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  1. Original post
    OnTwoWheels
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    "Claire Petersky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Today we rode up to Woodinville, and then did the loop up to Snohomish via
    Cathcart, and then a return via Bothell. 40 or so very hilly miles.

    Brief notes:

    The weather was fine until we got to Snohomish. We just got into a cafe


    for

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    lunch, and the heavens opened. We saw it rain peltingly hard out our


    window.

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    By the time lunch was through and I was messing with the check, it was
    already brightening and the rain was slacking. By the time we left, it was
    sunny and clear. That was incredible luck. We had a few brief showers on


    the

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    way home, but otherwise it was OK. The worst of it was nasty headwinds all
    the way home. All those people who say, "we don't have hills here, we have
    wind" -- well, what if you have both? I felt like I was riding at about


    85%

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    of my max output just trying to deal with the wind blowing at us. And


    then,

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    if it wasn't coming directly at us, there were side gusts. Advantage -- I


    am

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    improving on my tandem handling skills at speed in the wind.

    I feel much more tired after riding with Rose on the tandem than if I were
    on my own bike, and the times are much slower. I figure I am turning my
    thighs into rock-hard steel pistons after all of these rides. She's


    gaining

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    in strength, too, though, and is pulling her weight more and more. When I
    actually ride my own bike, I am doing a much better job of hill climbing
    than before, so this conditioning is good for me.

    --
    Warm Regards,

    Claire Petersky
    Personal page: http://www.geocities.com/cpetersky/
    See the books I've set free at:
    http://bookcrossing.com/referr­al/Cpetersky

    How old is your daughter? It's harder and slower with my very young son
    stoking. I'm wondering at what age do they start to cover their own weight.
    I would love to be able to do 40 mile rides. How much resting do you have
    to do for a ride like that?

    I was on a very fast group ride one time where there was someone with what
    looked like a 12-14 year old stoker. They were in the paceline going
    insanely fast. I'm never going to expect that or push for it, but it sure
    would be fun.

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  2. Claire Petersky
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    OnTwoWheels wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>...

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    How old is your daughter?

    12

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    I would love to be able to do 40 mile rides. How much resting do you have
    to do for a ride like that?

    If it were me riding it on my single, I would have done the ride in about 3
    hours. Our riding time was nearly double that on the tandem. On the way to
    Snohomish we took a break after about the first 50 minutes, before the first
    really big climb of the day. We stopped on the hill once, and at the top.
    Then, we didn't stop again until we hit the town at lunch, which took us
    about 2.5 hours to reach. There's a hill coming out of town, and we stopped
    to rest a couple of times climbing out and when we hit the top. After the
    rollers on the top, we had another stop, and then after the big descent back
    into the valley, we went to DQ for ice cream cones.

    Our total travel time average on the flats is about 10 mph. Once we start
    climbing hills it drops to about 8 mph. Both of us lack the strength to be
    good hill climbers. Rose did a ~70 or so mile ride with me on the flats
    about a month ago and cruised along fairly effortlessly.

    Quoted message said:

    I was on a very fast group ride one time where there was someone with what
    looked like a 12-14 year old stoker. They were in the paceline going
    insanely fast. I'm never going to expect that or push for it, but it sure
    would be fun.

    I know a father/son tandem team (son is 12) and both of them are into
    racing. When the two of them are on the bike, they go like gang-busters.

    --
    Warm Regards,

    Claire Petersky
    Personal page: http://www.geocities.com/cpetersky/
    See the books I've set free at:
    http://bookcrossing.com/referr­al/Cpetersky

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  3. Veloise
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    OnTwoWheels said:

    How old is your daughter? It's harder and slower with my very young


    son

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    stoking. I'm wondering at what age do they start to cover their own


    weight.
    My nieces were pulling their weights (tandem/TAB big rig) at 7 and
    9. Sibling rivalry was a factor.

    A couple years later we did GOBA on two tandems (with my
    sis-in-law). Counterpoint would approach the Girl Power (conventional
    rig); younger niece would shriek, "NOOOOO!!!!!" and drop the hammer.
    We'd keep up. They'd speed up. IIRC this was on the "65 mile" day
    (guess the cue painter got lost).

    Quoted message said:

    I would love to be able to do 40 mile rides. How much resting do you


    have

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    to do for a ride like that?


    How old is *your* kid? What's your terrain like? Claire is dealing
    with Pacific Northwest. We were a mess on the GOBA near Marietta, OH,
    but did fine when it was near Columbus.

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    I was on a very fast group ride one time where there was someone with


    what

    Quoted message said:

    looked like a 12-14 year old stoker. They were in the paceline going
    insanely fast. I'm never going to expect that or push for it, but it


    sure

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    would be fun.

    Kids have a great power-to-weight ratio, and if you provide incentive
    they will amaze you. I have found that you can't talk it up too much.
    We were sitting on the turnpike driving to our first GOBA, and the kids
    were going wild over all the cars with bikes on 'em.

    HTH
    --Karen M.

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  4. OnTwoWheels
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    "Claire Petersky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    OnTwoWheels wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    How old is your daughter?

    12

    Quoted message said:

    I would love to be able to do 40 mile rides. How much resting do you


    have

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to do for a ride like that?

    If it were me riding it on my single, I would have done the ride in about


    3

    Quoted message said:

    hours. Our riding time was nearly double that on the tandem. On the way to
    Snohomish we took a break after about the first 50 minutes, before the


    first

    Quoted message said:

    really big climb of the day. We stopped on the hill once, and at the top.
    Then, we didn't stop again until we hit the town at lunch, which took us
    about 2.5 hours to reach. There's a hill coming out of town, and we


    stopped

    Quoted message said:

    to rest a couple of times climbing out and when we hit the top. After the
    rollers on the top, we had another stop, and then after the big descent


    back

    Quoted message said:

    into the valley, we went to DQ for ice cream cones.

    Our total travel time average on the flats is about 10 mph. Once we start
    climbing hills it drops to about 8 mph. Both of us lack the strength to be
    good hill climbers. Rose did a ~70 or so mile ride with me on the flats
    about a month ago and cruised along fairly effortlessly.

    Quoted message said:

    I was on a very fast group ride one time where there was someone with


    what

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    looked like a 12-14 year old stoker. They were in the paceline going
    insanely fast. I'm never going to expect that or push for it, but it


    sure

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    would be fun.

    I know a father/son tandem team (son is 12) and both of them are into
    racing. When the two of them are on the bike, they go like gang-busters.

    --
    Warm Regards,

    Claire Petersky
    Personal page: http://www.geocities.com/cpetersky/
    See the books I've set free at:
    http://bookcrossing.com/referr­al/Cpetersky

    Thanks, I'm curious about what kind of experiences people have as their
    children get older. My son is 4 1/2. We ride between 3 and 5 days a week
    and have since he was 6 mo old. He likes it but it's not always his
    favorite thing. He doesn't mind 5-7 miles one way. After that we usually
    have to break the ride up. We always have to have a destination. He
    actually likes to ride since we've gotten the tandem with a child stoker
    kit. It's very cute with him back there singing. I never push it and don't
    have any expectations but I do have hopes that it will grow to longer rides.
    My 22 mo. old loves to ride, (he sits in a child seat on the rear rack of
    the tandem). He has on several occasions climbed up into his seat with the
    bike stored in the hallway adamantly insisting I put on my helmet and take
    him for a ride. He already has almost the same attention span for rides as
    my older son.

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  5. Zoot Katz
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    Wed, 25 May 2005 05:45:04 GMT,
    <[email hidden]>, "OnTwoWheels"

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    My 22 mo. old loves to ride, (he sits in a child seat on the rear rack of
    the tandem). He has on several occasions climbed up into his seat with the
    bike stored in the hallway adamantly insisting I put on my helmet and take
    him for a ride. He already has almost the same attention span for rides as
    my older son.

    Talke to Fabrizio about getting him on a supplement program.
    --
    zk

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  6. Veloise
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    OnTwoWheels said:

    Thanks, I'm curious about what kind of experiences people have as their
    children get older. My son is 4 1/2. We ride between 3 and 5 days a week
    and have since he was 6 mo old. He likes it but it's not always his
    favorite thing. He doesn't mind 5-7 miles one way. After that we usually
    have to break the ride up. We always have to have a destination.

    Destinations are a good thing. Ice cream, picnic, snack stop.
    Bookstore. Library. School. Berry-picking?

    Quoted message said:

    He actually likes to ride since we've gotten the tandem with a child stoker
    kit. It's very cute with him back there singing. I never push it and don't
    have any expectations but I do have hopes that it will grow to longer rides.

    See if your local bike club has any other families to ride with. Can
    you find a nearby invitational with a short route and a mass start and
    a sag stop shared by all the distances? How far are you from one of the
    tandem rallies? Many many participants bring kids, and there are kid
    activities like coloring contests (guess what the pictures are of).

    Quoted message said:

    My 22 mo. old loves to ride, (he sits in a child seat on the rear rack of
    the tandem). He has on several occasions climbed up into his seat with the
    bike stored in the hallway adamantly insisting I put on my helmet and take
    him for a ride. He already has almost the same attention span for rides as
    my older son.

    Over the years I've collected a number of kids books with cycling
    themes. These would make great bedtime stories (keep it going). My gals
    just loved the very start of GOBA: I took our rig over to a wrench
    buddy who installed computers for each rider, and the kids watched and
    asked questions. There was a bike parade to a downtown park,
    speechifying by local officials (mayor: "Fremont, Ohio is the nation's
    largest manufacturer of ketchup." Kids: "Ketchup!" This was a theme all
    week!), food, treats (popcorn), hanging around, and a ride back, with
    many riders on various machines talking to us.

    One year we put up signage near one wrench's rig: it was his
    birthday. Then we hid nearby and enjoyed everyone walking past. Another
    year I decorated our tent at midnight because it was the big kid's 11th
    b-day the next day. Our neighbors considerately waited until well past
    daybreak to sing to her. She got it all day long because there were
    signs on the message board (only 2 Counterpoints on the ride that year,
    and ours was blue with a girl on front), signs on the bike, chalked
    signs on the road (I had help), etc.

    My point is: it'll be a while before you get your kids to do
    centuries in the rain, so you may as well offer (or enable) other fun
    experiences to make your rides memorable. And keep reminding them.
    "Ketchup!"

    I once met a family whose 3yo had a bicycle party for his birthday.
    Friends brought their rides, they all rode laps up and down the street,
    there were appropriate decorations on the table and the cake. This was
    several months later, and he volunteered this information because he
    was still happy with the memory.

    Keep it going and it'll become a big part of their lives.

    HTH
    --Karen M.

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