Re: Another "miracle" food from Frito Lay

": >>I was grocery shopping today and saw a big bag of Lay's potato chips
: >>that was saying, in big letters, 0 GRAMS TRANS FAT.
:

I heard something about this on the radio one day. IIRC (and I probably do
not), it seems the company's rep said something about how they cooked with
the oil but it didn't convert itself to trans fat in the human gut and so
they didn't have to label it. Something like that. Very slick.

Pat in TX

It's not dishoenst at all ... the trans fat is listed by serving, and
it is indeed saying 0g per serving, which by definition can be up to
0.49g per serving. Besides they tell you there is hydrogenated oils. In
Asia, coconut oil is the prefered oil for potato chips.

Quoting Ignoramus12247:

Quoted message said:

Suze suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious said:

Quoting Ignoramus12247:

Quoted message said:

I was grocery shopping today and saw a big bag of Lay's potato chips
that was saying, in big letters, 0 GRAMS TRANS FAT.

My natural curiosity became aroused. How could they make potato chips
that would not go rancid, withoit partially hydrogenated oils.

I looked at the ingredients and, voila, saw "partially hydrogenated
soybean oil".

Apparently, the manufacturers "rounded down" the trans fat count to
zero, which they could do in part due to rather small serving size that
they used, but in fact their product is made with trans fat.

Yep, that's what some manufacturers are doing, and to my mind it is
just outright dishonesty unless the label says something along the
lines of "less than one gram trans fat *per serving*", or at the very
least, "0 grams trans fat *per serving*".

If anyone is interested, I can buy the bag and make pictures, along
the lines of my pictures of other [censored] labels such as

Well, I can't speak for everyone else, but I personally don't need to
see it. I'm familiar with the rounding down games sometimes played
even with Nutrition Facts, and just know to read the entire ingredient
list in the store before purchasing anything new.

There were supposed to be some changes in requirements in trans fat
labeling in 2006?? I suppose you could google it if interested.

Quoted message said:

http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/NutritionLabel/

That way you will be able too see exact wording, etc. Probably vague
enough after having been vetted by their lawyers.

Other members of my household will eat the chips.

Dude, if you wouldn't eat them yourself, why would you pass 'em
along?

Quoting Andrew (kellyclarksontv):

Quoted message said:

It's not dishoenst at all ...
the trans fat is listed by serving, and
it is indeed saying 0g per serving, which by definition can be up to
0.49g per serving. Besides they tell you there is hydrogenated oils. In
Asia, coconut oil is the prefered oil for potato chips.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the consumer to go a bit
further than "Nutrition Facts" and read the entire label.

However, when a manufacturer _deliberately_ and prominently lists
"zero trans fats" on the package as a marketing tool (which was what
Igor had posted about, I believe), the _intent_ is to be misleading.

Suze <suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious> wrote:
:> Quoting Andrew (kellyclarksontv):
:> >It's not dishoenst at all ...
:> >the trans fat is listed by serving, and
:> >it is indeed saying 0g per serving, which by definition can be up to
:> >0.49g per serving. Besides they tell you there is hydrogenated
:> >oils. In Asia, coconut oil is the prefered oil for potato chips.
:>
:> I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the consumer to go a bit
:> further than "Nutrition Facts" and read the entire label.
:>
:> However, when a manufacturer _deliberately_ and prominently lists
:> "zero trans fats" on the package as a marketing tool (which was what
:> Igor had posted about, I believe), the _intent_ is to be misleading.

I have a book on trans fat that claims that NO amount of trans fat is
healthy.

Suze <suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious> wrote:
:> Quoting Ignoramus12247:
:> >On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 21:05:48 -0500, Suze
:> ><suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious> wrote:
:> >> Quoting Ignoramus12247:
:> >>>I was grocery shopping today and saw a big bag of Lay's potato
:> >>>chips
:> >>>that was saying, in big letters, 0 GRAMS TRANS FAT.
:> >>>
:> >>>My natural curiosity became aroused. How could they make potato
:> >>>chips
:> >>>that would not go rancid, withoit partially hydrogenated oils.
:> >>>
:> >>>I looked at the ingredients and, voila, saw "partially
:> >>>hydrogenated
:> >>>soybean oil".
:> >>>
:> >>>Apparently, the manufacturers "rounded down" the trans fat count
:> >>>to
:> >>>zero, which they could do in part due to rather small serving
:> >>>size that
:> >>>they used, but in fact their product is made with trans fat.
:> >>
:> >> Yep, that's what some manufacturers are doing, and to my mind it
:> >> is
:> >> just outright dishonesty unless the label says something along the
:> >> lines of "less than one gram trans fat *per serving*", or at the
:> >> very
:> >> least, "0 grams trans fat *per serving*".
:> >
:> >If anyone is interested, I can buy the bag and make pictures, along
:> >the lines of my pictures of other [censored] labels such as
:>
:> Well, I can't speak for everyone else, but I personally don't need to
:> see it. I'm familiar with the rounding down games sometimes played
:> even with Nutrition Facts, and just know to read the entire
:> ingredient
:> list in the store before purchasing anything new.
:>
:> There were supposed to be some changes in requirements in trans fat
:> labeling in 2006?? I suppose you could google it if interested.
:>
:> >http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/NutritionLabel/
:> >
:> >That way you will be able too see exact wording, etc. Probably vague
:> >enough after having been vetted by their lawyers.
:> >
:> >Other members of my household will eat the chips.
:>
:> Dude, if you wouldn't eat them yourself, why would you pass 'em
:> along?

If people he lives with WANT to eat them.....

Quoted message said:

If anyone is interested, I can buy the bag and make pictures, along
the lines of my pictures of other [censored] labels such as

http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/NutritionLabel/

Going to a few Turkish shops with a friend the other day, I saw many jars of
your veggie paste, in two sizes. None had the nutrition info labels on them,
in fact, few of the products in those shops have any nutrition info,
probably because they cater mostly to the Turkish community and these
products are all very well known to them.

Quoting Roger Zoul:

Quoted message said:

Suze <suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious> wrote:
:> Quoting Ignoramus12247:

[...]

Quoted message said:

:> >Other members of my household will eat the chips.
:>
:> Dude, if you wouldn't eat them yourself, why would you pass 'em
:> along?

If people he lives with WANT to eat them.....

Not that it's really any of my business -- as far as I know he resides
with his wife and a minor child or two that do not share his Paleo
type diet, so they wouldn't necessarily have a problem with the carbs
(or the potatoes per se).

However, was just wondering if he had thought it through on the trans
fat part.

Quoting Roger Zoul:

Quoted message said:

Suze <suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious> wrote:
:> Quoting Andrew (kellyclarksontv):
:> >It's not dishoenst at all ...
:> >the trans fat is listed by serving, and
:> >it is indeed saying 0g per serving, which by definition can be up to
:> >0.49g per serving. Besides they tell you there is hydrogenated
:> >oils. In Asia, coconut oil is the prefered oil for potato chips.
:>
:> I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the consumer to go a bit
:> further than "Nutrition Facts" and read the entire label.
:>
:> However, when a manufacturer _deliberately_ and prominently lists
:> "zero trans fats" on the package as a marketing tool (which was what
:> Igor had posted about, I believe), the _intent_ is to be misleading.

I have a book on trans fat that claims that NO amount of trans fat is
healthy.

What's the book title?

Quoted message said:

:> However, when a manufacturer _deliberately_ and prominently lists
:> "zero trans fats" on the package as a marketing tool (which was what
:> Igor had posted about, I believe), the _intent_ is to be misleading.

I have a book on trans fat that claims that NO amount of trans fat is
healthy.

It's a matter of principle rather than health, half a gram is not likely to
cause any ill effects, after all it's only fat, not arsenic. However, if,
for whatever reason, people choose not to eat certain things, they don't
expect manufacturers to sneak in even a small amount and make a false claim
even if it does no harm. A product labelled 'suitable for vegetarians' is
not supposed to have any ingredients obtained from dead animals whilst
something 'suitable for vegans' should not have any animal products at all,
not even a tiny amount.

You wouldn't expect a product labelled 'suitable for vegans' to contain 0.5g
of milk or lard per serving and you shouldn't have to read the whole label
to find out. Phrases such as 'suitable for vegetarians', 'gluten free' or
'lactose free' are there for a reason, just like 'non-alcoholic cordial'
doesn't have 0.5% alcohol.

Suze <suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious> wrote:
:> Quoting Roger Zoul:
:> >Suze <suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious> wrote:
:> >:> Quoting Andrew (kellyclarksontv):
:> >:> >It's not dishoenst at all ...
:> >:> >the trans fat is listed by serving, and
:> >:> >it is indeed saying 0g per serving, which by definition can be
:> >:> >up to
:> >:> >0.49g per serving. Besides they tell you there is hydrogenated
:> >:> >oils. In Asia, coconut oil is the prefered oil for potato chips.
:> >:>
:> >:> I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the consumer to go a
:> >:> bit further than "Nutrition Facts" and read the entire label.
:> >:>
:> >:> However, when a manufacturer _deliberately_ and prominently lists
:> >:> "zero trans fats" on the package as a marketing tool (which was
:> >:> what Igor had posted about, I believe), the _intent_ is to be
:> >:> misleading.
:> >
:> >I have a book on trans fat that claims that NO amount of trans fat
:> >is healthy.
:>
:> What's the book title?

"Trans Fats: The Hidden Killer in Our Food" by Judith Shaw, M.A.

On page 1 (Part One: Background) it states:

On July 10, 2002, the goverment's advisor on health policy, the Institute of
Medicine at the National Academy of Sciences, reported that Americans are
eating foods contaminated with dangerous levels of manufactured trans fatty
acids, an ingredient that has *no safe level for human consumption:* in the
words of the report, an "upper intake level of zero."

Polar Light <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> > :> However, when a manufacturer _deliberately_ and prominently
:> > :> lists "zero trans fats" on the package as a marketing tool
:> > :> (which was what Igor had posted about, I believe), the _intent_
:> > :> is to be misleading.
:> >
:> > I have a book on trans fat that claims that NO amount of trans fat
:> > is healthy.
:>
:> It's a matter of principle rather than health, half a gram is not
:> likely to cause any ill effects, after all it's only fat, not
:> arsenic.

Hmm....

"Trans Fats: The Hidden Killer in Our Food" by Judith Shaw, M.A.

On page 1 (Part One: Background) it states:

On July 10, 2002, the goverment's advisor on health policy, the Institute of
Medicine at the National Academy of Sciences, reported that Americans are
eating foods contaminated with dangerous levels of manufactured trans fatty
acids, an ingredient that has *no safe level for human consumption:* in the
words of the report, an "upper intake level of zero."

However, if, for whatever reason, people choose not to eat
:> certain things, they don't expect manufacturers to sneak in even a
:> small amount and make a false claim even if it does no harm. A
:> product labelled 'suitable for vegetarians' is not supposed to have
:> any ingredients obtained from dead animals whilst something
:> 'suitable for vegans' should not have any animal products at all,
:> not even a tiny amount.
:>
:> You wouldn't expect a product labelled 'suitable for vegans' to
:> contain 0.5g of milk or lard per serving and you shouldn't have to
:> read the whole label to find out. Phrases such as 'suitable for
:> vegetarians', 'gluten free' or 'lactose free' are there for a
:> reason, just like 'non-alcoholic cordial' doesn't have 0.5% alcohol.

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Polar Light <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> > :> However, when a manufacturer _deliberately_ and prominently
:> > :> lists "zero trans fats" on the package as a marketing tool
:> > :> (which was what Igor had posted about, I believe), the _intent_
:> > :> is to be misleading.
:> >
:> > I have a book on trans fat that claims that NO amount of trans fat
:> > is healthy.
:>
:> It's a matter of principle rather than health, half a gram is not
:> likely to cause any ill effects, after all it's only fat, not
:> arsenic.

Hmm....

"Trans Fats: The Hidden Killer in Our Food" by Judith Shaw, M.A.

On page 1 (Part One: Background) it states:

On July 10, 2002, the goverment's advisor on health policy, the Institute
of
Medicine at the National Academy of Sciences, reported that Americans are
eating foods contaminated with dangerous levels of manufactured trans
fatty
acids, an ingredient that has *no safe level for human consumption:* in
the
words of the report, an "upper intake level of zero."

Like I said on a previous thread, I tend to take these studies with a pinch
of salt because we're constantly getting conflicting information about most
of the foods we eat. For decades trans fats were regarded as a healthier
alternative to saturated fats, which were supposed to kill us all of a heart
attack. People ate tub after tub of margarine thinking they were doing the
right thing by staying away from the 'evil' saturated animal fat of butter.
Most of those people are still alive & well, so I can't see how 0.5g will
cause serious harm.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If anyone is interested, I can buy the bag and make pictures, along
the lines of my pictures of other [censored] labels such as

http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/NutritionLabel/

Going to a few Turkish shops with a friend the other day, I saw many jars
of
your veggie paste, in two sizes. None had the nutrition info labels on
them,
in fact, few of the products in those shops have any nutrition info,
probably because they cater mostly to the Turkish community and these
products are all very well known to them.

That's interesting. Maybe what you saw was Turkish ajvar and what I
had was Bulgarian ajvar, made by different companies. One would put
labels on their jars and another would not.

I didn't think it would be produced in two different countries, I don't go
to that part of town very much but next time I'm round there I'll take a
look at the jars & see where they come from. I don't think I've ever seen
anything imported from Bulgaria & the Ajvar paste seems to be available only
in Turkish shops.

Polar Light said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Going to a few Turkish shops with a friend the
other day, I saw many jars of your veggie paste,
in two sizes. None had the nutrition info labels
on them, in fact, few of the products in those
shops have any nutrition info, probably because
they cater mostly to the Turkish community and
these products are all very well known to them.

I suspect some nations lack labelling laws that
require nutrition laws, and I suspect that imports
below some amount allow items through without the
labels. Cost Plus World Market usually has plenty
of items witout and they are from assorted nations.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That's interesting. Maybe what you saw was Turkish ajvar and what I
had was Bulgarian ajvar, made by different companies. One would put
labels on their jars and another would not.

I didn't think it would be produced in two different countries, I don't go
to that part of town very much but next time I'm round there I'll take a
look at the jars & see where they come from. I don't think I've ever seen
anything imported from Bulgaria & the Ajvar paste seems to be available only
in Turkish shops.

When I lived in an Armenian neighborhood near Los Angeles
I saw Ajvar from Armenia, Syria and Turkey at least.
Some items had labels using more than 3 distinct writing
systems and the closest to English was the Russian.