Re: Cervical cancer

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Cervical cancer
From: J [email hidden]
Date: 4/29/2004 4:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

http://www.nevdgp.org.au/geninf/aca_htm/ac_colposcopy_conebiopsy.htm

thanks for posting these..however the OP was looking for "alternative"
treatment

simple excision (ie cone or LEEP) would be considered "cut and burn" by the
alties...

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http://www.cone-biopsy.org/
J

hawki.....

Actually you are talking [censored] as I demonstrated with Coley's toxins.
I was told Coley's toxins were of no therapeutic value at all.
When I dug out the randomised blinded study people changed their minds.
Now how much more of these 'quack cures' could offer terminal patients hope
and a possible cure?
Consider that.
Anth

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Peter Bowditch said:

J said:

Hawki63 wrote:

> thanks for posting these..however the OP was looking for "alternative"
> treatment
>
> simple excision (ie cone or LEEP) would be considered "cut and burn"

by the

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> alties...

I'm aware of that but I'm into saving lives. (not fairy tales)
http://www.gynalternatives.com/cervical.htm
J

You must be new here. My brother is an expert in the early detection
of possible cervical cancer. The pathologists and doctors he works for
appreciate his work because it allows them to achieve a very high
success rate in treating a potentially fatal condition using a simple
and safe surgical procedure. The "alternative" method is to let the
women die.

I has originally posted a message about a woman being given ludicrous
and dangerous advice (see repeated message below). The reaction from
alt supporters ranged from ridicule to apathy. I posted my collection
of suggestions to see if I could get any of the alt believers to say
that even one of them was ridiculous, but the reaction was the same -
ridicule or silence.

By the way, on the day that some researchers announced a breakthrough
in the development of a vaccine against the virus which causes
cervical cancer, the anti-vaccination liars geared up to fight it.
They extended their contempt for children to include adult women as
well.

Here is my original message:

The following message was recently posted to the Dr Clark mailing
list:

<quote>
Hey all,
I haven't posted much here, just lurking and reading and trying to
keep up with Dr. Clark's methods. Here's my problem. I was diagnosed
with dysplasia of the cervix (pre-cancer cells). For the past 6
months, I've been doing the Dr. Clark thing. I even went and had my
dental work done.

I went back two weeks ago and had a repap assuming everything was
going to be good. Well, I got the results this morning. It's STILL
High grade dysplasia. I'm at a loss as to what to do now besides
surgery to have the dysplasia removed.

Any suggestions? Her book "A Cure For All Diseases" really doesn't say
much about the cervix.

Lisa
</quote>

Suggestions so far have mainly been to use colloidal silver (both
orally and topically), plus one person who offered a purge recipe to
"warm the cervix". My favourite, however, has to be : "Something
that's about 100% effective is ozone insufflation". In the real world,
something which is "about 100% effective" is a simple surgical
procedure carried out under local anaesthetic.We are talking about a
deadly disease here, one which kills countless women worldwide each
year.When Lisa dies, nobody will attribute the death to quackery.

It appears that the primary purpose of most of the more vocal and
rabid alties is to demonize conventional medicine while falsely
promoting alternative medicine. Toward that end they are averse to
recommending a conventional treatment and even more averse to
criticizing an alternative treatment. IT matters little to them if the
consequence of their recommendation means death to the person. What
only matters is that alternative medicine is promoted. Sad that.

Aloha,
Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance

(If you are the J who runs alt.support.cancer imo you are a liar)
Anth

"J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hawki63 said:

thanks for posting these..however the OP was looking for "alternative"
treatment

simple excision (ie cone or LEEP) would be considered "cut and burn" by

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

alties...

I'm aware of that but I'm into saving lives. (not fairy tales)
http://www.gynalternatives.com/cervical.htm
J

Hawki63 said:

thanks for posting these..however the OP was looking for "alternative"
treatment

simple excision (ie cone or LEEP) would be considered "cut and burn" by the
alties...

I'm aware of that but I'm into saving lives. (not fairy tales)
http://www.gynalternatives.com/cervical.htm
J

J said:

Hawki63 said:

thanks for posting these..however the OP was looking for "alternative"
treatment

simple excision (ie cone or LEEP) would be considered "cut and burn" by the
alties...

I'm aware of that but I'm into saving lives. (not fairy tales)
http://www.gynalternatives.com/cervical.htm
J

You must be new here. My brother is an expert in the early detection
of possible cervical cancer. The pathologists and doctors he works for
appreciate his work because it allows them to achieve a very high
success rate in treating a potentially fatal condition using a simple
and safe surgical procedure. The "alternative" method is to let the
women die.

I has originally posted a message about a woman being given ludicrous
and dangerous advice (see repeated message below). The reaction from
alt supporters ranged from ridicule to apathy. I posted my collection
of suggestions to see if I could get any of the alt believers to say
that even one of them was ridiculous, but the reaction was the same -
ridicule or silence.

By the way, on the day that some researchers announced a breakthrough
in the development of a vaccine against the virus which causes
cervical cancer, the anti-vaccination liars geared up to fight it.
They extended their contempt for children to include adult women as
well.

Here is my original message:

The following message was recently posted to the Dr Clark mailing
list:

<quote>
Hey all,
I haven't posted much here, just lurking and reading and trying to
keep up with Dr. Clark's methods. Here's my problem. I was diagnosed
with dysplasia of the cervix (pre-cancer cells). For the past 6
months, I've been doing the Dr. Clark thing. I even went and had my
dental work done.

I went back two weeks ago and had a repap assuming everything was
going to be good. Well, I got the results this morning. It's STILL
High grade dysplasia. I'm at a loss as to what to do now besides
surgery to have the dysplasia removed.

Any suggestions? Her book "A Cure For All Diseases" really doesn't say
much about the cervix.

Lisa
</quote>

Suggestions so far have mainly been to use colloidal silver (both
orally and topically), plus one person who offered a purge recipe to
"warm the cervix". My favourite, however, has to be : "Something
that's about 100% effective is ozone insufflation". In the real world,
something which is "about 100% effective" is a simple surgical
procedure carried out under local anaesthetic.We are talking about a
deadly disease here, one which kills countless women worldwide each
year.When Lisa dies, nobody will attribute the death to quackery.

--
Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
Quintessence of the Loon http://www.ratbags.com/loon
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

Peter Bowditch said:

J said:

Hawki63 said:

thanks for posting these..however the OP was looking for "alternative"
treatment

simple excision (ie cone or LEEP) would be considered "cut and burn" by the
alties...

I'm aware of that but I'm into saving lives. (not fairy tales)
http://www.gynalternatives.com/cervical.htm
J

You must be new here. My brother is an expert in the early detection
of possible cervical cancer. The pathologists and doctors he works for
appreciate his work because it allows them to achieve a very high
success rate in treating a potentially fatal condition using a simple
and safe surgical procedure. The "alternative" method is to let the
women die.

I has originally posted a message about a woman being given ludicrous
and dangerous advice (see repeated message below). The reaction from
alt supporters ranged from ridicule to apathy. I posted my collection
of suggestions to see if I could get any of the alt believers to say
that even one of them was ridiculous, but the reaction was the same -
ridicule or silence.

By the way, on the day that some researchers announced a breakthrough
in the development of a vaccine against the virus which causes
cervical cancer, the anti-vaccination liars geared up to fight it.
They extended their contempt for children to include adult women as
well.

Here is my original message:

The following message was recently posted to the Dr Clark mailing
list:

<quote>
Hey all,
I haven't posted much here, just lurking and reading and trying to
keep up with Dr. Clark's methods. Here's my problem. I was diagnosed
with dysplasia of the cervix (pre-cancer cells). For the past 6
months, I've been doing the Dr. Clark thing. I even went and had my
dental work done.

I went back two weeks ago and had a repap assuming everything was
going to be good. Well, I got the results this morning. It's STILL
High grade dysplasia. I'm at a loss as to what to do now besides
surgery to have the dysplasia removed.

Any suggestions? Her book "A Cure For All Diseases" really doesn't say
much about the cervix.

Lisa
</quote>

Suggestions so far have mainly been to use colloidal silver (both
orally and topically), plus one person who offered a purge recipe to
"warm the cervix". My favourite, however, has to be : "Something
that's about 100% effective is ozone insufflation". In the real world,
something which is "about 100% effective" is a simple surgical
procedure carried out under local anaesthetic.We are talking about a
deadly disease here, one which kills countless women worldwide each
year.When Lisa dies, nobody will attribute the death to quackery.

It appears that the primary purpose of most of the more vocal and
rabid alties is to demonize conventional medicine while falsely
promoting alternative medicine. Toward that end they are averse to
recommending a conventional treatment and even more averse to
criticizing an alternative treatment. IT matters little to them if the
consequence of their recommendation means death to the person. What
only matters is that alternative medicine is promoted. Sad that.

Aloha,
Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance

Quoted message said:

From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Cervical cancer

Quoted message said:

The "alternative" method is to let the
women die.

Never mind Peter, he has a need to lie a few times ach day.

Quoted message said:

I posted my collection
of suggestions

Peter has no medical training.

Quoted message said:

They extended their contempt for children to include adult women as
well.

Lie # 2.

Jan

<snip spam>

Quoted message said:

ubject: Re: Cervical cancer
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 4/30/2004 7:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Peter has no medical training.

so says Janster who cannot even spell "medicine"...

and lies like the proverbial rug

hawki.....

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Cervical cancer

Quoted message said:

The "alternative" method is to let the
women die.

Never mind Peter, he has a need to lie a few times ach day.

How is this a lie?

Tell me, Jan, what advice would you give to a woman who had shown high
level dysplasia at two successive Pap smears, six months apart? What
is the alternative treatment for this? You snipped all my suggestions,
so I suppose that means that none of them would work. What would you
do?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I posted my collection
of suggestions

Which you snipped.

Quoted message said:

Peter has no medical training.

Why does it require medical training to ask about alternative
treatments for high level cervical dysplasia?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

They extended their contempt for children to include adult women as
well.

Lie # 2.

Why is this a lie? The bit you snipped mentioned opposition to a
vaccine against cervical cancer. What could be the motivation of
anyone who was against research to find a vaccine against human
papilloma virus? How could an this attitude be seen as anything other
than contempt for the wellbeing of women?

--
Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
Quintessence of the Loon http://www.ratbags.com/loon
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Cervical cancer

Quoted message said:

The "alternative" method is to let the
women die.

Never mind Peter, he has a need to lie a few times ach day.

Lie??

Want an example of a lie Jan? Here is one you keep telling:

http://tinyurl.com/yw4b5

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You claim you were "near
death" from a mere eight mercury amalgams!

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W R O N G!!!!

Quoted message said:

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I have NEVER said I had eight amalgams. You have been listening to Rich's LIES.

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Quoted message said:

Jan

http://tinyurl.com/ysxuq

Quoted message said:

On 26 Jun 1999, JDrew63929 wrote:

Quoted message said:

You are way off base here. I didn't say I was instantly cured. The detoxing
that I have done is a major factor in my recovery. Yes, I will continue to do
it for quite some time to remove the mercury from my body. I am feeling much
better, because I am not receiving a new dose of mercury each day. The
elimination of 8 mercury amalgams has made a difference. Nothing psychosomatic
about it.

"Never" said anything about 8 amalgams? Rich's lies?? Kaboom!!

Jan, psychopathic liar, strikes again. And she will continue to say
that I lied about saying she had eight amalgams removed. She will
continue to deny EVER saying she had eight amalgams even though I
proved it with her own words!!

She will
continue to bear false witness against those who expose her lies and
call them stalkers and badgerers just for exposing her egregious lies.

Jan
is pure evil.

Aloha,

Rich

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-------------------------------------------------

The best defense to logic is ignorance

That alt therapies for cancer are ineffective.
Coley's toxins demonstrated efficacy in a double blind clinical trial.(I
have the studies in front of me)
Anth

"J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Anth said:

(If you are the J who runs alt.support.cancer imo you are a liar)
Anth

and the lie was ?
http://tinyurl.com/23nru (find it - then post the tinyurl to it)
J

Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

J said:

Hawki63 said:

thanks for posting these..however the OP was looking for "alternative"
treatment

simple excision (ie cone or LEEP) would be considered "cut and burn" by the
alties...

I'm aware of that but I'm into saving lives. (not fairy tales)
http://www.gynalternatives.com/cervical.htm
J

You must be new here. My brother is an expert in the early detection
of possible cervical cancer. The pathologists and doctors he works for
appreciate his work because it allows them to achieve a very high
success rate in treating a potentially fatal condition using a simple
and safe surgical procedure. The "alternative" method is to let the
women die.

I has originally posted a message about a woman being given ludicrous
and dangerous advice (see repeated message below). The reaction from
alt supporters ranged from ridicule to apathy. I posted my collection
of suggestions to see if I could get any of the alt believers to say
that even one of them was ridiculous, but the reaction was the same -
ridicule or silence.

By the way, on the day that some researchers announced a breakthrough
in the development of a vaccine against the virus which causes
cervical cancer, the anti-vaccination liars geared up to fight it.
They extended their contempt for children to include adult women as
well.

Here is my original message:

The following message was recently posted to the Dr Clark mailing
list:

<quote>
Hey all,
I haven't posted much here, just lurking and reading and trying to
keep up with Dr. Clark's methods. Here's my problem. I was diagnosed
with dysplasia of the cervix (pre-cancer cells). For the past 6
months, I've been doing the Dr. Clark thing. I even went and had my
dental work done.

I went back two weeks ago and had a repap assuming everything was
going to be good. Well, I got the results this morning. It's STILL
High grade dysplasia. I'm at a loss as to what to do now besides
surgery to have the dysplasia removed.

Any suggestions? Her book "A Cure For All Diseases" really doesn't say
much about the cervix.

Lisa
</quote>

Suggestions so far have mainly been to use colloidal silver (both
orally and topically), plus one person who offered a purge recipe to
"warm the cervix". My favourite, however, has to be : "Something
that's about 100% effective is ozone insufflation". In the real world,
something which is "about 100% effective" is a simple surgical
procedure carried out under local anaesthetic.We are talking about a
deadly disease here, one which kills countless women worldwide each
year.When Lisa dies, nobody will attribute the death to quackery.

Early detection & treatment of cervical dysplasia & cervical cancer is
highly successful. Unfortunately, idiots who advise women to avoid
these proven methods will have no problem lying again & denying their
role in the deaths of these patients.

Anth said:

(If you are the J who runs alt.support.cancer imo you are a liar)
Anth

and the lie was ?
http://tinyurl.com/23nru (find it - then post the tinyurl to it)
J

Peter Bowditch said:

<snipped> I posted my collection
of suggestions to see if I could get any of the alt believers to say
that even one of them was ridiculous, but the reaction was the same -
ridicule or silence.

I see. Thank you for explaining.
J