Re: Church and churches

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On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 07:58:39 -0500, "Geoff" <[email hidden]>

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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If you don't have anything meaningful to say, I will *plonk* thee...and
that's something because the only other person I've killfiled on Usenet is
Ed Conrad...for pretty much the same reason.

Why have you cross-posted to sci.med.cardiology? Is this message somehow
relevant to that group? Or are you trying to drum up business with those
spam links? As if anyone would ever consider coming to you after reading
about your paranoia.

He is actually a cardiologist even though he got fired from (AFAIK)
his only job because of the "quality" of his post-op care.

Looks like he's now here in Atlanta. Not to far from me either.
I'm swimming in the fundie [censored] here.

Geoff: If you see someone starting to build an arc in your area, it is
probably him.

Andrew B. Chung said:

Read The Bible said:

I will build my church... Matthew 16:18

The churches of Christ... Romans 16:16

This is a group on cardiology, not a frigging religious whacko forum.

Bill said:

The foundation of all Christian and Jewish religions is based on the Bibles.

There is NO - NADA _evidence the Bibles are the word of any Gods. They are
no more than the words of hundreds of errant religious leaders motivated to
impress and control their flock.

There are NO original copies of the Bibles. They are all ALTERED hand copies
of copies of copies etc. by hundreds of scribes over a period of thousands
of years. There is no

Accu

And Chung, the great Phd/MD, the oh-so-knowledgeable cardiologist, is
affiliated with NO hospital. Anyone find that strange? Could it be that
no hospital wants to be associated with this whacko? And probably has
no church either. Only in his disturbed mind....

Al said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

Read The Bible said:

I will build my church... Matthew 16:18

The churches of Christ... Romans 16:16

This is a group on cardiology, not a frigging religious whacko forum.

Again, sorry this advisory bothers you so terribly. Again, please
forgive all my iniquities.

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Bill said:

The foundation of all Christian and Jewish religions is based on the Bibles.

Being Christian is not a religion but a relationship with Christ Jesus.

There is only one Holy Bible which is the infallible Word of GOD.

Christ Jesus is the living Word of GOD.

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On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 04:27:39 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"

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It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.

But you are a liar and have proven tyourself so many times.

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You have the free will that the LORD has generously given you.

And the free will he has given you makes you into satan's spammer -
driving many away fro the rea Lord who wouldn't bother being
associated with you.

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The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.

Nah, it is your free will in operation, the same that makes you make
an ass out of yourself.

jim

Don Kirkman said:

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <[email hidden]>:

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It is written that the disciple "Doubting" Thomas was essentially an
atheist until he saw the risen Jesus saying he would not believe in the
resurrection until he had the opportunity to put his hand into Jesus'
side and his fingers through the holes of HIS hands. Thankfully, he
changed his mind upon seeing the risen Jesus and decided to accept
salvation through faith when he declared "My LORD and my GOD!" (John
20:28)

So Jesus had an atheist among his disciples?

Yes. HE also had a money-worshipper (Judas Iscariot) among his
disciples.

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Or have you once again
failed to comprehend the plain English?

No.

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Nowhere does it say Thomas did
not believe there was a god, but he refused to believe, without physical
proof, that Jesus was alive again.

IOW, he refused to believe that his friend/teacher was/is GOD.

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That is not "essentially an atheist"
but a person who basis his beliefs on evidence.

A person who refuses to believe in GOD until s/he sees GOD is
essentially an atheist.

Quoted message said:

You, being wiser than the disciple, find it possible to believe all
sorts of improbable things without proof either physical or
metaphysical.

When faith is placed in the LORD, all things become possible.

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Don Kirkman said:

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <[email hidden]>:

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Don Kirkman said:

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <[email hidden]>:

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>It is written that the disciple "Doubting" Thomas was essentially an
>atheist until he saw the risen Jesus saying he would not believe in the
>resurrection until he had the opportunity to put his hand into Jesus'
>side and his fingers through the holes of HIS hands. Thankfully, he
>changed his mind upon seeing the risen Jesus and decided to accept
>salvation through faith when he declared "My LORD and my GOD!" (John
>20:28)

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So Jesus had an atheist among his disciples?

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Yes. HE also had a money-worshipper (Judas Iscariot) among his
disciples.

Irrelevant and not at issue.

Actually this is relevant. If Jesus picked out a money-worshipper to be
a disciple then why not an atheist?

We are all sinners and fall short of HIS glory.

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Or have you once again
failed to comprehend the plain English?

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No.

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Nowhere does it say Thomas did
not believe there was a god, but he refused to believe, without physical
proof, that Jesus was alive again.

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IOW, he refused to believe that his friend/teacher was/is GOD.

It is not truthful to add to what is written in the Bible.

Actually, these discussions are not adding to what is written in the
Bible.

Thomas' declaration "My LORD and my GOD!" stands as written in John
20:28

There is nothing that either you or I can write here in these USENET
groups to change that.

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According to
the story the issue was never whether Jesus was God but whether he had
risen from the dead.

Only GOD can resurrect HIMSELF from the dead to defeat death.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life" -- LORD Jesus Christ.

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Are you deliberately distorting Biblical teaching,
or merely showing your ignorance of the subject again?

It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.

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That is not "essentially an atheist"
but a person who basis his beliefs on evidence.

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A person who refuses to believe in GOD until s/he sees GOD is
essentially an atheist.

But that is not the issue in the passage you're trying to use as
evidence.

This is the issue in our discussion and Thomas' declaration "My LORD and
my GOD!" upon seeing the risen Jesus Christ stands as irrefutable
evidence that Thomas was an atheist up until that moment.

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You, being wiser than the disciple, find it possible to believe all
sorts of improbable things without proof either physical or
metaphysical.

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When faith is placed in the LORD, all things become possible.

QED

Indeed it is so written.

For this you will remain in my prayers, dear Don whom I love, in Jesus'
most precious and holy name.

May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIM.

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Andrew
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Andrew B. Chung said:

Don Kirkman said:

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <[email hidden]>:

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Don Kirkman wrote:
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> article <[email hidden]>:
>> It is written that the disciple "Doubting" Thomas was essentially an
>> atheist until he saw the risen Jesus saying he would not believe in the
>> resurrection until he had the opportunity to put his hand into Jesus'
>> side and his fingers through the holes of HIS hands. Thankfully, he
>> changed his mind upon seeing the risen Jesus and decided to accept
>> salvation through faith when he declared "My LORD and my GOD!" (John
>> 20:28)
> So Jesus had an atheist among his disciples?
Yes. HE also had a money-worshipper (Judas Iscariot) among his
disciples.

Irrelevant and not at issue.

Actually this is relevant. If Jesus picked out a money-worshipper to be
a disciple then why not an atheist?

We are all sinners and fall short of HIS glory.

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> Or have you once again
> failed to comprehend the plain English?
No.
> Nowhere does it say Thomas did
> not believe there was a god, but he refused to believe, without physical
> proof, that Jesus was alive again.
IOW, he refused to believe that his friend/teacher was/is GOD.

It is not truthful to add to what is written in the Bible.

Actually, these discussions are not adding to what is written in the
Bible.

Thomas' declaration "My LORD and my GOD!" stands as written in John
20:28

There is nothing that either you or I can write here in these USENET
groups to change that.

Quoted message said:

According to
the story the issue was never whether Jesus was God but whether he had
risen from the dead.

Only GOD can resurrect HIMSELF from the dead to defeat death.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life" -- LORD Jesus Christ.

Quoted message said:

Are you deliberately distorting Biblical teaching,
or merely showing your ignorance of the subject again?

It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.

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> That is not "essentially an atheist"
> but a person who basis his beliefs on evidence.
A person who refuses to believe in GOD until s/he sees GOD is
essentially an atheist.

But that is not the issue in the passage you're trying to use as
evidence.

This is the issue in our discussion and Thomas' declaration "My LORD and
my GOD!" upon seeing the risen Jesus Christ stands as irrefutable
evidence that Thomas was an atheist up until that moment.

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> You, being wiser than the disciple, find it possible to believe all
> sorts of improbable things without proof either physical or
> metaphysical.
When faith is placed in the LORD, all things become possible.

QED

Indeed it is so written.

For this you will remain in my prayers, dear Don whom I love, in Jesus'
most precious and holy name.

May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIM.

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Andrew
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Whacko. No hospital will let him practice...

Don Kirkman said:

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <[email hidden]>:

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Don Kirkman said:

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <[email hidden]>:
>Don Kirkman wrote:
>> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
>> article <[email hidden]>:

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>> >It is written that the disciple "Doubting" Thomas was essentially an
>> >atheist until he saw the risen Jesus saying he would not believe in the
>> >resurrection until he had the opportunity to put his hand into Jesus'
>> >side and his fingers through the holes of HIS hands. Thankfully, he
>> >changed his mind upon seeing the risen Jesus and decided to accept
>> >salvation through faith when he declared "My LORD and my GOD!" (John
>> >20:28)

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>> So Jesus had an atheist among his disciples?

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>Yes. HE also had a money-worshipper (Judas Iscariot) among his
>disciples.

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Irrelevant and not at issue.

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Actually this is relevant. If Jesus picked out a money-worshipper to be
a disciple then why not an atheist?

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We are all sinners and fall short of HIS glory.

Irrelevant to the issue.

That is not what I discern.

Quoted message said:

A money-worshipper may well be a theist.

A money-worshipper can not follow Christ Jesus not only by the example
of Disciple Judas Iscariot who was chosen to follow the LORD only to
betray HIM but also in the account of the rich man (Matthew 19:16-24).

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An
atheist cannot be, by definition.

"With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
--LORD Jesus Christ

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>> Or have you once again
>> failed to comprehend the plain English?

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>No.

Apparently the answer should be "yes."

No.

"Let your yes mean yes and your no mean no." -- LORD Jesus Christ

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>> Nowhere does it say Thomas did
>> not believe there was a god, but he refused to believe, without physical
>> proof, that Jesus was alive again.

Quoted message said:

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>IOW, he refused to believe that his friend/teacher was/is GOD.

Quoted message said:

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It is not truthful to add to what is written in the Bible.

Quoted message said:

Actually, these discussions are not adding to what is written in the
Bible.

Quoted message said:

Thomas' declaration "My LORD and my GOD!" stands as written in John
20:28

And how does that indicate he had never believed in God before that?

This reveals that Disciple "Doubting" Thomas tended to believe only that
which he sees. Prior to Jesus, he had never seen GOD so it logically
follows that he did not believe in GOD.

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He
is saying that he somehow has come to equate Jesus with God, not that he
(a practicing Jew) had never believed in the God of the Jewish history
before that time.

Jesus is GOD of the Jewish history before that time, though many have
and will continue to deny HIM up until the end but then finally every
knee will bend, every head will bow, and every tongue confess that HE is
King of kings and LORD of lords.

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Elementary logic, my dear Watson.

Indeed. Those with discerning hearts are masters of logic.

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There is nothing that either you or I can write here in these USENET
groups to change that.

It doesn't need changing--your shallow literalism continues to lead you
astray.

You will have to make up your mind concerning the specific accusations
that you desire to level as you once again choose to bear false witness.

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According to
the story the issue was never whether Jesus was God but whether he had
risen from the dead.

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Only GOD can resurrect HIMSELF from the dead to defeat death.

Yet the usual doctrine is that God the Father resurrected Jesus, thought
by his disciples to be the Son of God.

The truth transcends all doctrine:

"We are going to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the
prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled. HE will be handed over
to the Gentiles. They will mock HIM, insult HIM, spit on HIM, flog HIM,
and kill HIM. On the third day, HE will rise again." -- LORD Jesus
Christ

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Are you deliberately distorting Biblical teaching,
or merely showing your ignorance of the subject again?

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It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.

No, it obviously remains your choice not to answer questions and to
continue writing whatever pops into your troubled consciousness.

The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.

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>> That is not "essentially an atheist"
>> but a person who basis his beliefs on evidence.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>A person who refuses to believe in GOD until s/he sees GOD is
>essentially an atheist.

Quoted message said:

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But that is not the issue in the passage you're trying to use as
evidence.

Quoted message said:

This is the issue in our discussion and Thomas' declaration "My LORD and
my GOD!" upon seeing the risen Jesus Christ stands as irrefutable
evidence that Thomas was an atheist up until that moment.

Repeating the error you made above does not change it to a true
statement.

See above.

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>> You, being wiser than the disciple, find it possible to believe all
>> sorts of improbable things without proof either physical or
>> metaphysical.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>When faith is placed in the LORD, all things become possible.

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QED

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Indeed it is so written.

Yes, you have demonstrated (Quod Erat Demonstrandum) that you "find it
possible to believe all sorts of improbable things without proof either
physical or metaphysical."

Proof remains subordinate to the truth.

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Sorry that you so obviously missed the connection between what I wrote,
your reply, and the QED. :-) <G> lol rotflol

"Written laughter is silent despair."

Sorry this discourse causes you great despair.

Please forgive all my iniquities.

You will remain in my prayers, dear Don whom I love, in Jesus' most
precious and holy name.

May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIM.

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hey Chung...how 'bout we meet at the Big Chicken and I kick your fundie ass.

Geoff said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hey Chung...how 'bout we meet at the Big Chicken and I kick your fundie ass.

"Fear of man will prove to be a snare, but whoever trusts in the LORD is
kept safe." -- King Solomon (Proverbs 29:25)

For this you will be in my prayers, dear Geoff whom I love, in Jesus'
most precious and holy name.

May GOD help you overcome your fear of Christians.

Amen.

When HE does, perhaps you will be able to attend this:

http://tinyurl.com/rsb8e

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Andrew
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Geoff said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Hey Chung...how 'bout we meet at the Big Chicken and I kick your fundie
ass.

"Fear of man will prove to be a snare, but whoever trusts in the LORD is
kept safe." -- King Solomon (Proverbs 29:25)

Oh whatever.

Andrew B. Chung said:

Geoff said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hey Chung...how 'bout we meet at the Big Chicken and I kick your fundie ass.

"Fear of man will prove to be a snare, but whoever trusts in the LORD is
kept safe." -- King Solomon (Proverbs 29:25)

Luke 6:29
And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other;
and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.

JessHC said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

Geoff said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Hey Chung...how 'bout we meet at the Big Chicken and I kick your fundie ass.

"Fear of man will prove to be a snare, but whoever trusts in the LORD is
kept safe." -- King Solomon (Proverbs 29:25)

Luke 6:29
And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other;
and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.

You have the wrong context. Sorry. Please forgive all my iniquities.

For this you will remain in my prayers, dear JessHC whom I love, in
Jesus' most precious and holy name.

May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIM.

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Sorry. Please forgive all my iniquities.

Why the heck do you keep saying this?

Geoff said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Sorry. Please forgive all my iniquities.

Why the heck do you keep saying this?

Because it remains my choice to continue walking with Christ Jesus,
Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.

In keeping with this, you will remain in my prayers, dear Geoff whom I
love, in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIM.

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Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Geoff said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Sorry. Please forgive all my iniquities.

Why the heck do you keep saying this?

Because it remains my choice to continue walking with Christ Jesus,
Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.

All well and good, but you didn't even come close to answering the question.
Why would you ask perfect strangers to "forgive all you iniquities"?