Re: Chelation Clinics

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Subject: Re: Chelation Clinics
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 1/23/2004 2:41 PM Pacific Standard Time
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you are dumber than a post and thicker than a tree!!!!

even after you are repeatedly told your "studies" are NOT....you just repeat
posting them...

we are still waiting for the angiographic evidence that chelation reverses
athersclerosis....until you can provide such....

you are a pathetic whiny wannabe

funny...but when someone generally needs chelation..ie for heavy metal...they
don't go to these clinics.....hospitals and legitimate medical practitioners
can provide such therapy....we used to chelate kids for lead..and kidney
patients for iron overload all the time..not a difficult thing to do...and no
need to sacrifice one's medical coverage to see a quackster who only wants your
money..

hawki

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Subject: Re: Chelation Clinics
From: [email hidden] (Hawki63)
Date: 1/23/2004 5:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Subject: Re: Chelation Clinics
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 1/23/2004 2:41 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

you are dumber than a post and thicker than a tree!!!!

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you are a pathetic whiny wannabe

There ya go, the *gang* purpose for being here.

To belittle.

A pitiy, Hawki wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes in my profession.

Jan

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For others:

These Clinics are busy. if one wants to know about chealtion, go ask

someone

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with ACTUAL experience.

Debunkers would like to ignore all the Clinics providing chelation.

They also need to be reminded of debunking of the past.

http://www.cancure.org/directory_clinics.htm

Well, looky there. My own alt med doc is listed.
And, to think I was a hair's breadth away from trying the
grapefruit and olive oil liver cleanse when I dumped him.

http://www.mbp.state.md.us/bpqapp/
license # D10243
Can I pick them, or what?

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Subject: Re: Chelation Clinics
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 1/23/2004 7:25 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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A pitiy, Hawki wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes in my profession.

I think you need to look up the definition of "professional"....

cuz you don't fit the word....

you who admitted yourself not long ago...that only ONE "teacher" in your
"preschool" even had 2 years of college....even that person was not
professional..

you with NO college...LOL LOL

you ran a business...a bunch of glorified babysitters

hawki

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Subject: Re: Chelation Clinics
From: [email hidden] (Hawki63)
Date: 1/23/2004 11:01 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Subject: Re: Chelation Clinics
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 1/23/2004 7:25 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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A pitiy, Hawki wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes in my profession.

I think you need to look up the definition of "professional"....

cuz you don't fit the word....

You wouldn't have a clue.

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you who admitted yourself not long ago...that only ONE "teacher" in your
"preschool" even had 2 years of college....even that person was not
professional..

[censored] usually comes home to you. With all you did about my not reading what
I posted, you have egg on your face.

From: Jan ([email hidden])
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My teachers all had degrees, one having a two year degree, with one
half of the day in class and the other half with the kids. She was the best
teacher I ever had.

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you with NO college...LOL LOL

you ran a business...a bunch of glorified babysitters

hawki

I suggest you visit a local high quality daycare center, you have not a clue.

Please correct your reading habiits, rather than [censored] about others.

Jan

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Subject: Re: Chelation Clinics
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 1/23/2004 7:25 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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A pitiy, Hawki wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes in my profession.

I think you need to look up the definition of "professional"....

cuz you don't fit the word....

you who admitted yourself not long ago...that only ONE "teacher" in your
"preschool" even had 2 years of college....even that person was not
professional..

you with NO college...LOL LOL

She didn't finish highschool, either.

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you ran a business...a bunch of glorified babysitters

Correction, diaper-changers.

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hawki

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Subject: Re: Chelation Clinics
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 1/24/2004 12:04 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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My teachers all had degrees, one having a two year degree, with one
half of the day in class and the other half with the kids. She was the best
teacher I ever had.

"all had degrees....ONE had a two year degree"

perhaps I misunderstood...but the assumption is that the OTHER teachers had
LESS than two years

btw...two years does NOT make a teacher anyway!!! maybe a glorifed babysitter
in a preschool...

"teachers" have a minimum of 4-5 years of college,,,then get a credential..then
most begin courses towards a master's degree

would you care to define "what degrees the others had""....around here the
community colleges offers a two year program for preschool folks...they are NOT
teachers at the end...but do meet the state regs for the MINIMAL amount of
education needed...

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I suggest you visit a local high quality daycare center, you have not a clue.

my grandtwins go to an excellent one...ALL the TEACHERS have a minumum of a
bachelor's degree...in this state that means 4 years of college 1 year of
student teaching..requirements for a teaching credential

btw in medicine it is assumed that a "superior" will always have MORE education
than those they supervise....YOU without a college degree acted as the business
owner...having no teaching capabilities at all....you shouldn't have been
determing the educational levels etc....do the books..pay the bills...but you
were not a teacher,,,so you shouldn't have been around the kids

certainly not discussing childhood vaccinations with parents with your biased
views...that is medical stuff...refer them to their pediatrician..and simply
record the date of said shots...

hawki

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Subject: Re: Chelation Clinics
From: [email hidden] (Ilsa9)
Date: 1/24/2004 8:39 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Correction, diaper-changers.

hopefully at least some of the kids in her care managed to get toilet trained??
hawki

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Subject: Re: Chelation Clinics
From: [email hidden] (Ilsa9)
Date: 1/24/2004 8:39 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Correction, diaper-changers.

hopefully at least some of the kids in her care managed to get toilet
trained??
hawki

Egad, can you imagine the psychological torture involved if Jan were the
teacher? I'm sure some of her victims are even more chronically constipated
than she is!

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Subject: Re: Chelation Clinics
From: [email hidden] (Hawki63)
Date: 1/24/2004 10:44 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Subject: Re: Chelation Clinics
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 1/24/2004 12:04 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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My teachers all had degrees, one having a two year degree, with one
half of the day in class and the other half with the kids. She was the best
teacher I ever had.

"all had degrees....ONE had a two year degree"

perhaps I misunderstood...but the assumption is that the OTHER teachers had

LESS than two years

That's very strange logic.

***My teachers all had degrees,***

***one having a two year degree***

I am sorry, you can't seem to understand the word *ONE*

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btw...two years does NOT make a teacher anyway!!!

That's correct. Some are teachers who have no degree, but a natural talent, can
teach circles around those with degrees.

A degree does not a teacher make.

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.having no teaching capabilities at all.

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so you shouldn't have been around the kids

You haven't a clue, you are just [censored].

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certainly not discussing childhood vaccinations with parents with your biased

views...

There you go again, I did NOT discsussion vaccinations except to make sure the
kids had them. As a matter of fact at that time I was not aware of the adverse
reactions.

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.that is medical stuff...refer them to their pediatrician..and simply
record the date of said shots...

I had to remind parents the shots were due, I did NOT work with any
pediatricians. I did on occassion take the kids myself as requested by a parent
who was in a bind for time.

Stick to what you know, because you sure know nothing about directing a daycare
center.

Jan

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Subject: Re: Chelation Clinics
From: [email hidden] (Ilsa9)
Date: 1/24/2004 8:39 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Subject: Re: Chelation Clinics
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 1/23/2004 7:25 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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A pitiy, Hawki wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes in my profession.

I think you need to look up the definition of "professional"....

cuz you don't fit the word....

you who admitted yourself not long ago...that only ONE "teacher" in your
"preschool" even had 2 years of college....even that person was not
professional..

you with NO college...LOL LOL

She didn't finish highschool, either.

That's a blatant lie, typical of Andrew Kingoff.

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you ran a business...a bunch of glorified babysitters

Correction, diaper-changers.

Wrong again, we didn't take kids under the age of three.

Andrew Kingoff, proven liar.

Jan

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Subject: Re: Chelation Clinics
From: [email hidden] (Hawki63)
Date: 1/24/2004 10:45 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Subject: Re: Chelation Clinics
From: [email hidden] (Ilsa9)
Date: 1/24/2004 8:39 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Correction, diaper-changers.

hopefully at least some of the kids in her care managed to get toilet
trained??
hawki

That shows how bright you are, in beliving anything Andrew Kingoff has to say.

Jan

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Subject: Re: Chelation Clinics
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 1/24/2004 11:01 PM Pacific Standard Time
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That's correct. Some are teachers who have no degree, but a natural talent,
can

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teach circles around those with degrees.

A degree does not a teacher make.

ahhh...welll legally it certainly does...surely all with legitimate credentials
might not be so great

but calling a non degreed person a "teacher" is like calling a orderly a
medical doctor..

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You haven't a clue, you are just [censored].

I have more than a clue...YOU do not have a formal education (read collegiate
plus credential) as a teacher..thus you ran a business....

again..it is typical for daycare and preschools (at least here) to have
master's degreed credentialed teachers at the helm

you collected the money and paid the bills...

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.that is medical stuff...refer them to their pediatrician..and simply

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record the date of said shots...

I had to remind parents the shots were due, I did NOT work with any
pediatricians. I did on occassion take the kids myself as requested by a

again..who can't read?? I said "refer them to THEIR pediatrician"....let a
real doc keep up their medical records..etc..

sure hope those parents had written consents for you to take the kids for
medical care.....I have them for all my sister's kids and the
grandkids....again..the legal thing to do...

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Stick to what you know, because you sure know nothing about directing a
daycare
center.

sure I do...you paid the bills etc...you managed a business....teaching
innocents is not what you are qualified to do...nor are you by any stretch a
professional...

hawki

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Subject: Re: Chelation Clinics
From: [email hidden] (Hawki63)
Date: 1/25/2004 12:04 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Subject: Re: Chelation Clinics
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 1/24/2004 11:01 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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That's correct. Some are teachers who have no degree, but a natural talent,
can

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teach circles around those with degrees.

A degree does not a teacher make.

ahhh...welll legally it certainly does...surely all with legitimate
credentials
might not be so great

I can assure you legally is not what parents are interested in.

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but calling a non degreed person a "teacher" is like calling a orderly a
medical doctor..

Nope.

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You haven't a clue, you are just [censored].

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I have more than a clue..

No, you have not the slightest knowledge of my daycare centers.

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you collected the money and paid the bills...

Like, I said you are clueless.

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.that is medical stuff...refer them to their pediatrician..and simply

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record the date of said shots...

I had to remind parents the shots were due, I did NOT work with any
pediatricians. I did on occassion take the kids myself as requested by a

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again..who can't read??

YOU.

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I said "refer them to THEIR pediatrician"....let a
real doc keep up their medical records..etc..

LOL, you are completely stupid. The child shot records, with the doctors
signature, must to be at the center. To be inspected by the state.

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sure hope those parents had written consents for you to take the kids for
medical care....

I have them for all my sister's kids and the grandkids....again..the legal
thing to do...

Correct.

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Stick to what you know, because you sure know nothing about directing a
daycare
center.

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sure I do...you paid the bills etc.

You have not a clue.

Jan

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Subject: Re: Chelation Clinics
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 1/25/2004 4:30 PM Pacific Standard Time
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I can assure you legally is not what parents are interested in.

ahhhh...interesting admission on your part.....

I cannot imagine any parent I know allowing their children in ANY situation
that does not meet ALL requirements of the state....to suggest less it is admit
that what you were providing was glorified babysitting.....

but even good babysitters are asked for "bonding" papers..

yikes

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but calling a non degreed person a "teacher" is like calling a orderly a
medical doctor..

and janny says: NOPE

sure is miss janny...is that what the kids called you in your business
employing some NON legally educated folks referred to as TEACHER??

hawki.....

any info imparted by me does not represent any views other than my own.....

any and all medical info is for your use in helping you and your health care
provider evaluate and treat any problems

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There you go again, I did NOT discsussion vaccinations except to make sure

the

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kids had them. As a matter of fact at that time I was not aware of the

adverse

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reactions.

So, you now admit that you have personal experience showing that the
"adverse reactions" were so insignificant that you failed to notice them.

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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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There you go again, I did NOT discsussion vaccinations except to make sure

the

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kids had them. As a matter of fact at that time I was not aware of the

adverse

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reactions.

So, you now admit that you have personal experience showing that the
"adverse reactions" were so insignificant that you failed to notice them.

Checkmate!

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Subject: Re: Chelation Clinics
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 1/25/2004 4:30 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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I can assure you legally is not what parents are interested in.

ahhhh...interesting admission on your part.....

I cannot imagine any parent I know allowing their children in ANY situation
that does not meet ALL requirements of the state....to suggest less it is
admit
that what you were providing was glorified babysitting.....

but even good babysitters are asked for "bonding" papers..

yikes

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but calling a non degreed person a "teacher" is like calling a orderly a
medical doctor..

and janny says: NOPE

sure is miss janny...is that what the kids called you in your business
employing some NON legally educated folks referred to as TEACHER??

hawki.....

any info imparted by me does not represent any views other than my own.....

any and all medical info is for your use in helping you and your health care
provider evaluate and treat any problems

Hawki, bear in mind that Jan started her business back in the 60's, in a rural
part of Indiana. Let's just say that regulations & job descriptions then &
there weren't quite as comprehensive as they are today.

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Subject: Re: Chelation Clinics
From: [email hidden] (Ilsa9)
Date: 1/26/2004 7:56 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Hawki, bear in mind that Jan started her business back in the 60's, in a
rural
part of Indiana. Let's just say that regulations & job descriptions then &
there weren't quite as comprehensive as they are today.

ahhhh..didn't know that

the regs today would probablly not allow her to run a daycare center...surely
not an area where parents are well educated...
hawki.....

any info imparted by me does not represent any views other than my own.....

any and all medical info is for your use in helping you and your health care
provider evaluate and treat any problems