Re: Choosing low-end 9-speed Campagnolo group?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

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Choosing low-end 9-speed Campagnolo group?

Xenon
Mirage
Veloce

I have bought a used Eddy Merckx 'MX Leader' frame and I am looking
forward to build my first road bike.

I am not to participate in racing. I will use it for exercise a couple of
times a week and for fun rides.

Is there any reason for me to look pass Xenon and to choose one of the
others instead?

Obviously not for chasing seconds but what about technical issues and
performance?

If you need to buy an entire group, I'd recommend spending a relatively-few
extra dollars and go 10-speed instead. Doing so will stall off "legacy"
issues for quite a bit longer, since Campy tends to provide better support
(parts, such as cassettes) for their current technology than they do their
older stuff. On the other hand, 10-speed chains are quite a bit more durable
than their 9-speed counterparts (if you go 10, best to keep your drivetrain
very clean and things will last a lot longer).

--Mike Jacoubowsky

As Dave has pointed out, Campy 9-speed drivetrains work quite nicely
with Shimano 9-speed clusters. Seeing as how even Shimano 7-speed
freehub clusters (and freewheels back to 5-speed...) are available at
almost any LBS worth the name, I'm not too worried about obsolescence.

That said, 10-speed intercompatibility is at least as good. On the other
hand, if you change your mind, the 9-10 upgrade for Campy shifters is
possible and not cost-prohibitive. On the gripping hand, hey, it's
10-speed.

For me, the deciding factor has always been the availability of sensible
parts at the right price. That's why my last race bike had Sora-Ace
shifters, and why the new bike will have Veloce.

--
Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com
Verus de parvis; verus de magnis.

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

Choosing low-end 9-speed Campagnolo group?

Xenon
Mirage
Veloce

I have bought a used Eddy Merckx 'MX Leader' frame and I am looking

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

forward to build my first road bike.

I am not to participate in racing. I will use it for exercise a

couple of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

times a week and for fun rides.

Is there any reason for me to look pass Xenon and to choose one of

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

others instead?

Obviously not for chasing seconds but what about technical issues

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

performance?

If you need to buy an entire group, I'd recommend spending a

relatively-few

Quoted message said:

extra dollars and go 10-speed instead. Doing so will stall off

"legacy"

Quoted message said:

issues for quite a bit longer, since Campy tends to provide better

support

Quoted message said:

(parts, such as cassettes) for their current technology than they do

their

Quoted message said:

older stuff.

Campagnolo still making 8s cogsets....

On the other hand, 10-speed chains are quite a bit more durable

Quoted message said:

than their 9-speed counterparts (if you go 10, best to keep your

drivetrain

Quoted message said:

very clean and things will last a lot longer).

Sram 9s chains and Campagnolo 9s chains are as durable as
Wipperman/Campagnolo/IRD 10s chains. The only 'weak link' chain we see
is DA 10s...which has shown to be very finisky.

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--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

On Tue, 10 May 2005 23:23:30 -0700, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]>

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That said, 10-speed intercompatibility is at least as good. On the other
hand, if you change your mind, the 9-10 upgrade for Campy shifters is
possible and not cost-prohibitive. On the gripping hand, hey, it's
10-speed.

There is no reason not to get the Campy 10 to start, even if you want
to Shift Shimano 9. The 10 sp shifter shifts the Shimano as well the
9sp one. There is also a Hubub hookup that will permit you to use a
Shiman rear derailleur. The upgrade of a Campy 9 to 10 isn't really
economcal unless your talking about the upper end of the line. The
shift disk is $35 and shift cam $3. Add any shipping or tax, and
that's $40. If you do the work yourself, you're ok but a shop will
charg $25. Getting at the shift cam on the front end of the shifter
is tricky. A Veloce 10 shifter costs only a few $ more than Veloce
9. The only thing you can't shift with Campy 10, is Campy 9.

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Sram 9s chains and Campagnolo 9s chains are as durable as
Wipperman/Campagnolo/IRD 10s chains. The only 'weak link' chain we see
is DA 10s...which has shown to be very finisky.

Quoted message said:

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

Hi Peter, is Shimano standing behind their problem 10-speed chains? A
friend of mine, had one break with only a few hundred miles on it, and
now I am thinking it may be warrantable.

What kind of problems are you seeing?

Life is Good!
Jeff

In article <[email hidden]>,

Paul Kopit said:

On Tue, 10 May 2005 23:23:30 -0700, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

That said, 10-speed intercompatibility is at least as good. On the other
hand, if you change your mind, the 9-10 upgrade for Campy shifters is
possible and not cost-prohibitive. On the gripping hand, hey, it's
10-speed.

There is no reason not to get the Campy 10 to start, even if you want
to Shift Shimano 9. The 10 sp shifter shifts the Shimano as well the
9sp one. There is also a Hubub hookup that will permit you to use a
Shiman rear derailleur. The upgrade of a Campy 9 to 10 isn't really
economcal unless your talking about the upper end of the line. The
shift disk is $35 and shift cam $3. Add any shipping or tax, and
that's $40. If you do the work yourself, you're ok but a shop will
charg $25. Getting at the shift cam on the front end of the shifter
is tricky. A Veloce 10 shifter costs only a few $ more than Veloce
9. The only thing you can't shift with Campy 10, is Campy 9.

In my particular case, a very very good reason to get Veloce 9 was
because I was offered a set at an excellent price, probably because the
original owner of the shifters was upgrading to Record 10.

It's good to be behind the leading edge,

--
Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com
Verus de parvis; verus de magnis.

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Campagnolo still making 8s cogsets....

....when they feel like it. There have been times where it was impossible,
for many months at a time, to get Campy 8-speed cogsets. And when you'd call
and ask them (the US Campy folk) about it, they'd say that all production
was currently going to (at the time) 9-speed, but they'd eventually get
around to doing some more 8s. Fine, Shimano's out of things from
time-to-time as well, but generally not for such a long time, and generally
not throughout all models (so perhaps you couldn't get a DuraAce version of
a cassette, but a '105 or Ultegra could be had).

It also helps availability for Shimano that they continue older standards in
lower-level equipment. 8-speed on Sora, for example.

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On the other hand, 10-speed chains are quite a bit more durable

Quoted message said:

than their 9-speed counterparts (if you go 10, best to keep your

drivetrain

Quoted message said:

very clean and things will last a lot longer).

Sram 9s chains and Campagnolo 9s chains are as durable as
Wipperman/Campagnolo/IRD 10s chains. The only 'weak link' chain we see
is DA 10s...which has shown to be very finisky.

I wasn't talking about breakage issues, just the increased wear that results
from a narrower chain. Are you saying you're not seeing the 10s versions of
the Wipperman's wearing out (lengthening) more quickly than their 9s
counterparts? Wish that were the case here. The nastier-than-normal winter &
spring here in Northern California have proven to be quite the testing
ground for product wear issues.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

Choosing low-end 9-speed Campagnolo group?

Xenon
Mirage
Veloce

I have bought a used Eddy Merckx 'MX Leader' frame and I am looking

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

forward to build my first road bike.

I am not to participate in racing. I will use it for exercise a

couple of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

times a week and for fun rides.

Is there any reason for me to look pass Xenon and to choose one of

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

others instead?

Obviously not for chasing seconds but what about technical issues

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

performance?

If you need to buy an entire group, I'd recommend spending a

relatively-few

Quoted message said:

extra dollars and go 10-speed instead. Doing so will stall off

"legacy"

Quoted message said:

issues for quite a bit longer, since Campy tends to provide better

support

Quoted message said:

(parts, such as cassettes) for their current technology than they do

their

Quoted message said:

older stuff.

Campagnolo still making 8s cogsets....

On the other hand, 10-speed chains are quite a bit more durable

Quoted message said:

than their 9-speed counterparts (if you go 10, best to keep your

drivetrain

Quoted message said:

very clean and things will last a lot longer).

Sram 9s chains and Campagnolo 9s chains are as durable as
Wipperman/Campagnolo/IRD 10s chains. The only 'weak link' chain we see
is DA 10s...which has shown to be very finisky.

Quoted message said:

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

In article <[email hidden]>,

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Quoted message said:

since Campy tends to provide better

support

Quoted message said:

(parts, such as cassettes) for their current technology than they do

their

Quoted message said:

older stuff.

Campagnolo still making 8s cogsets....

Campy still makes 13-26 and 12-23 8 speed cogsets.

I bought a frameset and gruppo instead of a Trek to get precisely what
I wanted; grip tape to gears. With 8 cogs that meant
13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21. My 18 cog wore out first because 50 x 18 is my
favorite gear.

So I bought two new freehubs to accomodate the 9 speed spline
count, the right brifter ratchet for the 9 speed upgrade, and cassettes
for both rear wheels.

Campy no longer has a 13-23 9 speed cassette. Hopefully I'll be able to
space a 10 speed Veloce cassette out to match. Otherwise it will mean
10 speed cassettes for both wheels and the guts of a crashed 10 speed
right brifter going into my old 8-speed body.

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Dans le message de news:[email hidden],
Drew Eckhardt <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

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Campy no longer has a 13-23 9 speed cassette. Hopefully I'll be able
to space a 10 speed Veloce cassette out to match. Otherwise it will
mean 10 speed cassettes for both wheels and the guts of a crashed 10
speed right brifter going into my old 8-speed body.

It must be availability in the US, but Miche makes 9-speed cassettes,
currently, and probably will continue. I picked up one today, 13-28, for a
little mountain excursion this weekend. The shelves are full. BTW, with
Miche, and a nice shop, you will not lose your 18 ! The cogs are all
separate, and you can buy them singly.
--
Bonne route,

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

Drew Eckhardt said:

Campy no longer has a 13-23 9 speed cassette.

Yes they have.

See http://www.campagnolo.com/groupsets.php?gid=4&cid=5

~PB