Re: Badwater Ultramarathon Rule

"crafty counterpuncher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Can anyone explain this one?

"9.) All entrants must bring one U.S. dollar (or more) in a sealed
envelope to the pre-race meeting. Please write the runner number on

the

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envelope. This envelope will not be returned. "

--Harold Buck

i'm told by folks on the ultra list that it's simply a test to make
sure everyone has read the rules. if you don't read them and follow
em', you're risking death.

Hell death is a quick solution. It's the rest of your life in dialysis
if you don't read the instructions and understand what it means to run a
race like Badwater which defines heat endurance. .

-DougF

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Doug Freese said:

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i'm told by folks on the ultra list that it's simply a test to make
sure everyone has read the rules. if you don't read them and follow
em', you're risking death.

Hell death is a quick solution. It's the rest of your life in dialysis
if you don't read the instructions and understand what it means to run a
race like Badwater which defines heat endurance. .

Yeah, but you could get a Darwin Award!

I'm truly amazed at what those runners are able to do, but I kind of
like the idea of testing them to make sure they read the rules.

--Harold Buck

"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson

Harold Buck said:

I'm truly amazed at what those runners are able to do, but I kind of
like the idea of testing them to make sure they read the rules.

Even more amazing, one guy just did it unsupported, and he's not the
first. I think the cart he was pushing weighed about 250 lb initially to
carry all the ice, etc.

Dot

--
"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

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Dot dot.h@#att.net said:

Harold Buck said:

I'm truly amazed at what those runners are able to do, but I kind of
like the idea of testing them to make sure they read the rules.

Even more amazing, one guy just did it unsupported, and he's not the
first. I think the cart he was pushing weighed about 250 lb initially to
carry all the ice, etc.

I thought the rules said you had to have a support vehicle and two
support people at a minimum, or something like that.

--Harold Buck

"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Doug Freese said:

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i'm told by folks on the ultra list that it's simply a test to

make

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sure everyone has read the rules. if you don't read them and

follow

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em', you're risking death.

Hell death is a quick solution. It's the rest of your life in

dialysis

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if you don't read the instructions and understand what it means to

run a

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race like Badwater which defines heat endurance. .

Yeah, but you could get a Darwin Award!

Good point! 🙂

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I'm truly amazed at what those runners are able to do, but I kind of
like the idea of testing them to make sure they read the rules.

My niece won the female division in 2001 - she loved dry heat, did well
but has not been back. Ultra experience and ultra experience in 100+
heat or elevation are different animals. 😉

_DougF

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I thought the rules said you had to have a support vehicle and two

support people at a minimum, or something like that.

Yup, but he is not really part of the race unless he has two trolls in
the cart. 🙂 It's separate freak show. 😉
-DF

Harold Buck said:

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Dot dot.h@#att.net said:

Even more amazing, one guy just did it unsupported, and he's not the
first. I think the cart he was pushing weighed about 250 lb initially to
carry all the ice, etc.

I thought the rules said you had to have a support vehicle and two
support people at a minimum, or something like that.

Yep, the official race requires that. But most (not all) race courses
can be run at any time under whatever rules you choose. Badwater is one
of those courses that people like to double or go all the way to summit
of Whitney, rather than stopping at portal (National Park issues), or
other variations just to "do" it (although some might be after
unofficial speed records). Doing the course unsupported is one of those
special challenges. This guy ran (suspect a tad bit of walking in there)
the entire Badwater course during the hottest time of year without using
anything other than what he had with him. Others have done a suppported
trail version from the lowest to highest points, but I think they chose
a cooler time of year.

Challenges can be run outside of formal races.

Dot

--
"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

Doug Freese said:

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I thought the rules said you had to have a support vehicle and two

support people at a minimum, or something like that.

Yup, but he is not really part of the race unless he has two trolls in
the cart. 🙂 It's separate freak show. 😉
-DF

Hmmm, aren't the required vehicles supposed to be motorized? Ahh, but I
guess gas propulsion or hot air would count 😉

Dot

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Hmmm, aren't the required vehicles supposed to be motorized? Ahh, but

I

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guess gas propulsion or hot air would count 😉

I understand there is a significant amount of hot dry air at that time
of year. If the 135 miles from 280 to 8360 feet elevation gain isn't
enough of a challege toss in air temps in the 100's and pavement temps
that near 200. Races like this help define heat and hydration.

If anyone cares the rules are described at:
http://www.badwaterultra.com/rules.html

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Harold Buck said:

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Even more amazing, one guy just did it unsupported, and he's not the
first. I think the cart he was pushing weighed about 250 lb initially
to carry all the ice, etc.

I thought the rules said you had to have a support vehicle and two
support people at a minimum, or something like that.

Yep, the official race requires that. But most (not all) race courses
can be run at any time under whatever rules you choose. Badwater is
one of those courses that people like to double or go all the way to
summit of Whitney, rather than stopping at portal (National Park
issues), or other variations just to "do" it (although some might be
after unofficial speed records). Doing the course unsupported is one
of those special challenges. This guy ran (suspect a tad bit of
walking in there) the entire Badwater course during the hottest time
of year without using anything other than what he had with him.

Are you referring to Marshall Ulrich? In the past he's won Badwater a
couple of times I believe, and he's recognized as one of the most capable
ultra athletes in the world. The unsupported run being referred to
actually took place a couple of years ago. Ulrich carried everything in
a rickshaw. A week later he ran the race formally and finished in the
top 10. He's also done double- triple- and quad- crossings of the Death
Valley to Mt Whitney although I believe these were supported. In each of
those cases he also ran the race formally right after, finishing. If I'm
not mistaken, this last Badwater was his 10th completion, one of only two
runners to accomplish the feat.
--
LS

LS said:

Are you referring to Marshall Ulrich? In the past he's won Badwater a
couple of times I believe, and he's recognized as one of the most capable
ultra athletes in the world. The unsupported run being referred to
actually took place a couple of years ago. Ulrich carried everything in
a rickshaw. A week later he ran the race formally and finished in the
top 10. He's also done double- triple- and quad- crossings of the Death
Valley to Mt Whitney although I believe these were supported. In each of
those cases he also ran the race formally right after, finishing. If I'm
not mistaken, this last Badwater was his 10th completion, one of only two
runners to accomplish the feat.

Yep, those would be the details of what I glossed over. Thanks.

I think there's some others that have done some similar feats, iirc, but
not as many as he. Blake Wood is the one that did the cross-country run
from Badwater to top of Whitney.

Both are incredible!

Dot

--
"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope