Re: Atkins bars. The horror.

Quoting "Anthony" <[email hidden]>:

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"Perdu" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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What's the heads up on this?

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Eat real food. Meat, fish, eggs, cheese, leafy vegetables. As a treat have
some dark chocolate or perhaps a banana. Stay away from all the
manufactured [censored].

Precisely.

"Anthony" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Perdu" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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What's the heads up on this?

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Eat real food. Meat, fish, eggs, cheese, leafy vegetables. As a treat
have some dark chocolate or perhaps a banana. Stay away from all the
manufactured [censored].

i think atkins advantage bars are very filling. chocolate or a banana would
throw me into cravings & obsessing about foods i can't have and then I binge
(it's ugly, I know) so the Atkins bar satisfies me if I have an attack of
the munchies and don't have a fish in my pocketbook or if I just can't stop
for lunch. I also think they changed them and they were better 6 years ago
but they are definitely on the borderline of good/nasty.

The choc.pb flavor is what I have - only. I have tryed other and they have
sugar alcohols and even smell vile, bad aftertaste and all. i have found the
choc.pb bar tastes alot like a "funnybone" (hostess? drakes?) enough to
trick my evil sweet tooth!

Anthony said:

Eat real food. Meat, fish, eggs, cheese, leafy vegetables. As a treat have
some dark chocolate or perhaps a banana. Stay away from all the
manufactured [censored].

That's boring. I don't think most people including me are willing to
monotonize my diet so much. Bars are generally good because they are
filling and enforce portion size. Otherwise people tend to eat too much.

I just happen to be one of the people who absolutly LOVE the coconut
bars. They remind me of Peter Paul Mounds bars. OK, they are not
perfect, but neither am I 🙂)))

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...

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"Perdu" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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What's the heads up on this?

--

Eat real food. Meat, fish, eggs, cheese, leafy vegetables. As a treat have
some dark chocolate or perhaps a banana. Stay away from all the
manufactured [censored].

In article <[email hidden]>, greg <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Anthony said:

Eat real food. Meat, fish, eggs, cheese, leafy vegetables. As a treat
have
some dark chocolate or perhaps a banana. Stay away from all the
manufactured [censored].

That's boring.

Find ways other than food to be entertained.

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I don't think most people including me are willing to
monotonize my diet so much.

There are many, many different ways of preparing the foods listed above,
so that the diet is not monotonous. Just for an example, let's talk
about what you can do with scrambled eggs or an omlet.

Add one or more of the following:

Cheese - too many kinds to list
Ham
Steak
Hamburger
Onions
Mushrooms
Spinach
Peppers, sweet or hot
Crab meat (I swear, this is yum)
Broccoli

Ok, so you can have ham and American cheese one day, then mushrooms and
spinach another day, then crab and cream cheese, then broccoli and
hamburger, etc. Each combination is a unique flavor, not monotonous at
all, and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

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Bars are generally good because they are
filling and enforce portion size. Otherwise people tend to eat too much.

People tend to eat too much regardless.

Luna said:

Find ways other than food to be entertained.

Why? Food has a priveledge pathway to pleasure in our brain. Denying
yourself that pleasure makes life less worthwhile.

Quoted message said:

There are many, many different ways of preparing the foods listed above,
so that the diet is not monotonous.

Simple permutation doesn't make something less monotonous.

Quoted message said:

People tend to eat too much regardless.

True. But with structured diets with pre-arranged portion sizes they do
much better.

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 05:21:02 GMT, Luna <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>, greg <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Anthony said:

Eat real food. Meat, fish, eggs, cheese, leafy vegetables. As a

treat

Quoted message said:

have
some dark chocolate or perhaps a banana. Stay away from all the
manufactured [censored].

That's boring.

Find ways other than food to be entertained.

Quoted message said:

I don't think most people including me are willing to
monotonize my diet so much.

There are many, many different ways of preparing the foods listed above,
so that the diet is not monotonous. Just for an example, let's talk
about what you can do with scrambled eggs or an omlet.

Add one or more of the following:

Cheese - too many kinds to list
Ham
Steak
Hamburger
Onions
Mushrooms
Spinach
Peppers, sweet or hot
Crab meat (I swear, this is yum)
Broccoli

Ok, so you can have ham and American cheese one day, then mushrooms and
spinach another day, then crab and cream cheese, then broccoli and
hamburger, etc. Each combination is a unique flavor, not monotonous at
all, and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Quoted message said:

Bars are generally good because they are
filling and enforce portion size. Otherwise people tend to eat too much.

People tend to eat too much regardless.

While I rarely eat these bars anymore, sometimes they're exactly what I
need. They're "sweet" and filling. Also, they can be kept
unrefridgerated (sp?), which is very helpful at times, particularly for
traveling. Plus, I really don't like to eat cheese. After being on low
fat for many years, I still can't quite like the taste of cheese unless
it's melted over something.

--
Bob in CT

greg <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

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Simple permutation doesn't make something less monotonous.

Then your logic doesn't hold up. Why do you eat the bars? Because you need
variety? Or because you crave something sweet? You can achieve either
without resorting to processed bars that were conceived in a laboratory and
have 3 dozen entries in the ingredients listing.

If you like the bars, and you can afford as many as you want, and they
satisfy your craving, and you can find a place for them in your eating
plan, more power to you. I think they all taste like ear wax rolled in
furniture polish.

On the occasion that I 'need' chocolate, I eat very dark chocolate. On the
occasion that I need variety from my default menu of meat and salad and
nuts, I consult my cookbooks or go to epicurious.com.

Cate

Cate said:

Why do you eat the bars? Because you need
variety? Or because you crave something sweet? You can achieve either
without resorting to processed bars that were conceived in a laboratory and
have 3 dozen entries in the ingredients listing.

My normal limit is 2 dozen ingredients, but what the heck.

"Curt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I just happen to be one of the people who absolutly LOVE the coconut
bars. They remind me of Peter Paul Mounds bars. OK, they are not
perfect, but neither am I 🙂)))

i used to eat the coconut bars often (yummm with a can of Fresca) Now that i
revisited them i don't like them. I think they changed the recipes. They
don't even make the chocolate raspberry bar anymore. I used to have one for
breakfast with a can of Diet Dr Brown's black cherry soda (mmm- what a
combo)

i don't think there was splenda back then

Cate said:

greg <[email hidden]> wrote in

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Simple permutation doesn't make something less monotonous.

Then your logic doesn't hold up. Why do you eat the bars? Because you

need

Quoted message said:

variety? Or because you crave something sweet? You can achieve either

Quoted message said:

without resorting to processed bars that were conceived in a

laboratory and

Quoted message said:

have 3 dozen entries in the ingredients listing.

Cate,

I debated responding, but I want to comment on what appears to be the
idea that LC is only done correctly when one is "pure" in the
composition of one's foods. This is not a site for support of organic
foods, natural foods, or even processed foods. There have been several
aggresive responses in this thread implying that the consumers of
commercially-produced LC food are somewhat weak or flawed. Certainly
the tone has been condescending at best.

We are here for low carb support, not judgement.

I wouldn't like to see anyone make a diet exclusively of processed and
pre-packaged LC foods, and I don't think anyone here is suggesting they
are. And it's also true that much of the beauty of LC eating is its
elegant simplicity. There appears, however, to be a place for a
diverse approach to LC: We are all trying to find our way to a similar
result.

The idea that one's efforts are not worthy if not completely perfect is
a certain recipe for failure.

Regards,

Coff
325/283/185

That's exactly why you're still so fat.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"coff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Cate said:

greg <[email hidden]> wrote in

news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Simple permutation doesn't make something less monotonous.

Then your logic doesn't hold up. Why do you eat the bars? Because you

need

Quoted message said:

variety? Or because you crave something sweet? You can achieve either

Quoted message said:

without resorting to processed bars that were conceived in a

laboratory and

Quoted message said:

have 3 dozen entries in the ingredients listing.

Cate,

I debated responding, but I want to comment on what appears to be the
idea that LC is only done correctly when one is "pure" in the
composition of one's foods. This is not a site for support of organic
foods, natural foods, or even processed foods. There have been several
aggresive responses in this thread implying that the consumers of
commercially-produced LC food are somewhat weak or flawed. Certainly
the tone has been condescending at best.

We are here for low carb support, not judgement.

I wouldn't like to see anyone make a diet exclusively of processed and
pre-packaged LC foods, and I don't think anyone here is suggesting they
are. And it's also true that much of the beauty of LC eating is its
elegant simplicity. There appears, however, to be a place for a
diverse approach to LC: We are all trying to find our way to a similar
result.

The idea that one's efforts are not worthy if not completely perfect is
a certain recipe for failure.

Regards,

Coff
325/283/185

You gotta be doing something right to lose 42 pounds. Coff's doing
fine. Many people do fine even when they have an occasional Atkins bar.
I mean, heck, my sister's almost to her goal weight and she's not even
doing low-carb at all.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

That's exactly why you're still so fat.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"coff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Cate said:

greg <[email hidden]> wrote in

news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

> Simple permutation doesn't make something less monotonous.

Then your logic doesn't hold up. Why do you eat the bars? Because you

need

Quoted message said:

variety? Or because you crave something sweet? You can achieve either

Quoted message said:

without resorting to processed bars that were conceived in a

laboratory and

Quoted message said:

have 3 dozen entries in the ingredients listing.

Cate,

I debated responding, but I want to comment on what appears to be the
idea that LC is only done correctly when one is "pure" in the
composition of one's foods. This is not a site for support of organic
foods, natural foods, or even processed foods. There have been several
aggresive responses in this thread implying that the consumers of
commercially-produced LC food are somewhat weak or flawed. Certainly
the tone has been condescending at best.

We are here for low carb support, not judgement.

I wouldn't like to see anyone make a diet exclusively of processed and
pre-packaged LC foods, and I don't think anyone here is suggesting they
are. And it's also true that much of the beauty of LC eating is its
elegant simplicity. There appears, however, to be a place for a
diverse approach to LC: We are all trying to find our way to a similar
result.

The idea that one's efforts are not worthy if not completely perfect is
a certain recipe for failure.

Regards,

Coff
325/283/185

"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

That's exactly why you're still so fat.

what is it that makes you stay an @ss?

Tori

--
Bonnie 3/02
Xavier 10/04

Goal 1- lose 20 lbs By May 1st

Let me know when he gets down to a human weight. Until then, he hasn't
really done much.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

You gotta be doing something right to lose 42 pounds. Coff's doing
fine. Many people do fine even when they have an occasional Atkins bar.
I mean, heck, my sister's almost to her goal weight and she's not even
doing low-carb at all.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

That's exactly why you're still so fat.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"coff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Cate wrote:
> greg <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:
>
> > Simple permutation doesn't make something less monotonous.
>
> Then your logic doesn't hold up. Why do you eat the bars? Because you
need
> variety? Or because you crave something sweet? You can achieve either

> without resorting to processed bars that were conceived in a
laboratory and
> have 3 dozen entries in the ingredients listing.

Cate,

I debated responding, but I want to comment on what appears to be the
idea that LC is only done correctly when one is "pure" in the
composition of one's foods. This is not a site for support of organic
foods, natural foods, or even processed foods. There have been several
aggresive responses in this thread implying that the consumers of
commercially-produced LC food are somewhat weak or flawed. Certainly
the tone has been condescending at best.

We are here for low carb support, not judgement.

I wouldn't like to see anyone make a diet exclusively of processed and
pre-packaged LC foods, and I don't think anyone here is suggesting they
are. And it's also true that much of the beauty of LC eating is its
elegant simplicity. There appears, however, to be a place for a
diverse approach to LC: We are all trying to find our way to a similar
result.

The idea that one's efforts are not worthy if not completely perfect is
a certain recipe for failure.

Regards,

Coff
325/283/185

Is that always your reaction to the truth. No wonder you became obese.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Tori M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

That's exactly why you're still so fat.

what is it that makes you stay an @ss?

Tori

--
Bonnie 3/02
Xavier 10/04

Goal 1- lose 20 lbs By May 1st

coff said:

Cate said:

greg <[email hidden]> wrote in

news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Simple permutation doesn't make something less monotonous.

Then your logic doesn't hold up. Why do you eat the bars? Because you

need

Quoted message said:

variety? Or because you crave something sweet? You can achieve either

Quoted message said:

without resorting to processed bars that were conceived in a

laboratory and

Quoted message said:

have 3 dozen entries in the ingredients listing.

Cate,

I debated responding, but I want to comment on what appears to be the
idea that LC is only done correctly when one is "pure" in the
composition of one's foods. This is not a site for support of organic
foods, natural foods, or even processed foods. There have been several
aggresive responses in this thread implying that the consumers of
commercially-produced LC food are somewhat weak or flawed. Certainly
the tone has been condescending at best.

We are here for low carb support, not judgement.

I wouldn't like to see anyone make a diet exclusively of processed and
pre-packaged LC foods, and I don't think anyone here is suggesting they
are. And it's also true that much of the beauty of LC eating is its
elegant simplicity. There appears, however, to be a place for a
diverse approach to LC: We are all trying to find our way to a similar
result.

The idea that one's efforts are not worthy if not completely perfect is
a certain recipe for failure.

Regards,

Coff
325/283/185

What happened with me is that I ate a lot of bars and the like when I
started, but I've gradually gone away from them. I rarely eat them now,
but they do serve a purpose -- what else (other than maybe nuts) can you
put in your pocket and carry with you?

--
Bob in CT

I average around 100g of carbs a day. I'm down 71 pounds from my start
weight, and am presently at the lowest weight I have been (well, since
middle school probably). I'm losing around 3/4 of a pound a week at
present. Could I be losing more if I ate fewer carbs? Quite probably.
Likewise if I had a rigorous exercise program. Neither of those are
sustainable for me, that is, something that I would continue to do. What
I am doing now is working for me, and I am likely to continue to follow
it.

Some people do have problems with the occasional high-carb treat. They
have an ice cream, and then they have to have another. And another. So
they may need to avoid high carb treats more than others. Likewise some
people need to stay close to induction to lose weight. They can't eat
the LC bars/etc. I've found that I can eat the Asher's LC bars (I like
the raspberry ones) and still lose weight. That doesn't mean I pig out
on them, but I can have one as a treat.

People need to find what works for them, and go with it. I'm at 177 now
(started at 248) and my new goal weight is 165 (previous was 175). Once
I get close to that I might revise it downwards again. On the other
hand, people can't fool themselves that they can cheat daily, pig out on
"LC" products, eat too many calories, and still expect to lose weight.
The scale will confirm that.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Let me know when he gets down to a human weight. Until then, he hasn't
really done much.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

You gotta be doing something right to lose 42 pounds. Coff's doing
fine. Many people do fine even when they have an occasional Atkins bar.
I mean, heck, my sister's almost to her goal weight and she's not even
doing low-carb at all.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

That's exactly why you're still so fat.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"coff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Cate wrote:
>> greg <[email hidden]> wrote in
> news:[email hidden]:
>>
>> > Simple permutation doesn't make something less monotonous.
>>
>> Then your logic doesn't hold up. Why do you eat the bars? Because you
> need
>> variety? Or because you crave something sweet? You can achieve either
>
>> without resorting to processed bars that were conceived in a
> laboratory and
>> have 3 dozen entries in the ingredients listing.
>
>
> Cate,
>
> I debated responding, but I want to comment on what appears to be the
> idea that LC is only done correctly when one is "pure" in the
> composition of one's foods. This is not a site for support of organic
> foods, natural foods, or even processed foods. There have been several
> aggresive responses in this thread implying that the consumers of
> commercially-produced LC food are somewhat weak or flawed. Certainly
> the tone has been condescending at best.
>
> We are here for low carb support, not judgement.
>
> I wouldn't like to see anyone make a diet exclusively of processed and
> pre-packaged LC foods, and I don't think anyone here is suggesting they
> are. And it's also true that much of the beauty of LC eating is its
> elegant simplicity. There appears, however, to be a place for a
> diverse approach to LC: We are all trying to find our way to a similar
> result.
>
> The idea that one's efforts are not worthy if not completely perfect is
> a certain recipe for failure.
>
> Regards,
>
> Coff
> 325/283/185
>

--
---
Chris Smolinski
Black Cat Systems
http://www.blackcatsystems.com

JC beleives that you're not at a "human weight" unless you have less than
5% bodyfat. JC also does not believe in positive affirmations, so if
you've lost 100 pounds, he doesn't care. One of his students could
discover the link between Quantum and Newtonian physics, and JC would say,
"So?"

Chris Smolinski said:

I average around 100g of carbs a day. I'm down 71 pounds from my start
weight, and am presently at the lowest weight I have been (well, since
middle school probably). I'm losing around 3/4 of a pound a week at
present. Could I be losing more if I ate fewer carbs? Quite probably.
Likewise if I had a rigorous exercise program. Neither of those are
sustainable for me, that is, something that I would continue to do. What
I am doing now is working for me, and I am likely to continue to follow
it.

Some people do have problems with the occasional high-carb treat. They
have an ice cream, and then they have to have another. And another. So
they may need to avoid high carb treats more than others. Likewise some
people need to stay close to induction to lose weight. They can't eat
the LC bars/etc. I've found that I can eat the Asher's LC bars (I like
the raspberry ones) and still lose weight. That doesn't mean I pig out
on them, but I can have one as a treat.

People need to find what works for them, and go with it. I'm at 177 now
(started at 248) and my new goal weight is 165 (previous was 175). Once
I get close to that I might revise it downwards again. On the other
hand, people can't fool themselves that they can cheat daily, pig out on
"LC" products, eat too many calories, and still expect to lose weight.
The scale will confirm that.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Let me know when he gets down to a human weight. Until then, he hasn't
really done much.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. --
MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

You gotta be doing something right to lose 42 pounds. Coff's doing
fine. Many people do fine even when they have an occasional Atkins

bar.

Quoted message said:

I mean, heck, my sister's almost to her goal weight and she's not even
doing low-carb at all.

In article <[email hidden]>,
"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> That's exactly why you're still so fat.
>
> --
> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that.

-- MFW

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>
>
> "coff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > Cate wrote:
> >> greg <[email hidden]> wrote in
> > news:[email hidden]:
> >>
> >> > Simple permutation doesn't make something less monotonous.
> >>
> >> Then your logic doesn't hold up. Why do you eat the bars? Because

you

Quoted message said:

> > need
> >> variety? Or because you crave something sweet? You can achieve

either

Quoted message said:

> >
> >> without resorting to processed bars that were conceived in a
> > laboratory and
> >> have 3 dozen entries in the ingredients listing.
> >
> >
> > Cate,
> >
> > I debated responding, but I want to comment on what appears to be

the

Quoted message said:

> > idea that LC is only done correctly when one is "pure" in the
> > composition of one's foods. This is not a site for support of

organic

Quoted message said:

> > foods, natural foods, or even processed foods. There have been

several

Quoted message said:

> > aggresive responses in this thread implying that the consumers of
> > commercially-produced LC food are somewhat weak or flawed.

Certainly

Quoted message said:

> > the tone has been condescending at best.
> >
> > We are here for low carb support, not judgement.
> >
> > I wouldn't like to see anyone make a diet exclusively of processed

and

Quoted message said:

> > pre-packaged LC foods, and I don't think anyone here is suggesting

they

Quoted message said:

> > are. And it's also true that much of the beauty of LC eating is

its

Quoted message said:

> > elegant simplicity. There appears, however, to be a place for a
> > diverse approach to LC: We are all trying to find our way to a

similar

Quoted message said:

> > result.
> >
> > The idea that one's efforts are not worthy if not completely

perfect is

Quoted message said:

> > a certain recipe for failure.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Coff
> > 325/283/185
> >

--
Bob in CT