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Re: cast iron and charcole

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  1. "Denise~*" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Doug Kanter said:


    Quoted message said:

    Outdoor cooking is
    not an exact science

    Neither is indoor cooking, which is why recipes say "adjust heat so


    liquid

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    Quoted message said:

    barely simmers". They don't say "turn the knob to 3".

    Duhh, I think the point is, it cannot be controlled as easily as a
    stove, and all stoves are different (as the reason for not saying "turn
    the knob to 3"😉. I've cooked over a fire, but yet to do it with a dutch
    oven. (that's my project for this summer) but even when I cooked over
    the fire with my cast iron skillet, I had to pull my pan off the heat
    when things got too hot. It's difficult, but fun.

    Old grizzled outdoor cook, former really hedonistic boy scout and and very
    lazy field-cooking type here - I have always eaten very well when camping,
    and I use just wood. Breakfast requires sitting down to coffee, eggs,
    pancakes, bacon, fresh biscuits with butter and jam, and cocoa all cooked
    over a campfire.

    Anything I can cook on a stove at home, I can cook in the woods, and
    regulate the heat as easily as having a burner knob -
    - because I am too lazy too keep taking the pot off the fire or changing
    the fire when cooking several dishes at the same time when site camping (vs
    trekking where you put together a fast ten minute cooking fire and move on),
    I came up with the following for open-fire cooking. It takes a lot longer
    to explain than it does to do it.

    Site-camping, you will have a fire and it will have built up a bed of
    coals. (I assume it is not an arsonists delight of five feet across with
    flame ten feet high, but rather a regular campfire)

    When I demonstrate cooking to scouts, I do it as follows, so the idea and
    the options get across. Later, I do it the lazy way (both below):

    Get two similar sized quarter-split (or relatively even sided) 2 ft logs
    and put them on either side of the campfire coal bed, ends at the middle of
    the coal bed, split face down and other split face to the fire.
    Push the logs together, having the separation tapered so you can use
    different pans, and kind of wiggle the two logs down so you can put pans
    level on them with most of the pan bottom over the fire, but stable. Note
    that your hands will be on one end of the logs and outside the campfire
    itself.
    Now the budding arsonists can feed the part of the fire not between the
    pair of logs, to keep a supply of coals.
    Move coals around to get a "kind-of-even" bed between the logs.

    What you have now is an ad hoc classic trench fire used for cooking, the
    tapered trench filled with coals, with side logs to support utensils, but
    without the digging and long fire.

    Normally to regulate cooking over a trench fire, you would have made the
    depth variable along the logs and kept moving coals down the trench . Here,
    we block the heat from the coals.
    You will need some of the heavier wood that will next go into the
    campfire - smaller than the split logs, but big enough to block the heat
    from the coals. And long enough to stick out of the trench for you to grab.
    Put a couple of smaller-than-side-logs logs between the side logs, onto
    the coals,(I have split hardwood. so I don't get much flare-up when I put
    them into the coals.) and put your pans on the side logs, over the coals.
    Rotate or pull out one of the center logs part way out to raise the temp,
    push them in to lower the temp. Pull both out for high heat, both in for
    simmer. When one starts giving you too much flame, replace it with another
    and use the old one to smooth coasl and then throw it on the campfire.

    However, having been doing it for some time, I personally just use three
    bigger pieces of wood (the sizes that need other wood and a three-four log
    stack arrangment to get them to burn) over bed of coals, two bigger outer as
    the sides, and I put my grate up a level over the logs.
    You can turn the third (longer, inner) log to get the three to burn more
    or less by exposing more or less coals on the logs, using the position of
    the middle log - rotate for coals and air-spce between logs, and pull it out
    to let more heat pass.

    The kids think its neat because I turn down or raise the heat on a wood
    fire just like using a big stove knob made out of log, and they all have to
    watch the water boil faster and slower as they turn that middle log one way
    or the other.

    FWIW..

    Quoted message said:
  2. hob said:


    Anything I can cook on a stove at home, I can cook in the woods, and
    regulate the heat as easily as having a burner knob -
    - because I am too lazy too keep taking the pot off the fire or changing
    the fire when cooking several dishes at the same time when site camping (vs
    trekking where you put together a fast ten minute cooking fire and move on),
    I came up with the following for open-fire cooking. It takes a lot longer
    to explain than it does to do it.

    Site-camping, you will have a fire and it will have built up a bed of
    coals. (I assume it is not an arsonists delight of five feet across with
    flame ten feet high, but rather a regular campfire)

    When I demonstrate cooking to scouts, I do it as follows, so the idea and
    the options get across. Later, I do it the lazy way (both below):

    Get two similar sized quarter-split (or relatively even sided) 2 ft logs
    and put them on either side of the campfire coal bed, ends at the middle of
    the coal bed, split face down and other split face to the fire.
    Push the logs together, having the separation tapered so you can use
    different pans, and kind of wiggle the two logs down so you can put pans
    level on them with most of the pan bottom over the fire, but stable. Note
    that your hands will be on one end of the logs and outside the campfire
    itself.
    Now the budding arsonists can feed the part of the fire not between the
    pair of logs, to keep a supply of coals.
    Move coals around to get a "kind-of-even" bed between the logs.

    What you have now is an ad hoc classic trench fire used for cooking, the
    tapered trench filled with coals, with side logs to support utensils, but
    without the digging and long fire.

    Normally to regulate cooking over a trench fire, you would have made the
    depth variable along the logs and kept moving coals down the trench . Here,
    we block the heat from the coals.
    You will need some of the heavier wood that will next go into the
    campfire - smaller than the split logs, but big enough to block the heat
    from the coals. And long enough to stick out of the trench for you to grab.
    Put a couple of smaller-than-side-logs logs between the side logs, onto
    the coals,(I have split hardwood. so I don't get much flare-up when I put
    them into the coals.) and put your pans on the side logs, over the coals.
    Rotate or pull out one of the center logs part way out to raise the temp,
    push them in to lower the temp. Pull both out for high heat, both in for
    simmer. When one starts giving you too much flame, replace it with another
    and use the old one to smooth coasl and then throw it on the campfire.

    However, having been doing it for some time, I personally just use three
    bigger pieces of wood (the sizes that need other wood and a three-four log
    stack arrangment to get them to burn) over bed of coals, two bigger outer as
    the sides, and I put my grate up a level over the logs.
    You can turn the third (longer, inner) log to get the three to burn more
    or less by exposing more or less coals on the logs, using the position of
    the middle log - rotate for coals and air-spce between logs, and pull it out
    to let more heat pass.

    The kids think its neat because I turn down or raise the heat on a wood
    fire just like using a big stove knob made out of log, and they all have to
    watch the water boil faster and slower as they turn that middle log one way
    or the other.

    FWIW..

    Thanks. I'l have to keep a hold on this for when my boy gets older.

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