoted message said:

Curt, could you please fill
us

^^^^^^

And us, eh? You're one of those group mentality types who can't speak
for yourself. How nice of you to speak as a group.

Quoted message said:

in on the physiology of why sucrose
is "white death"?

I suspect you could Google, especially since there's more than one of
you, right, Mr. Us? But I also suspect you're too lazy for that, so
allow me to do the work for you:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=refined+sugar+dangers&btnG=Google+Search

No, Curt. Web sites run by tree-hugging health-food [censored] who think
the answer is "only if it's natural, dewd," are not authoritative.
Real science, please, Curt. Neither is it instructive to review the
health problems of people who eat massive amounts of sucrose as their
main dietary energy intake, because one can point to *anything* being
dangerous if not taken in moderation.

You haven't been around here very long, so let me offer you a hint.
The time-worn "here's a bunch of Google links" is a familiar ploy in
MFW; it's designed to cover for the fact that one doesn't know what
one is talking about. Throwing around a bunch of myths here is an
invitation to have them torn apart, so the classic dodge is to point
out a bunch of random links to take the heat off one's uninformed
statements. Great shades of David "DRS" Simpson! It doesn't work,
Curt.

To bring this full circle, please explain why sucrose (in your words,
"white death"😉 has no dietary value, and explain the metabolic
processes involved in your conclusion. You needn't be detailed or
complex -- a few well-crafted sentences will do. Feel free to cite
Medline abstracts. Some of us have actually read the studies and can
dissect them, too.

Please forgive me if I leave the impression that MFW is a little above
the level of fitness folk wisdom. I guess I'm just old skool.

John Williams displays a bloated sense of his self-importance when he
attempts to exaggerate his achievements and talents and expects to be
recognised as superior, without any commensurate achievements to
support his self-proclaimed superiority.

He would have us believe that MFW is failing in some way, but the
reality is that John Williams, who once held sway here, has lost his
sphere of influence and is thrashing about wildly attempting to lay
the blame on others.

I'm delighted to acknowledge my participation in his downfall!! ;o)

Take that broom handle out of your [censored] Williams, and have a nice
weekend - you know I will, despite the 'disintegration' of MFW and
your fall from grace!! ;o)

JMW wrote (and wrote and wrote and wrote)

(judiciously snipped)

Quoted message said:

please explain why sucrose (in your words,
"white death"😉 has no dietary value, and

Quoted message said:

Feel free to cite Medline abstracts.

Medline it is. I'm sure you'll recognize these words, but fail to
understand (hey, you won't disagree with that statement, will you?) why
you'd question an anti refined sugar stance.

Quoted message said:

From http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002469.htm

Refined sugars provide calories, but lack vitamins, minerals, and
fiber. Such simple sugars are often called "empty calories" and can
lead to weight gain. Also, many refined foods, such as white flour,
sugar, and polished rice, lack B vitamins and other important nutrients
unless they are marked "enriched." It is healthiest to obtain
carbohydrates, vitamins, and other nutrients in as natural a form as
possible -- for example, from fruit instead of table sugar.

/quote

Refined sugar equals white death seems obvious. And here's another
quote by way of bringing things full circle.

"Less obvious is the reason you're obsessed with trolling(snip)"

Your words. Wash 'em down with a Coke and some candy.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

Charles said:

... a bloated sense of his self-importance ...

--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

Curt James said:

Medline it is. I'm sure you'll recognize these words, but fail to
understand (hey, you won't disagree with that statement, will you?) why
you'd question an anti refined sugar stance.

Quoted message said:

From http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002469.htm

Refined sugars provide calories, but lack vitamins, minerals, and
fiber. Such simple sugars are often called "empty calories" and can
lead to weight gain.

And here's something interesting: "Simple carbohydrates have one
(single) or two (double) sugars while complex carbohydrates have three
or more."

Quoted message said:

Refined sugar equals white death seems obvious.

So "refined sugar," some folks call it sucrose, I think, is one of
those "double sugar," right? I think somebody called it a
"disaccharide." So the even simpler sugars that are part of it, those
little "monosaccharides," glucose and fructose, are even more
worthless, right? You wouldn't want them anywhere in your body,
correct?

Help me out on this stuff, Curt, because you know it all!
--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

JMW said:

Help me out on this stuff, Curt, because you know it all!

What Curt says makes sense. Refined sugars are no good for *anyone*.
I gave up eating that garbage years ago.

If I want something sweet, I eat a peice of fruit.

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 09:39:52 -0400, JMW <[email hidden]> wrote a
carefully snipped portion of that which "Charles" had written before
concerning JMW:

Quoted message said:

Charles said:

... a bloated sense of his self-importance ...

Charles actually wrote:

"John Williams displays a "bloated sense of his self-importance" when
he attempts to exaggerate his achievements and talents and expects to
be recognised as superior, without any commensurate achievements to
support his self-proclaimed superiority."

Don't tell me you are reduced to "selective snipping" to try and score
a point John Williams. That really is pathetic!! What has become of
you, and why are you responding direct when you are supposed to be
"ignoring" me?!! ;o)

me said:

JMW said:

Help me out on this stuff, Curt, because you know it all!

What Curt says makes sense. Refined sugars are no good for *anyone*.

Nobody? Never?

Quoted message said:

I gave up eating that garbage years ago.

If I want something sweet, I eat a peice of fruit.

What is the special evil that changes a sugar from "good" to "bad" by
"refining"? You and Curt have such marvelous expertise on this
subject, I really want to hear all about it!
--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

Charles said:

JMW said:

me said:

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 09:57:20 -0400, JMW <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Help me out on this stuff, Curt, because you know it all!

What Curt says makes sense. Refined sugars are no good for *anyone*.

Nobody? Never?

Quoted message said:

I gave up eating that garbage years ago.

If I want something sweet, I eat a peice of fruit.

What is the special evil that changes a sugar from "good" to "bad" by
"refining"? You and Curt have such marvelous expertise on this
subject, I really want to hear all about it!

I could give you the URL so that you could read from the web site, but
apparently that's too much like "DRS Dave the Oz Poofter", so here's
the full article John Williams. Read and inwardly digest and say sorry
to Curt and "me <[email hidden]>":

The Dangers of Refined Sugar

Article Description: Dr. William Coda Martin classified refined sugar
as a poison because it has been depleted of its life forces, vitamins
and minerals. "What is left consists of pure, refined carbohydrates.
The body cannot utilize this refined starch and carbohydrate...
Date of Publication:1/8/2003

Let's take one little jewel from that long screed:

"When proteins are taken with sugar, they putrefy; they are broken
down into a variety of ptomaines and leucomaines, which are nonusable
substances-poisons. Enzymic digestion of foods prepares them for use
by our body. Bacterial decomposition makes them unfit for use by our
body. The first process gives us nutriments; the second gives us
poisons.

Therefore, do not take protein or amino acids with sugar because it
will become toxic, correct?

I think you should report these findings to Dr. Kevin Tipton, Dr.
Robert Wolfe, and their colleagues at the University of Texas Medical
Branch. They have unwittingly been poisoning their test subjects
during the muscle protein synthesis studies which have been reported
many times in this newsgroup. I'm sure they will be thankful for your
insight.
--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

David Cohen said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Charles said:

JMW <[email hidden]> wrote:
>me <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> JMW <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>Help me out on this stuff, Curt, because you know it all!
>>
>>What Curt says makes sense. Refined sugars are no good for *anyone*.
>
>Nobody? Never?
>
>>I gave up eating that garbage years ago.
>>
>>If I want something sweet, I eat a peice of fruit.
>
>What is the special evil that changes a sugar from "good" to "bad" by
>"refining"? You and Curt have such marvelous expertise on this
>subject, I really want to hear all about it!

I could give you the URL so that you could read from the web site, but
apparently that's too much like "DRS Dave the Oz Poofter", so here's
the full article John Williams. Read and inwardly digest and say sorry
to Curt and "me <[email hidden]>":

The Dangers of Refined Sugar

Article Description: Dr. William Coda Martin classified refined sugar
as a poison because it has been depleted of its life forces, vitamins
and minerals. "What is left consists of pure, refined carbohydrates.
The body cannot utilize this refined starch and carbohydrate...
Date of Publication:1/8/2003

Let's take one little jewel from that long screed:

"When proteins are taken with sugar, they putrefy; they are broken
down into a variety of ptomaines and leucomaines, which are nonusable
substances-poisons. Enzymic digestion of foods prepares them for use
by our body. Bacterial decomposition makes them unfit for use by our
body. The first process gives us nutriments; the second gives us
poisons.

Therefore, do not take protein or amino acids with sugar because it
will become toxic, correct?

I think you should report these findings to Dr. Kevin Tipton, Dr.
Robert Wolfe, and their colleagues at the University of Texas Medical
Branch. They have unwittingly been poisoning their test subjects
during the muscle protein synthesis studies which have been reported
many times in this newsgroup. I'm sure they will be thankful for your
insight.

The good Dr. William Coda Martin lost me at the "classified refined sugar as
a poison because it has been depleted of its life forces".

I like my life forces grilled with some garlic and butter. You?

It depends on what auras and chakras I have for an entreé.
--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Charles said:

JMW said:

me <[email hidden]> wrote:
> JMW <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>Help me out on this stuff, Curt, because you know it all!
>
>What Curt says makes sense. Refined sugars are no good for *anyone*.

Nobody? Never?

>I gave up eating that garbage years ago.
>
>If I want something sweet, I eat a peice of fruit.

What is the special evil that changes a sugar from "good" to "bad" by
"refining"? You and Curt have such marvelous expertise on this
subject, I really want to hear all about it!

I could give you the URL so that you could read from the web site, but
apparently that's too much like "DRS Dave the Oz Poofter", so here's
the full article John Williams. Read and inwardly digest and say sorry
to Curt and "me <[email hidden]>":

The Dangers of Refined Sugar

Article Description: Dr. William Coda Martin classified refined sugar
as a poison because it has been depleted of its life forces, vitamins
and minerals. "What is left consists of pure, refined carbohydrates.
The body cannot utilize this refined starch and carbohydrate...
Date of Publication:1/8/2003

Let's take one little jewel from that long screed:

"When proteins are taken with sugar, they putrefy; they are broken
down into a variety of ptomaines and leucomaines, which are nonusable
substances-poisons. Enzymic digestion of foods prepares them for use
by our body. Bacterial decomposition makes them unfit for use by our
body. The first process gives us nutriments; the second gives us
poisons.

Therefore, do not take protein or amino acids with sugar because it
will become toxic, correct?

I think you should report these findings to Dr. Kevin Tipton, Dr.
Robert Wolfe, and their colleagues at the University of Texas Medical
Branch. They have unwittingly been poisoning their test subjects
during the muscle protein synthesis studies which have been reported
many times in this newsgroup. I'm sure they will be thankful for your
insight.

The good Dr. William Coda Martin lost me at the "classified refined sugar as
a poison because it has been depleted of its life forces".

I like my life forces grilled with some garlic and butter. You?

David

JMW said:

Charles said:

JMW said:

me <[email hidden]> wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 09:57:20 -0400, JMW <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>Help me out on this stuff, Curt, because you know it all!
>
>What Curt says makes sense. Refined sugars are no good for *anyone*.

Nobody? Never?

>I gave up eating that garbage years ago.
>
>If I want something sweet, I eat a peice of fruit.

What is the special evil that changes a sugar from "good" to "bad" by
"refining"? You and Curt have such marvelous expertise on this
subject, I really want to hear all about it!

I could give you the URL so that you could read from the web site, but
apparently that's too much like "DRS Dave the Oz Poofter", so here's
the full article John Williams. Read and inwardly digest and say sorry
to Curt and "me <[email hidden]>":

The Dangers of Refined Sugar

Article Description: Dr. William Coda Martin classified refined sugar
as a poison because it has been depleted of its life forces, vitamins
and minerals. "What is left consists of pure, refined carbohydrates.
The body cannot utilize this refined starch and carbohydrate...
Date of Publication:1/8/2003

Let's take one little jewel from that long screed:

"When proteins are taken with sugar, they putrefy; they are broken
down into a variety of ptomaines and leucomaines, which are nonusable
substances-poisons. Enzymic digestion of foods prepares them for use
by our body. Bacterial decomposition makes them unfit for use by our
body. The first process gives us nutriments; the second gives us
poisons.

Therefore, do not take protein or amino acids with sugar because it
will become toxic, correct?

I think you should report these findings to Dr. Kevin Tipton, Dr.
Robert Wolfe, and their colleagues at the University of Texas Medical
Branch. They have unwittingly been poisoning their test subjects
during the muscle protein synthesis studies which have been reported
many times in this newsgroup.

The buggers, my flabber is completely ghasted!!

Quoted message said:

I'm sure they will be thankful for your insight.

To be perfectly frank John ( which I'm not as I am perfectly Charles
aka John, John), and as you well know I have no real interest in these
things.

However, feel free to use the research I posted to inform those other
chaps you mentioned, of the heinous crimes they are committing upon an
unsuspecting public.

This is so much nicer John, a non belligerent exchange between two old
chums, on a very interesting topic that admittedly you needed some
help with!! ;o)

Have a great weekend old chum - you know I am, and it's only just
starting!! ;o)

Roger Zoul said:

me wrote:
:: I have heard this term spoken in my gym but do not know what it
:: means. Could anyone explain it for me? Thanks.

No junk.

I would say a reduction in processed food.

Dr. Dickie
Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick
====================================
"Let be be finale of seem.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream"
Wallace Stevens-1923
=====================================

David Cohen said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Charles said:

JMW <[email hidden]> wrote:
>me <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> JMW <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>Help me out on this stuff, Curt, because you know it all!
>>
>>What Curt says makes sense. Refined sugars are no good for *anyone*.
>
>Nobody? Never?
>
>>I gave up eating that garbage years ago.
>>
>>If I want something sweet, I eat a peice of fruit.
>
>What is the special evil that changes a sugar from "good" to "bad" by
>"refining"? You and Curt have such marvelous expertise on this
>subject, I really want to hear all about it!

I could give you the URL so that you could read from the web site, but
apparently that's too much like "DRS Dave the Oz Poofter", so here's
the full article John Williams. Read and inwardly digest and say sorry
to Curt and "me <[email hidden]>":

The Dangers of Refined Sugar

Article Description: Dr. William Coda Martin classified refined sugar
as a poison because it has been depleted of its life forces, vitamins
and minerals. "What is left consists of pure, refined carbohydrates.
The body cannot utilize this refined starch and carbohydrate...
Date of Publication:1/8/2003

Let's take one little jewel from that long screed:

"When proteins are taken with sugar, they putrefy; they are broken
down into a variety of ptomaines and leucomaines, which are nonusable
substances-poisons. Enzymic digestion of foods prepares them for use
by our body. Bacterial decomposition makes them unfit for use by our
body. The first process gives us nutriments; the second gives us
poisons.

Therefore, do not take protein or amino acids with sugar because it
will become toxic, correct?

I think you should report these findings to Dr. Kevin Tipton, Dr.
Robert Wolfe, and their colleagues at the University of Texas Medical
Branch. They have unwittingly been poisoning their test subjects
during the muscle protein synthesis studies which have been reported
many times in this newsgroup. I'm sure they will be thankful for your
insight.

The good Dr. William Coda Martin lost me at the "classified refined sugar as
a poison because it has been depleted of its life forces".

I like my life forces grilled with some garlic and butter. You?

In my gastronomic experiences, if you adulterate anything with
"garlic", including "life forces", all you get is garlic - I repeat
garlic, which contaminates the breath, exudes from the skin, makes the
toilet an unpleasant place to be and condemns farting from a high art
form to public disdain and humiliation!!

Easy on the garlic David (you, not him - who I miss) and enjoy your
weekend - you will know that I am!! ;o)

I've just had an afternoon with friends watching some very exciting
rugby, and at 1930 we have a great crowd coming over to dinner. My son
played his last game of the season today and came through a full
season unscathed, and my daughter tells me today that she is
reconsidering settling in Australia. My cup runneth over!! ;o)

"Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

David Cohen said:

I like my life forces grilled with some garlic and butter. You?

In my gastronomic experiences, if you adulterate anything with
"garlic", including "life forces", all you get is garlic - I repeat
garlic, which contaminates the breath, exudes from the skin, makes the
toilet an unpleasant place to be and condemns farting from a high art
form to public disdain and humiliation!!

I was born and raised in the New York metropolitan area, in an area
populated by Jews, Irish, and Italians. Italian cooking, restaurants, pizza
joints (where they speak Italian, not Mexican, and where the flies add spice
to the calzones). I love garlic. Garlic is one one the healthiest, most
healthful, spices.

A Brit telling the Italians how to cook? Now THAT is silly.

David