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  1. Subject: Re: [FAQ about Jan Drew's advertizing for quackery] 20031111
    From: "Gil" [email hidden]:7503
    Date: 11/11/2003 8:39 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Happy Oyster said:

    Hello,

    in this and other news-groups a person who calls himself Jan Drew

    There's the first lie. As everyone knows I am NOT a he.

    Other lies snipped.

    Jan

  2. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    There's the first lie.
    Other lies snipped.

    Jan

    $ KaChing $18

  3. (Jan) said:

    Subject: Re: [FAQ about Jan Drew's advertizing for quackery] 20031111
    From: "Gil" [email hidden]:7503
    Date: 11/11/2003 8:39 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Happy Oyster said:

    Hello,

    in this and other news-groups a person who calls himself Jan Drew

    There's the first lie. As everyone knows I am NOT a he.

    There is no proof at all for Jan Drew's claim to be female. In
    contrast, Jan Drew claimed to be Dr. Mercola. Strange, isn't it ?

    Quoted message said:

    Other lies snipped.

    Jan

    Jan Drew calls it lies if he is proven a liar.

    Very funny, indeed.

    Regards,

    Aribert Deckers
    --
    The big "gmt"-scam

    http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_gmt1.htm

  4. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Aribett Deckers Has A Screw Loose
    From: Happy Oyster [email hidden]
    Date: 11/13/2003 6:21 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Jan) said:

    Subject: Re: [FAQ about Jan Drew's advertizing for quackery] 20031111
    From: "Gil" [email hidden]:7503
    Date: 11/11/2003 8:39 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Happy Oyster said:

    Hello,

    in this and other news-groups a person who calls himself Jan Drew

    There's the first lie. As everyone knows I am NOT a he.

    There is no proof at all for Jan Drew's claim to be female

    Wrong.

    All kinds of proof in the archives. Plus, I just posted the URL showing my
    pictuure on smd.

    Then there is Bill Ross who has met me.

    You are behind the times and one HUGE liar, with a loose screw.

    From: JDrew63929 ([email hidden])
    Subject: Re: medical profession
    Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
    Date: 2001-06-13 18:16:50 PST

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Just three weeeks ago I had a breast biopsy. Everyone was super. Thank God it


    was OK,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,however the new thing now is to put a tiny piece of
    stainless steel in the targeted area in case they need to do surgery. They
    didn't tell me this until ten mimnutes before. I objected and told the doctor
    my concerns, he assured me he wouldn't do it unless it was necessary. Well now
    I am greatly relieved that everything was OK and am now wondering if I should
    have surgery away to remove this piece of metal in my body?

    Quoted message said:

    Seems to me it was put there for the convenience of the surgeon!!! Now if the


    doctor who did the biopsy knew where to put it from the x-ray, why can't the
    surgeon read the x-ray and tell where to go??

    Quoted message said:

    These are the kind of things I object to, expecially when he knew I had just


    had ALL the metal removed from my mouth!

    Quoted message said:

    So I may have to have surgery after all!

    Quoted message said:

    GGGrrrrrrrr.

    Quoted message said:

    Jan

    Quoted message said:

    In contrast, Jan Drew claimed to be Dr. Mercola

    Absurd.

    Learn to read.

    Quoted message said:

    Strange, isn't it ?

    You are indeed, very strange, and making a fool of yourself. Everyone knows I
    am not Dr Mercola.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Other lies snipped.

    Jan

    Jan Drew calls it lies if he is proven a liar.

    What you post about me is ALL lies, and I am NOT a he.

    Quoted message said:

    Very funny, indeed.

    You are, please get help.

    Jan

  5. (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    There's the first lie. As everyone knows I am NOT a he.

    There is no proof at all for Jan Drew's claim to be female

    Wrong.

    All kinds of proof in the archives. Plus, I just posted the URL showing my
    pictuure on smd.

    All of this is just make-up. It is NO proof.

    Quoted message said:

    Then there is Bill Ross who has met me.

    That is no proof.

    Quoted message said:

    You are behind the times and one HUGE liar, with a loose screw.

    Oh, Jan Drew is angry because his scam breaks apart.

    Quoted message said:

    From: JDrew63929 ([email hidden])
    Subject: Re: medical profession
    Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
    Date: 2001-06-13 18:16:50 PST

    Jan Drew quotes himself and claims his old scam is a proof. Very
    funny.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    In contrast, Jan Drew claimed to be Dr. Mercola

    Absurd.

    Learn to read.

    Everybody can read what Jan Drew wrote. I put it into the FAQ about
    Jan Drew. The case is absolutely clear.

    Quoted message said:

    You are, please get help.

    Jan Drew has a problem : Each time he opens his mouth, people see what
    a liar he is.

    Jan Drew is a naturopath mafia advertizing agency and as such his
    words are rhetoric warfare. Because that is the game --- as Jan Drew
    persuades people to go to charlatans and quacks.

    **********************************************************************

    W A R N I N G

    Believing Jan Drew's lies can lead to the death
    of your children and of yourself.

    **********************************************************************

    Regards,

    Aribert Deckers
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  6. Quoted message said:

    From: Happy Oyster [email hidden]
    Date: 11/15/2003 3:13 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    It is noted this obsessed posted snipped the proof that I am NOT a male.

    It is also noted he is STILL calling me a male.

    Proof, he has a screw loose.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    All kinds of proof in the archives. Plus, I just posted the URL showing my
    pictuure on smd.

    All of this is just make-up. It is NO proof.


    Yes, it *IS* proof., and NONE of it is made up.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Then there is Bill Ross who has met me.

    That is no proof.

    I suggest you e-mail hime and ask him. Unlike you, he is an honest man.

    [email hidden]

    Now for the part this obsessed poster snipped:

    JDrew63929 ([email hidden])
    Subject: Re: medical profession
    Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
    Date: 2001-06-13 18:16:50 PST

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Just three weeeks ago I had a breast biopsy. Everyone was super. Thank God it


    was OK,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,however the new thing now is to put a tiny piece of
    stainless steel in the targeted area in case they need to do surgery. They
    didn't tell me this until ten mimnutes before. I objected and told the doctor
    my concerns, he assured me he wouldn't do it unless it was necessary. Well now
    I am greatly relieved that everything was OK and am now wondering if I should
    have surgery away to remove this piece of metal in my body?

    Quoted message said:

    Seems to me it was put there for the convenience of the surgeon!!! Now if the


    doctor who did the biopsy knew where to put it from the x-ray, why can't the
    surgeon read the x-ray and tell where to go??

    Quoted message said:

    These are the kind of things I object to, expecially when he knew I had just


    had ALL the metal removed from my mouth!

    Quoted message said:

    So I may have to have surgery after all!

    Quoted message said:

    GGGrrrrrrrr.

    Quoted message said:

    Jan

  7. Quoted message said:
    (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    >There's the first lie. As everyone knows I am NOT a he.

    There is no proof at all for Jan Drew's claim to be female

    Wrong.

    All kinds of proof in the archives. Plus, I just posted the URL showing my
    pictuure on smd.

    All of this is just make-up. It is NO proof.

    Quoted message said:

    Then there is Bill Ross who has met me.

    That is no proof.

    Quoted message said:

    You are behind the times and one HUGE liar, with a loose screw.

    Oh, Jan Drew is angry because his scam breaks apart.

    Aribert, Jan IS a woman. By getting this wrong, some may falsely conclude that
    other things you say about her are not true.

    Once again, Jan IS a female. Please make a note of it.

  8. (Ilsa9) said:

    Aribert, Jan IS a woman. By getting this wrong, some may falsely conclude that
    other things you say about her are not true.

    Once again, Jan IS a female. Please make a note of it.

    Dear Ilsa9,

    their is a petite point to make here : IF Jan Drew is NOT Mercola,
    then Jan Drew admits to be an imposter and a liar. ;O)

    Either way, Jan Drew is stuck.

    Regards,

    Aribert Deckers
    --
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  9. Quoted message said:
    (Ilsa9) said:

    Aribert, Jan IS a woman. By getting this wrong, some may falsely conclude


    that

    Quoted message said:

    other things you say about her are not true.

    Once again, Jan IS a female. Please make a note of it.

    Dear Ilsa9,

    their is a petite point to make here : IF Jan Drew is NOT Mercola,
    then Jan Drew admits to be an imposter and a liar. ;O)

    Either way, Jan Drew is stuck.

    Regards,

    Aribert Deckers
    --

    Aribert, it is true that Jan's gender is of very little relevance as far as her
    motives & actions go. Jan is a scientifically illiterate liar, bigot,
    health-[censored], and all around nuisance.

    Whatever Jan may be, we can conclude with 100% certainty, she is a female.
    Pity the long-suffering fool, James, who is her husband.

    Oh, and by the way, Jan is NOT Mercola, she just quotes without attributions,
    which many consider plaigarism. Whatever faults Dr Mercola may have, he can
    count his blessings that being Jan Drew is NOT one of them.

    Regards,

    Ilsa Nein

  10. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Aribett Deckers Has A Screw Loose
    From: Happy Oyster [email hidden]
    Date: 11/16/2003 8:42 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Ilsa9) said:

    Aribert, Jan IS a woman. By getting this wrong, some may falsely conclude


    that

    Quoted message said:

    other things you say about her are not true.

    Once again, Jan IS a female. Please make a note of it.

    Dear Ilsa9,

    their is a petite point to make here : IF Jan Drew is NOT Mercola,
    then Jan Drew admits to be an imposter and a liar. ;O)

    Either way, Jan Drew is stuck.

    Aribett Deckers Has A Screw Loose

    Jan

  11. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Aribett Deckers Has A Screw Loose
    From: Happy Oyster [email hidden]
    Date: 11/16/2003 8:42 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Ilsa9) said:

    Aribert, Jan IS a woman. By getting this wrong, some may falsely conclude


    that

    Quoted message said:

    other things you say about her are not true.

    Once again, Jan IS a female. Please make a note of it.

    Poor, poor ANDREW goofs AGAIN.

    Andrew and I exchanged pictures,

    ilsa9 is Andrew Kingoff.

    Chicken, and despicable liar.

    Jan

    Cue for his enabler to appear, one Richard H. Jacobson who also lies about who
    he is, birds of a feather.

  12. [email hidden] (Jan) wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Aribett Deckers Has A Screw Loose
    From: Happy Oyster [email hidden]
    Date: 11/16/2003 8:42 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Ilsa9) said:

    Aribert, Jan IS a woman. By getting this wrong, some may falsely
    conclude


    that

    Quoted message said:

    other things you say about her are not true.

    Once again, Jan IS a female. Please make a note of it.

    Poor, poor ANDREW goofs AGAIN.

    Andrew and I exchanged pictures,

    ilsa9 is Andrew Kingoff.

    Chicken, and despicable liar.

    Jan

    Cue for his enabler to appear, one Richard H. Jacobson who also lies
    about who he is, birds of a feather.

    This one *really* takes the cake! Ilsa was attempting to correct Aribert's
    repeated assertion that you were male. Anybody reading the above exchange
    could see that. Yet you responded to Ilsa as if she were saying the *exact
    opposite*. You just said she "goofed again" by calling you a female.
    Well, if you *are* a female (and I have no reason to believe you aren't),
    then calling you a female isn't "goofing." It's Aribert, not Ilsa, who
    "goofed."

    It looks to me that you're so angry at Ilsa that you're compelled to refute
    everything she says, even when she says that you are in fact the female you
    claim to be. You're attacking the messenger regardless of the message. If
    someone you dislike says "two plus two is four" are you going to snap "no
    it's not!"? Because that's the equivalent of what you're doing.

    Note that everything I said above would still be true even *if* Ilsa were
    actually Andrew. That's completely irrelevant.

    At this point both you and Aribert are behaving as if neither of you were
    mature enough to start kindergarten.

  13. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Aribett Deckers Has A Screw Loose
    From: Eric Bohlman [email hidden]
    Date: 11/16/2003 8:25 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden] (Jan) wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Aribett Deckers Has A Screw Loose
    From: Happy Oyster [email hidden]
    Date: 11/16/2003 8:42 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    On 16 Nov 2003 01:18:08 GMT, [email hidden] (Ilsa9) wrote:

    >Aribert, Jan IS a woman. By getting this wrong, some may falsely
    >conclude
    that
    >other things you say about her are not true.
    >
    >Once again, Jan IS a female. Please make a note of it.

    Poor, poor ANDREW goofs AGAIN.

    Andrew and I exchanged pictures,

    ilsa9 is Andrew Kingoff.

    Chicken, and despicable liar.

    Jan

    Cue for his enabler to appear, one Richard H. Jacobson who also lies
    about who he is, birds of a feather.

    This one *really* takes the cake!

    Yep, it proofs once again Andrew Kingoff is hiding behind the name ilsa.

    Quoted message said:

    Ilsa was attempting to correct Aribert's
    repeated assertion that you were male

    There is NO IIsa and if there was she has no idea of my gender, Andrew does.

    Quoted message said:

    Anybody reading the above exchange
    could see that.

    Anyone should be able to see that IIsa is Andrew Kingoff.

    Quoted message said:

    Yet you responded to Ilsa as if she were saying the *exact opposite*.

    No, I responded to Aribert Deckers. I don't see Andrew's nonsense posts.

    Quoted message said:

    You just said she "goofed again" by calling you a female.

    Nope, fraid not. I said poor poor Andrew goofs AGAIN. Which is a fact.

    Quoted message said:

    Well, if you *are* a female (and I have no reason to believe you aren't),
    then calling you a female isn't "goofing."

    WOW, you are desperate to twist things.

    Andrew goofed. IIsa *IS* Andrew. If there were an IIsa, she does NOT know my
    gender. Andrew does as we exchanged pictures.

    Get it now??

    Quoted message said:

    It's Aribert, not Ilsa, who
    "goofed."

    They both goofed.

    Why are you trying to protect Andrew Kingoff?????

    hmmmmmm.

    Quoted message said:


    It looks to me that you're so angry

    LOL.

    I am certainly glad you haven't noticed the anger of Andrew Kingoff.

    Quoted message said:

    at Ilsa that you're compelled to refute
    everything she says, even when she says that you are in fact the female you
    claim to be

    Most everything Andrew has ever said is hate, anger and lies. As in
    deconstructing others. Andrew was proven a liar long before you came here, and
    you have seen plenty yourself.

    You're attacking the messenger regardless of the message.

    Yeah yeah Eric. It is *my* attacking.

    Quoted message said:

    If
    someone you dislike says "two plus two is four" are you going to snap "no
    it's not!"? Because that's the equivalent of what you're doing.

    Wrong.

    You are overlooking the fact that Andrew goofed. Do you and he have something
    in common, Eric???

    Quoted message said:

    Note that everything I said above would still be true even *if* Ilsa were
    actually Andrew.

    In your queer mind.

    In fact NOTHING you said was true.

    Quoted message said:

    At this point both you and Aribert are behaving as if neither of you were
    mature enough to start kindergarten.

    While Andrew hides behind the fake name ilsa.

    Lord have mercry. Talk about birds of a feather!!!!

    Jan

  14. (Ilsa9) said:

    Oh, and by the way, Jan is NOT Mercola, she just quotes without attributions,
    which many consider plaigarism.

    Well, ... Jan Drew WROTE that HE, Jan Drew, wrote an article with
    Klinghardt. He wrote that expressis verbis. So it is NOT any kind of
    plagiarism.

    Jan Drew NEVER tried ANY excuse for what he wrote then. Well, what
    excuse could he find ? There is none, as all of us can see his exact
    words.

    So, if HE, Jan Drew, works with Klinghardt, HE, Jan Drew, admits to be
    Mercola.

    If Jan Drew were a female and NOT Mercola, it would have been no
    problem for HER at all, to say that SHE had written not clearly
    understandable.

    Quoted message said:

    Whatever faults Dr Mercola may have, he can
    count his blessings that being Jan Drew is NOT one of them.

    If Jan Drew is fiction (and that is the point with the highest
    probability), who else than Mercola whould have made it up ? Do,
    again, not forget the story HE wrote with Klinghardt.

    No matter which way you turn may it, Jan Drew is out of the race. Jan
    Drew has lost even the last bit of his credibility. And that is
    driving him crazy.

    I wonder, why he so stubbornly tries to keep up the fake. I mean :
    There are so many other fakes he could use or invent. Why does he keep
    the one which just bit the dust ? Anyway, naturopath mafiosi are
    seldom rational. I have seen a video of Klinhardt holding a so-called
    "lecture". Wow, what a terrible show. Worse than the worst spoiled
    horror film in TV.

    And in one of the latest postings Jan Drew claims that he, Jan Drew,
    does not advertize, just is "sharing"...

    <quote>
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    X-Admin: [email hidden]
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
    Date: 16 Nov 2003 18:27:38 GMT
    References: <[email hidden]>
    Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
    Subject: Re: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
    Mime-Version: 1.0
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
    Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
    From: Happy Oyster [email hidden]
    Date: 11/16/2003 8:43 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:52:15 -0700, "f®Èé RådicaL" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    This is a typical try to persuade people to buy naturopath mafia
    stuff. Seems to be neccesary to make a warning list of such
    advertizing agencies.

    Wrong, it's called sharing alternative methods. Has nothing whatsoever
    ****************************************
    to do with trying to get anyone to buy anything as you can build one
    yourself.

    No advertising.

    Jan
    </quote>

    A more perverse and more stupid excuse I have not seen in the last 30
    years.

    Does anyone have some accusations by Jan Drew because of advertizing,
    "networking" or other ? Will be fun to include that in the FAQ.

    Regards,

    Aribert Deckers
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  15. On 17 Nov 2003 04:25:36 GMT, Eric Bohlman <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    It's Aribert, not Ilsa, who "goofed."

    No, Mr. Bohlman. There are many fakers in the net. More than you know
    of...

    Regards,

    Aribert Deckers
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  16. Happy Oyster <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    (Ilsa9) said:

    Oh, and by the way, Jan is NOT Mercola, she just quotes without
    attributions, which many consider plaigarism.

    Well, ... Jan Drew WROTE that HE, Jan Drew, wrote an article with
    Klinghardt. He wrote that expressis verbis. So it is NOT any kind of
    plagiarism.

    Once again, Jan frequently quotes other people's writing without giving any
    stylistic indication that she's quoting. She's quite inconsistent about
    this, so you can't assume that just because she sometimes gives an
    indication that she's quoting, anything without such indication is her
    writing (for example, half the time she'll attribute the quote about
    "Andrew Kingoff is one of life's failures" to Rod, and the other half
    she'll use it without attribution or any indication that it's someone
    else's writing).

    She also doesn't use normal Usenet quoting style, and in fact she sometimes
    dishonestly changes the number of '>'s in quoted material to make it look
    like one poster said something when in fact it was someone else who said it
    (one time she took a post from another group in which I was engaging in a
    debate with someone and she stripped out all but one level of quoting to
    make it look like I had written the whole thing).

    It's simply a fact that when reading her posts, it's extremely difficult to
    tell who's saying what. She not only puts other people's words in her own
    mouth, she puts other people's words in other people's mouths.

  17. "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Jan) wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Aribett Deckers Has A Screw Loose
    From: Happy Oyster [email hidden]
    Date: 11/16/2003 8:42 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    On 16 Nov 2003 01:18:08 GMT, [email hidden] (Ilsa9) wrote:

    >Aribert, Jan IS a woman. By getting this wrong, some may falsely
    >conclude
    that
    >other things you say about her are not true.
    >
    >Once again, Jan IS a female. Please make a note of it.

    Poor, poor ANDREW goofs AGAIN.

    Andrew and I exchanged pictures,

    ilsa9 is Andrew Kingoff.

    Chicken, and despicable liar.

    Jan

    Cue for his enabler to appear, one Richard H. Jacobson who also lies
    about who he is, birds of a feather.

    This one *really* takes the cake! Ilsa was attempting to correct


    Aribert's

    Quoted message said:

    repeated assertion that you were male. Anybody reading the above exchange
    could see that. Yet you responded to Ilsa as if she were saying the


    *exact

    Quoted message said:

    opposite*. You just said she "goofed again" by calling you a female.
    Well, if you *are* a female (and I have no reason to believe you aren't),
    then calling you a female isn't "goofing." It's Aribert, not Ilsa, who
    "goofed."

    It is commonly referred to as a KneeJan...ooops...Knee jerk reaction.

    Quoted message said:

    It looks to me that you're so angry at Ilsa that you're compelled to


    refute

    Quoted message said:

    everything she says, even when she says that you are in fact the female


    you

    Quoted message said:

    claim to be. You're attacking the messenger regardless of the message.


    If

    Quoted message said:

    someone you dislike says "two plus two is four" are you going to snap "no
    it's not!"? Because that's the equivalent of what you're doing.

    Sadly, I suspect that Jan bleieves that in the alternative world wherein she
    resides, 2+2 does not always equal 4.

    Quoted message said:

    Note that everything I said above would still be true even *if* Ilsa were
    actually Andrew. That's completely irrelevant.

    At this point both you and Aribert are behaving as if neither of you were
    mature enough to start kindergarten.

    Well...Jan was in the sandbox in pre-school for 38 years. 38 years, 38
    years.

  18. Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Jan) wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Aribett Deckers Has A Screw Loose
    From: Happy Oyster [email hidden]
    Date: 11/16/2003 8:42 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    On 16 Nov 2003 01:18:08 GMT, [email hidden] (Ilsa9) wrote:

    >Aribert, Jan IS a woman. By getting this wrong, some may falsely
    >conclude
    that
    >other things you say about her are not true.
    >
    >Once again, Jan IS a female. Please make a note of it.

    Poor, poor ANDREW goofs AGAIN.

    Andrew and I exchanged pictures,

    ilsa9 is Andrew Kingoff.

    Chicken, and despicable liar.

    Jan

    Cue for his enabler to appear, one Richard H. Jacobson who also lies
    about who he is, birds of a feather.

    This one *really* takes the cake! Ilsa was attempting to correct Aribert's
    repeated assertion that you were male. Anybody reading the above exchange
    could see that. Yet you responded to Ilsa as if she were saying the *exact
    opposite*. You just said she "goofed again" by calling you a female.
    Well, if you *are* a female (and I have no reason to believe you aren't),
    then calling you a female isn't "goofing." It's Aribert, not Ilsa, who
    "goofed."

    It looks to me that you're so angry at Ilsa that you're compelled to refute
    everything she says, even when she says that you are in fact the female you
    claim to be. You're attacking the messenger regardless of the message. If
    someone you dislike says "two plus two is four" are you going to snap "no
    it's not!"? Because that's the equivalent of what you're doing.

    Note that everything I said above would still be true even *if* Ilsa were
    actually Andrew. That's completely irrelevant.

    Thank you for saying this.

  19. Quoted message said:
    (Ilsa9) said:

    Oh, and by the way, Jan is NOT Mercola, she just quotes without


    attributions,

    Quoted message said:

    which many consider plaigarism.

    Well, ... Jan Drew WROTE that HE, Jan Drew, wrote an article with
    Klinghardt. He wrote that expressis verbis. So it is NOT any kind of
    plagiarism.

    Jan Drew NEVER tried ANY excuse for what he wrote then. Well, what
    excuse could he find ? There is none, as all of us can see his exact
    words.

    So, if HE, Jan Drew, works with Klinghardt, HE, Jan Drew, admits to be
    Mercola.

    If Jan Drew were a female and NOT Mercola, it would have been no
    problem for HER at all, to say that SHE had written not clearly
    understandable.

    Quoted message said:

    Whatever faults Dr Mercola may have, he can
    count his blessings that being Jan Drew is NOT one of them.

    If Jan Drew is fiction (and that is the point with the highest
    probability), who else than Mercola whould have made it up ? Do,
    again, not forget the story HE wrote with Klinghardt.

    Oh, if only Jan Drew WERE fiction!!!! What a wonderful world this would be.
    As it is, SHE is real, despite her plaigarism, bigotry, personality disorders,
    disabilities, disharmonies, somatization disorder, et al.

  20. Whether you support Jan or not, Andrew,
    She made a point I questioned about you.

    I don't usually consider what sex a person is who types in a NG, but
    based on my chats with Jan I assume she's a woman. It doesn't really
    matter, but I don't have any proof just like she doesn't have any
    proof that I'm a man.

    You are tremendously vocal against anecdotes and simple stories people
    want to use as discussion points, but in this matter you are absolute.

    You told everyone not to dispute it, because you know she is a woman.

    This is one bizarre argument, but how you know this absolute fact
    interested me before she brought it up.

    How do you know this?
    Mike

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