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  1. In article OzZzc.767072$oR5.334679@pd7tw3no said:

    It seems that there are problems with a number of antidepressants of late.

    It seems that there is some [censored] who styles himself "kent r0ss" who
    shills for various commercial interests, primarily law firms, as his
    posting history will make clear (check out google -- in the last
    couple of months, he's posted nothing but such articles). No
    participation in anything, just ads.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
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  2. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Antidepressants and dangerous side effects
    From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
    Date: 6/17/2004 7:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    In article <OzZzc.767072$oR5.334679@pd7tw3no>, kr0 <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    It seems that there are problems with a number of antidepressants of late.

    It seems that there is some [censored] who styles himself "kent r0ss" who
    shills for various commercial interests, primarily law firms, as his
    posting history will make clear (check out google -- in the last
    couple of months, he's posted nothing but such articles). No
    participation in anything, just ads.

    Still doesn't change FACTS.

    Jan

  3. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Antidepressants and dangerous side effects
    From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
    Date: 6/17/2004 7:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    In article <OzZzc.767072$oR5.334679@pd7tw3no>, kr0 <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    It seems that there are problems with a number of antidepressants of


    late.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    It seems that there is some [censored] who styles himself "kent r0ss" who
    shills for various commercial interests, primarily law firms, as his
    posting history will make clear (check out google -- in the last
    couple of months, he's posted nothing but such articles). No
    participation in anything, just ads.

    Still doesn't change FACTS.

    Yes, the facts are that this is spam for a network of
    vultures...oops...class action attorneys.....

  4. [email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Antidepressants and dangerous side effects
    From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
    Date: 6/17/2004 7:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    In article <OzZzc.767072$oR5.334679@pd7tw3no>, kr0 <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    It seems that there are problems with a number of antidepressants of late.

    It seems that there is some [censored] who styles himself "kent r0ss" who
    shills for various commercial interests, primarily law firms, as his
    posting history will make clear (check out google -- in the last
    couple of months, he's posted nothing but such articles). No
    participation in anything, just ads.

    Still doesn't change FACTS.

    Jan

    Perhaps Jan can share just a bit of her vast knowledge about
    depression here. Not the passing feelings of mild depression that
    most people experience now & then, but the kind of ongoing, severe
    depression that often results in crippled lives & suicide. Since Jan
    is so sure about the evils of antidepressants, surely she must have a
    great deal of expertise WRT the problem as well as easy, effective
    solutions to make everything "right as rain"???

  5. (Michele) said:

    [email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Antidepressants and dangerous side effects
    From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
    Date: 6/17/2004 7:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    In article <OzZzc.767072$oR5.334679@pd7tw3no>, kr0 <[email hidden]>
    wrote:
    >It seems that there are problems with a number of antidepressants of late.

    It seems that there is some [censored] who styles himself "kent r0ss" who
    shills for various commercial interests, primarily law firms, as his
    posting history will make clear (check out google -- in the last
    couple of months, he's posted nothing but such articles). No
    participation in anything, just ads.

    Still doesn't change FACTS.

    Jan

    Perhaps Jan can share just a bit of her vast knowledge about
    depression here. Not the passing feelings of mild depression that
    most people experience now & then, but the kind of ongoing, severe
    depression that often results in crippled lives & suicide. Since Jan
    is so sure about the evils of antidepressants, surely she must have a
    great deal of expertise WRT the problem as well as easy, effective
    solutions to make everything "right as rain"???

    Strange that she should take not one but two antidepressants herself,
    yet she wants to deny this sort of treatment to suicidal adolescents.
    Very sad.

    --
    Peter Bowditch
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  6. "Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    (Michele) said:

    [email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Subject: Re: Antidepressants and dangerous side effects
    >From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
    >Date: 6/17/2004 7:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
    >Message-id: <[email hidden]>
    >
    >In article <OzZzc.767072$oR5.334679@pd7tw3no>, kr0


    <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >wrote:
    >>It seems that there are problems with a number of antidepressants of


    late.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    >It seems that there is some [censored] who styles himself "kent r0ss" who
    >shills for various commercial interests, primarily law firms, as his
    >posting history will make clear (check out google -- in the last
    >couple of months, he's posted nothing but such articles). No
    >participation in anything, just ads.

    Still doesn't change FACTS.

    Jan

    Perhaps Jan can share just a bit of her vast knowledge about
    depression here. Not the passing feelings of mild depression that
    most people experience now & then, but the kind of ongoing, severe
    depression that often results in crippled lives & suicide. Since Jan
    is so sure about the evils of antidepressants, surely she must have a
    great deal of expertise WRT the problem as well as easy, effective
    solutions to make everything "right as rain"???

    Strange that she should take not one but two antidepressants herself,
    yet she wants to deny this sort of treatment to suicidal adolescents.
    Very sad.

    The most effective anti-depressant in adolescents is Prozac. The other ones
    seem to be fairly useless. The recent reports have helped clarify what is
    the most effective treatment.

    Jan will not support this.

  7. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Antidepressants and dangerous side effects
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 6/18/2004 5:26 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Michele) said:

    [email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Subject: Re: Antidepressants and dangerous side effects
    >From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
    >Date: 6/17/2004 7:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
    >Message-id: <[email hidden]>
    >
    >In article <OzZzc.767072$oR5.334679@pd7tw3no>, kr0 <[email hidden]>
    >wrote:
    >>It seems that there are problems with a number of antidepressants of


    late.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    >It seems that there is some [censored] who styles himself "kent r0ss" who
    >shills for various commercial interests, primarily law firms, as his
    >posting history will make clear (check out google -- in the last
    >couple of months, he's posted nothing but such articles). No
    >participation in anything, just ads.

    Still doesn't change FACTS.

    Jan

    Perhaps Jan can share just a bit of her vast knowledge about
    depression here. Not the passing feelings of mild depression that
    most people experience now & then, but the kind of ongoing, severe
    depression that often results in crippled lives & suicide. Since Jan
    is so sure about the evils of antidepressants, surely she must have a
    great deal of expertise WRT the problem as well as easy, effective
    solutions to make everything "right as rain"???

    Strange that she should take not one but two antidepressants herself,

    NOT strange that you should lie as is your pattern. Truth is, you have NO idea
    what or if I take anything.

    Quoted message said:

    yet she wants to deny this sort of treatment to suicidal adolescents.
    Very sad.

    As we have just recently learned, the drugs themselves are causing the
    suicides. But I realize it is A OK to you and Michele of the *gang* that the
    drug companies have been L Y I N G.

    http://www.drugawareness.org/home.html

    ****Finally!****FDA Committee Says Risk of suicide with SSRIs Should be
    Communicated Immediately.

    2/19/2004
    Drug companies need to come clean on SSRIs; time for Health Canada to warn us

    2/17/2004
    Drug risks ***hidden from public****
    ****Drug companies keep test failures quiet,**** medical journal says

    2/15/2004
    Suicide brings changes to Lilly drug trial.

    2/15/2004
    19 quit Lilly drug trial after a death

    2/15/2004
    Student’s suicide cries out to FDA for drug warnings

    2/13/2004
    Woman testing depression drug kills herself

    2/12/2004
    Student, 19, in Trial of New Antidepressant Commits Suicide

    2/12/2004
    Rep. Tauzin to $2 million-a-year job to work for the Pharmaceutical Research
    and Manufacturers of America

    2/9/2004
    Prescription For Suicide?

    2/9/2004
    Woman participating in Lilly trial hangs self
    Coroner will examine whether experimental drug played possible part in
    19-year-old’s suicide.

    2/5/2004
    Medicating America's Kids
    NPR Program

    2/4/2004
    Lawmaker Seeks Data on Antidepressants for Kids

    2/4/2004
    Ottawa warns of suicide risk for teens on anti-depressants

    4/2004
    Ottawa warns of suicide risk for teens on anti-depressants

    By ANDRÉ PICARD
    PUBLIC HEALTH REPORTER

    Mounting concerns over the safety of prescribing a new generation of
    anti-depressants to children and teenagers has prompted Health Canada to issue
    a rare public warning to reconsider their use because the popular drugs may
    actually increase the risk of suicide.

    2/3/2004
    Antidepressant Strengthened Warnings About Pediatric Suicidality Risk Needed
    Immediately, Cmte. Says

    2/3/2004
    Pittman tragedy detailed in letter

    2/3/2004
    Antidepressant warning: Adult drugs may lead to increased risk of suicide in
    children

    /3/2004
    FDA mulls antidepressant warning
    Panel cites risks to some children, notes benefits too

    2/3/2004
    FDA Links Antidepressants, Youth Suicide Risk

    2/3/2004
    Alert on antidepressants for kids
    Panel urges sterner FDA warnings on children's suicide risks

    2/3/2004
    Parents Blame Medicines for Suicides

    2/3/2004
    Company ‘held back’ data on drug for children
    Antidepressant had no effect, leak reveals

    2/2/2004
    Will British Ban Spur FDA to Act?

    2/2/2004
    Youth, meds and suicide

    2/1/2004
    Kids, Meds, and Suicide
    The dangerous side effects of some SSRIs
    are back in the headlines

    2/1/2004
    Drug report barred by FDA
    Scientist links antidepressants to suicide in kids

    1/31/2004
    Wyeth Among 3 Firms Subpoenaed by U.S.

    1/30/2004
    Deluge of drug ads has FDA struggling to stop the hype

    1/30/2004
    FDA to debate antidepressant risk to kids

    1/29/2004
    Antidepressant Makers Withhold Data on Children

    1/26/2004
    FDA Knew About the Dangers of Redux® but Approved it Anyway

    1/26/2004
    Special Report
    Antidepressant Drugs and Suicidal/Aggressive Behaviors

    1/23/2004
    Report casts doubt on drug, suicide link

    1/21/2004
    New Report Concludes SSRI Antidepressants Do Not Increase Suicidal Behavior in
    Youth with Depression ACNP Presents Findings As FDA Opens Hearings

    1/20/2004
    Drug Companies Get Too Close for Med School's Comfort

    1/6/2004
    Probe into antidepressant link to suicides

    1/6/2004
    New Hope for Battling Depression
    Study Illuminates Why Benefits of Therapy Are More Lasting Than Medication

    1/4/2004
    A Suicide Side Effect?
    What parents aren't being told about their kids' antidepressants

    1/4/2004
    New York Times Lives: A Doctor’s Toxic Shock

    1/4/2004
    Drug commercials can make you a little bit dopey

    12/10/2003
    NIH to launch ethics review - Zerhouni promises comprehensive look at
    lucrative consulting payments to top officials

    Jan

  8. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Antidepressants and dangerous side effects
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 6/18/2004 5:26 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Michele) said:

    [email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    > >Subject: Re: Antidepressants and dangerous side effects
    > >From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
    > >Date: 6/17/2004 7:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
    > >Message-id: <[email hidden]>
    > >
    > >In article <OzZzc.767072$oR5.334679@pd7tw3no>, kr0


    <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >wrote:
    > >>It seems that there are problems with a number of antidepressants of


    late.

    Quoted message said:

    > >
    > >It seems that there is some [censored] who styles himself "kent r0ss"


    who

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >shills for various commercial interests, primarily law firms, as his
    > >posting history will make clear (check out google -- in the last
    > >couple of months, he's posted nothing but such articles). No
    > >participation in anything, just ads.
    >
    > Still doesn't change FACTS.
    >
    > Jan

    Perhaps Jan can share just a bit of her vast knowledge about
    depression here. Not the passing feelings of mild depression that
    most people experience now & then, but the kind of ongoing, severe
    depression that often results in crippled lives & suicide. Since Jan
    is so sure about the evils of antidepressants, surely she must have a
    great deal of expertise WRT the problem as well as easy, effective
    solutions to make everything "right as rain"???

    Strange that she should take not one but two antidepressants herself,

    NOT strange that you should lie as is your pattern. Truth is, you have NO


    idea

    Quoted message said:

    what or if I take anything.

    Quoted message said:

    yet she wants to deny this sort of treatment to suicidal adolescents.
    Very sad.

    As we have just recently learned, the drugs themselves are causing the
    suicides. But I realize it is A OK to you and Michele of the *gang* that


    the

    Quoted message said:

    drug companies have been L Y I N G.

    Actually, "we" have learned no such thing. These kids were prescribed
    medication because they have serious problems to begin with. How do you know
    that it is the medication and not the underlying problem, called depression,
    which is a cause of suicide? The answer is, YOU DO NOT KNOW, and thus, you
    lied.

  9. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Antidepressants and dangerous side effects
    From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 18, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]
    Date: 6/18/2004 2:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Truth is, you have NO
    idea

    Quoted message said:

    what or if I take anything.

    uhhhhh.....Elavil and Neurontin????

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    As we have just recently learned, the drugs themselves are causing the
    suicides. But I realize it is A OK to

    Quoted message said:

    you and Michele of the *gang* that
    the

    Quoted message said:

    drug companies have been L Y I N G.

    ahhhh...such an answer I would have expected from Janster...who has never ever
    examined a person who is gravely depressed..thus suicidal...and for whom ANY
    help is better than sitting back and doing nothing..

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    drug companies have been L Y I N G.

    no Janster...you have NOOOOOO knowledge.. that anyone depressed enough to seek
    medical attention would have been suicidal in the first place...

    the drugs don't CAUSE the suicides..perhaps the drugs provide the ENERGY some
    suicidal folks need to push them out of bed and into suicide...but the ideation
    was surely there all the time

    certainly we must be attuned to the dangers of suicide in the young...suicide
    amongst teens and young adults is a very REALLLL problem..simply depriving them
    of a drug class that MAY WELL prevent suicide is welll....malpractice

    or maybe you have never known the anguish of comforting a family of a teen
    found hanging from their closet rod...or treated a kid with overdose of Advil
    in the ER...

    course you haven't you dunce....Michele and I..and Rich,,Orac and Peter have
    ACTUAL EXPERIENCE in this...you have only what you read by punching words into
    a search engine..

    YOU are the LIAR...by refusing to accept the gravity of suicidal ideation...esp
    in the young...

    YOU are an evil person who prefers to throw out an entire class of
    drugs....without considering the "risk/benefit" ratio...

    If it were YOUR kid or YOUR grandkid you would likely be feeding them your
    Elavil...

    hypocrite...sad..evil and unknowledgablel

    NO ONE has ever said that meds don't have potential side effects...which in
    some cases CAN be serious..even fatal..

    however NOT treating a suicidal teen has a greater risk of tragedy

    why don't you stay in the sandbox

    hawki.....

  10. It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Hawki63 said:

    the drugs don't CAUSE the suicides..perhaps the drugs provide the
    ENERGY some suicidal folks need to push them out of bed and into
    suicide...but the ideation was surely there all the time

    Yep, energy increases before improvement in mood starts, docs can't
    prevent all suicides but at least there are antidepressants to help
    prevent many more than this newest scare is based upon. I'm worried
    about how much these scares damage med compliance, doc-patient
    relationships and such... I've read too many people just stop their meds
    cold without even talking to their doc.

    Scaremongering won't stop people from killing themselves, it may bring
    it about *sooner* though. 🙁

    Vashti

  11. On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:20:53 GMT, "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 18,

    2004' M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t said:

    How do you know
    that it is the medication and not the underlying problem, called depression,
    which is a cause of suicide?

    It is called pathologic narcissism. Jan believes that she knows the
    truth about many subjects.

    Quoted message said:

    The answer is, YOU DO NOT KNOW, and thus, you
    lied.

    It would only be a lie if Jan knows that what she is saying is false.
    It is not clear that this is the case with anti-depressants. It *is*
    clearly the case wrt her claim about mercury poisoning from amalgams.
    Initially she believed that she was poisoned. Now she knows she was
    not. This is why she deliberately changes her history to make it
    appear as if her claim is credible. Jan is a psychopath.

    Aloha,

    Rich

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  12. (Hawki63) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Antidepressants and dangerous side effects
    From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 18, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]
    Date: 6/18/2004 2:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Truth is, you have NO
    idea

    Quoted message said:

    what or if I take anything.

    uhhhhh.....Elavil and Neurontin????

    Indeed. Obviously we have *some* idea that she is on these drugs
    because #1 Jan told us she was on them #2 Jan never told us that she
    had stopped taking them. I think that if Jan was able to stop these
    medications that she would have told the group. She also has the
    opportunity to tell the group *now* whether she still take these meds.
    However since Jan is a psychopath she prefers to bear false witness
    against others than tell the truth.

    Quoted message said:

    or maybe you have never known the anguish of comforting a family of a teen
    found hanging from their closet rod...or treated a kid with overdose of Advil
    in the ER...

    Jan could care less about the welfare of children or teenagers. She is
    ONLY interested in herself and her vendetta against conventional
    medicine. Anything advancing her agenda will be supported. Anything
    opposing her agenda will be rejected.

    Quoted message said:


    course you haven't you dunce....Michele and I..and Rich,,Orac and Peter have
    ACTUAL EXPERIENCE in this...you have only what you read by punching words into
    a search engine..

    YOU are the LIAR...by refusing to accept the gravity of suicidal ideation...esp
    in the young...

    She is only a liar if she knows that what she is saying is not true.
    Let us not resort to Jan's tactics of gratuitously calling others
    liars.

    Quoted message said:


    YOU are an evil person who prefers to throw out an entire class of
    drugs....without considering the "risk/benefit" ratio...

    I certainly agree that Jan is evil.

    Quoted message said:


    If it were YOUR kid or YOUR grandkid you would likely be feeding them your
    Elavil...

    You bet your life she would. Just as she takes Elavil and Neurontin
    while criticizing those who take medications that only cover up the
    problem. Is Jan Drew deficient in Elavil and Neurontin?? If not then
    taking the meds is only covering up her problem. But Jan knows that
    when she takes these medications that her pain is better. So she
    selfishly takes these meds and criticizes others for doing same. Sad
    that.

    Quoted message said:

    why don't you stay in the sandbox

    Her head is obviously in the sand. I think she is taking your advice.

    Aloha,

    Rich

    Quoted message said:

    hawki.....

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