In article <6e7c8129-cddf-4726-87f1- [email hidden]>, spindrift says...
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Speed is the single most important factor in road safety as the links demonstrate. Reduce speed and accident rates plummet. Look at Hull.
Indeed, lets look at Hull seeing as I and a few others in here are extremely familiar with it.
Speed limits in Hull have been reduced more by the over use of speed humps, the [censored] quality of the roads and the massive increase in congestion.
The areas which are covered by the 20MPH limit hardly had any cars going down them anyway as most of them are in areas which are no more than two streets deep from the main road which back onto the old railway lines so you're only going to be going down there if you live there - there's no rat runs.
I have passed (not been involved in) a different road collision every single day for the past week - and that, in under 200 miles. Yes, the roads are a bit slippy, but they aren't *that* bad.
I have seen not a single one this week and I do in excess of 300 miles per day.
In article <a0b43cd7-ed86-41a3-9692- [email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...
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The first three 20 mph zones in the UK were implemented in January 1991. Five years later, the Transport Research Laboratory reviewed the results from 250 zones in England, Wales and Scotland. The average speed in these areas was reduced by 9 mph.
So reduce a limit of 30 to a zone of 20, and people still exceeded the posted speed by 1mph. That same critical 1mph you keep bleating about.
Nonsense. If the reality was anything like that, we'd be seeing carnage around us every time we went out.
I have passed (not been involved in) a different road collision every single day for the past week - and that, in under 200 miles. Yes, the roads are a bit slippy, but they aren't *that* bad.
Rubbish.
I do 800-1200 miles PER WEEK and don't see that many accidents.
Same here. Accidents tend to be mainly within peak rush hour times in busy areas and the Govt stats support this.
In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...
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Simon Brooke said:
MrBitsy said:
spindrift wrote:
> Speed is the single most important factor in road safety as the > links demonstrate. Reduce speed and accident rates plummet. Look at > Hull.
I don't get it - all the threads and posts from the cyclists have all been about dangerous driving. All of the examples have been due to poor observation, lack of anticipation, poor planning and poor attitude.
Why are they now going on about speed?
Because I frankly don't care how poor a driver's observation, anticipation, planning and attitude are so long as he's stationary, and I'm not much bothered provided his speed is less than mine. It's when he's driving his ton of junk faster than I can get out of his way, while eating crisps, talking on his phone and fiddling with his satnav, that he's a lethal menace.
And also, it's worth pointing out that the overwhelming majority of drivers on Britain's roads lack reasonable observation, anticipation, planning and attitude.
You DO understand the real problem then. The bad habits you just listed do not only start to happen higher than the posted limit.
We all know that drivers have bad habits. The consequencies of these bad habits would be reduced at a lower speed. -- Cheers, Mark
In article <6e7c8129-cddf-4726-87f1- [email hidden]>, spindrift says...
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Speed is the single most important factor in road safety as the links demonstrate. Reduce speed and accident rates plummet. Look at Hull.
Indeed, lets look at Hull seeing as I and a few others in here are extremely familiar with it.
Speed limits in Hull have been reduced more by the over use of speed humps, the [censored] quality of the roads and the massive increase in congestion.
The areas which are covered by the 20MPH limit hardly had any cars going down them anyway as most of them are in areas which are no more than two streets deep from the main road which back onto the old railway lines so you're only going to be going down there if you live there - there's no rat runs.
Is that because there is such high unemployment that there are no rats to do the running?
> spindrift wrote: > >> Speed is the single most important factor in road safety as the links >> demonstrate. Reduce speed and accident rates plummet. Look at Hull. > I don't get it - all the threads and posts from the cyclists have all > been about dangerous driving. All of the examples have been due to poor > observation, lack of anticipation, poor planning and poor attitude. > > Why are they now going on about speed? Because I frankly don't care how poor a driver's observation, anticipation, planning and attitude are so long as he's stationary, and I'm not much bothered provided his speed is less than mine. It's when he's driving his ton of junk faster than I can get out of his way, while eating crisps, talking on his phone and fiddling with his satnav, that he's a lethal menace.
And also, it's worth pointing out that the overwhelming majority of drivers on Britain's roads lack reasonable observation, anticipation, planning and attitude.
Nonsense. If the reality was anything like that, we'd be seeing carnage around us every time we went out.
I have passed (not been involved in) a different road collision every single day for the past week - and that, in under 200 miles. Yes, the roads are a bit slippy, but they aren't *that* bad.
Today's incident: someone had spun a Honda Accord - presumably front wheel drive - on a 30mph limit residential road, ending up crashing into two parked cars and being hit from behind by another car. There wasn't even any ice on the road, so how they managed it is beyond me.
Anyone who claims driving standards in this country are anything other than abysmal is deluding themselves.
Don't worry about it. I expect you know what you're talking about, but I certainly don't see it the way you do, and I often cover a lot more than 200 miles in a week. Driving 600 miles in a day is not exceptional for me.
> Speed is the single most important factor in road safety as the > links demonstrate. Reduce speed and accident rates plummet. Look at > Hull.
I don't get it - all the threads and posts from the cyclists have all been about dangerous driving. All of the examples have been due to poor observation, lack of anticipation, poor planning and poor attitude.
Why are they now going on about speed?
Because I frankly don't care how poor a driver's observation, anticipation, planning and attitude are so long as he's stationary, and I'm not much bothered provided his speed is less than mine. It's when he's driving his ton of junk faster than I can get out of his way, while eating crisps, talking on his phone and fiddling with his satnav, that he's a lethal menace.
And also, it's worth pointing out that the overwhelming majority of drivers on Britain's roads lack reasonable observation, anticipation, planning and attitude.
You DO understand the real problem then. The bad habits you just listed do not only start to happen higher than the posted limit.
No, but the physical injury they do is proportional to the fourth power of the speed. People hit by cars doing less than 25mph mostly don't die. People hit by cars doing more than 35mph mostly do die. So given that most drivers are [censored], I'd prefer they stayed below 25mph when they're anywhere near me.
I have passed (not been involved in) a different road collision every single day for the past week - and that, in under 200 miles. Yes, the roads are a bit slippy, but they aren't *that* bad.
I have seen not a single one this week and I do in excess of 300 miles per day.
Your point?
The observation of the average driver is atrocious. I'm not surprise you haven't seen any, but the question is how many have you passed without seeing?
Nonsense. If the reality was anything like that, we'd be seeing carnage around us every time we went out.
I have passed (not been involved in) a different road collision every single day for the past week - and that, in under 200 miles. Yes, the roads are a bit slippy, but they aren't *that* bad.
Rubbish.
I do 800-1200 miles PER WEEK and don't see that many accidents.
Anyone who claims driving standards in this country are anything other than abysmal is deluding themselves.
Abysmal compared to what or where and what do you sugget as a means of improving standards?
Abysmal compared to, for example, air traffic - which is intrinsically much more dangerous. To improve things, lifetime driving ban for anyone involved in a collision. Drivers would suddenly become a lot more carefull.
In article <a0b43cd7-ed86-41a3-9692- [email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...
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The first three 20 mph zones in the UK were implemented in January 1991. Five years later, the Transport Research Laboratory reviewed the results from 250 zones in England, Wales and Scotland. The average speed in these areas was reduced by 9 mph.
So reduce a limit of 30 to a zone of 20, and people still exceeded the posted speed by 1mph. That same critical 1mph you keep bleating about.
Or in this case, 2mph because nodoubt you think people should be doing 19 in a 20 zone. You should know there are some very different laws regarding speedlimits and speed zones.
If drivers exceeding a 20mph speed limit by 1mph hit people, the people who get hit will probably recover. Exceeding a 30mph limit by 1mph, it's about fifty-fifty. Any more than that, and people who are hit will mostly die.
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There was an RAC press release t'other day which quoted 94% of accidents as being due to "driver error or 'injudicious action'"
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Speed violations include driving at a speed greatly different than tha prevailing flow of traffic. It might be called dangerous driving or inhibiting the free flow of traffic or other terms, depending upon nation.
Doing so to move the vehicle to a safer location might get the driver off the hook, though.
