Re: Attention Mike Vandeman

Bill Sornson said:

Mike Vandeman said:

BS. Climbing drives wildlife away from their refuges. E.g. it could
drive a bird off its nest, killing the chicks.

Mike, Mike, Mike. We all know you're not /interested/ in chicks!

I've seen Mike in person and from what I can tell, he didn't look
like the sort who was interested in chicks or guys. :-)

Mike posted a half truth. In certain instances climbing near a
nesting bird is a problem, but only during certain parts of the
year. The result has been temporary closing of some areas in
Yosemite and other national parks were there were nesting
peregrine falcons or other endangered species within some distance
of a climb.

When this first happened in Yosemite, climbers were a bit suspicious
for a few days because a few rangers didn't really like climbers all
that much, but as soon as it was clear that the goal really was to
protect an engangered species, everyone cooperated and nobody
objected.

A few climbers would help naturalists by rappeling down to a nest at
the naturalists' request to make sure the eggs were OK, etc.

--
My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 03:45:03 GMT, "Bill Sornson"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

..Mike Vandeman wrote:
..
..> BS. Climbing drives wildlife away from their refuges. E.g. it could
..> drive a bird off its nest, killing the chicks.
..
..Mike, Mike, Mike. We all know you're not /interested/ in chicks!
..
..Bill "payback for that PeeWee smack" S.

STILL not worth reading. Nor funny. Try thinking, before opening your mouth.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 04:09:53 GMT, [email hidden] (Bill Z.) wrote:

.."Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]> writes:
..
..> Mike Vandeman wrote:
..>
..> > BS. Climbing drives wildlife away from their refuges. E.g. it could
..> > drive a bird off its nest, killing the chicks.
..>
..> Mike, Mike, Mike. We all know you're not /interested/ in chicks!
..
..I've seen Mike in person and from what I can tell, he didn't look
..like the sort who was interested in chicks or guys. :-)

As if it were relevant, anyway.... Mountain bikers will do ANYTHING to change
the subject away from the harm done by mountain biking....

..Mike posted a half truth. In certain instances climbing near a
..nesting bird is a problem, but only during certain parts of the
..year.

BS. ANY time of the year a cliff represents a place of refuge. This is just an
example of human rationalization.

The result has been temporary closing of some areas in
..Yosemite and other national parks were there were nesting
..peregrine falcons or other endangered species within some distance
..of a climb.
..
..When this first happened in Yosemite, climbers were a bit suspicious
..for a few days because a few rangers didn't really like climbers all
..that much, but as soon as it was clear that the goal really was to
..protect an engangered species, everyone cooperated and nobody
..objected.
..
..A few climbers would help naturalists by rappeling down to a nest at
..the naturalists' request to make sure the eggs were OK, etc.

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

* Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

As if it were relevant, anyway.... Mountain bikers will do ANYTHING to change
the subject away from the harm done by mountain biking....

Well then no wonder you hang out here so much that's exactly what you do
regarding the damage done by hikers, horses, atvs etc.

Jason

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

STILL not worth reading. Nor funny. Try thinking, before opening your
mouth.

Now that's funny! I was gonna say the same thing to YOU.

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 04:09:53 GMT, [email hidden] (Bill Z.)
wrote:

."Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]> writes:
.
.> Mike Vandeman wrote:
.>
.> > BS. Climbing drives wildlife away from their refuges. E.g. it could
.> > drive a bird off its nest, killing the chicks.
.>
.> Mike, Mike, Mike. We all know you're not /interested/ in chicks!
.
.I've seen Mike in person and from what I can tell, he didn't look
.like the sort who was interested in chicks or guys. :-)

As if it were relevant, anyway.... Mountain bikers will do ANYTHING to
change
the subject away from the harm done by mountain biking....

Wait a minute. Are we talking about climbing or biking? Let's review.

MIKE POSTED

Quoted message said:

.> > BS. Climbing drives wildlife away from their refuges. E.g. it could
.> > drive a bird off its nest, killing the chicks.

It seems to me, casually mind you, that the discussion that Mike initiated
is about climbing, not biking.

Mike will do anything to change the subject to biking ...