Re: Can't break through a certain pace

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

Geez, Martin, what difference does it make what they weigh? Have you
ever seen a slow Walrus - I've seen some overweight guys that can
hammer through the water. And what good is pulse rate? It's of no
value - lactate threshold is much more important, isn't it? And that's
difficult to measure.

Strength to body weight important. Those overweight guys you see
hammering through the water have high ones. Pulse rate indicates how
hard he is working. So if the OP has a high pulse rate and is overweight
and not very strong, then we can give him some advice. The point is we
need more information before we can help. I notice you didn't help at
all.

honyakusha said:

On Mon, 15 May 2006 06:11:14 +0200

Martin Smith said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

PB said:

25 metre lap per 45-60 seconds over an hour's time or so...

Is it technique or fitness and lung capacity that improves time ?

How old are you? How much do you weigh? What is your pulse at the end of
a 25?

Forgive me, for responding instead of the OP; since I am interested in
the answer too, here are my responses:

Age: 53
Weight: 72 kg (158 lbs)
Pulse: 150 if I go at full speed without breath

I'm trying to improve my time too; at the moment it is 17.5 seconds for a
25 m lap (front crawl). I learned to swim the front crawl about a year
and a half ago.

Gururaj Rao

17.5 seconds is a fairly quick 25m lap. That you can only average 45-60
seconds / 25m is surprising unless you're really strong and have really
bad form.

On Mon, 15 May 2006 06:23:54 GMT

Mark P said:

honyakusha said:

On Mon, 15 May 2006 06:11:14 +0200

Martin Smith said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"PB" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> 25 metre lap per 45-60 seconds over an hour's time or so...
>
> Is it technique or fitness and lung capacity that improves time ?
How old are you? How much do you weigh? What is your pulse at the end of
a 25?

Forgive me, for responding instead of the OP; since I am interested in
the answer too, here are my responses:

Age: 53
Weight: 72 kg (158 lbs)
Pulse: 150 if I go at full speed without breath

I'm trying to improve my time too; at the moment it is 17.5 seconds for a
25 m lap (front crawl). I learned to swim the front crawl about a year
and a half ago.

Gururaj Rao

17.5 seconds is a fairly quick 25m lap. That you can only average 45-60
seconds / 25m is surprising unless you're really strong and have really
bad form.

There is a little misunderstanding - the first quote:

"25 metre lap per 45-60 seconds over an hour's time or so..."

was by the original poster "PB" <[email hidden]>.

Secondly, the 17.5 seconds that I did is my fastest time until now,
without taking a breath during the 25-m lap. If I were to swim
continuously (with breaks of a few seconds) for an hour, I don't think I
would be able to maintain this time.

I think the original poster's question was:
Would doing a 25-m lap every 45-60 seconds for an hour improve his
timing? (I presume that he does 25 m in say xx seconds, rests for yy
seconds until 45 seconds, then does another 25 m in xx seconds... and so
on for an hour).

I am curious too. Would this method of training improve my fastest
timing from 17.5 seconds to say 15 seconds?

Hope this is now clear.
Cheers.

Gururaj Rao

honyakusha said:

On Mon, 15 May 2006 06:23:54 GMT

Mark P said:

honyakusha said:

On Mon, 15 May 2006 06:11:14 +0200
Martin Smith <[email hidden]> wrote:

> In article <[email hidden]>,
> "PB" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> 25 metre lap per 45-60 seconds over an hour's time or so...
>>
>> Is it technique or fitness and lung capacity that improves time ?
> How old are you? How much do you weigh? What is your pulse at the end of
> a 25?

Forgive me, for responding instead of the OP; since I am interested in
the answer too, here are my responses:

Age: 53
Weight: 72 kg (158 lbs)
Pulse: 150 if I go at full speed without breath

I'm trying to improve my time too; at the moment it is 17.5 seconds for a
25 m lap (front crawl). I learned to swim the front crawl about a year
and a half ago.

Gururaj Rao

17.5 seconds is a fairly quick 25m lap. That you can only average 45-60
seconds / 25m is surprising unless you're really strong and have really
bad form.

There is a little misunderstanding - the first quote:

"25 metre lap per 45-60 seconds over an hour's time or so..."

was by the original poster "PB" <[email hidden]>.

Secondly, the 17.5 seconds that I did is my fastest time until now,
without taking a breath during the 25-m lap. If I were to swim
continuously (with breaks of a few seconds) for an hour, I don't think I
would be able to maintain this time.

I think the original poster's question was:
Would doing a 25-m lap every 45-60 seconds for an hour improve his
timing? (I presume that he does 25 m in say xx seconds, rests for yy
seconds until 45 seconds, then does another 25 m in xx seconds... and so
on for an hour).

I am curious too. Would this method of training improve my fastest
timing from 17.5 seconds to say 15 seconds?

I don't think the way you described it was the OP's intent. I think he
meant he swims at that pace continuously.

But, yes, if you swim 25m all-out sprints for an hour, say on a minute
interval, you can improve your speed that way. You will also be dead
tired well before the hour is up.

In article <[email hidden]>,

honyakusha said:

Secondly, the 17.5 seconds that I did is my fastest time until now,
without taking a breath during the 25-m lap. If I were to swim
continuously (with breaks of a few seconds) for an hour, I don't think I
would be able to maintain this time.

First, I agree with MarkP. 25m in 17 sec is terrific for a 53-year-old
male. Come to think of it, it's pretty good for someone several years
younger than that.

No, no one would expect you to keep up that pace for an hour.

Quoted message said:

I think the original poster's question was:
Would doing a 25-m lap every 45-60 seconds for an hour improve his
timing? (I presume that he does 25 m in say xx seconds, rests for yy
seconds until 45 seconds, then does another 25 m in xx seconds... and so
on for an hour).

Of course. Interval training is well known to be the way to work on
speed. But 0:45 gives too much rest between 25m sprints. Maybe a bit
shorter?

Quoted message said:

I am curious too. Would this method of training improve my fastest
timing from 17.5 seconds to say 15 seconds?

It's worth trying.

Ross