RE: Ann coulter.

I wouldn't kick Ann Coulter out of bed.

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You obviously haven't been hassled by the terrorist police yet or

realize

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that you phone probably is tapped, just as much as all these

threads are

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archived in Google so the government can pull up all the dirt it

has on

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you and fabricate even more.
Free country?
Used to be.
Bill

If you have to choose between freedom and security, you will choose
security
every time. Why is that? It is because once you are dead, freedom is a
moot
point to say the least!

****Begin Bill Baka response***
You forgot one thing. I don't fear death.

Most people do fear death and will live under conditions approaching
slavery - as long as they are permitted to live. The Indians of the Americas
could not be effectively enslaved, and so Negroes were brought to the New
World to do the slave labor. The Negroes were willing to be slaves because
they wanted to live.

My wife told me that no matter

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how nuts I drive a bike, car, motorcycle, or even the occasional airplane,
not to kill myself with my stunts because the kids and grandkids would be
so hurt without me. Personally, I have accepted the fact that I will
probably not be here in 2106, and the way things are going that is fine
with me. I do however want my freedom and if somebody threatens my
security or messes with my family, trust me, they will be dealt with, if
not by me directly, then some of my surviving and not so savory friends.

Your freedom is circumscribed by the greater requirements of the society of
which you are a part. In fact, without the society within which you live,
there would be no freedom at all. It would be nothing but kill and be
killed - as it is in the world of nature.

I still keep in contact with some of my 'Bros' from

Quoted message said:

motorcycle days and my stepson keeps winding up in prison for stupid [censored]
because of the 3 strikes law. He also keeps getting out with more new
'friends', from guys who just mouthed off to a judge to stone cold killers
who got a light sentence. If the government ever got truly that bad there
would be an uprising, even within the military. Do you really think the
average 18 year old recruit would stand up for an order to detain or shoot
his family for "Un-American activities"?, or wonder how long news like
that would take to spread to all troops? This is neither Germany nor 1933.

Young people will do whatever they are trained to do by their upbringing.
This has been prove over and over by history. Your greatest killers are 18
year old kids.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

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"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> You obviously haven't been hassled by the terrorist police yet or

realize

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> that you phone probably is tapped, just as much as all these

threads are

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> archived in Google so the government can pull up all the dirt it

has on

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> you and fabricate even more.
> Free country?
> Used to be.
> Bill

If you have to choose between freedom and security, you will choose
security
every time. Why is that? It is because once you are dead, freedom is a
moot
point to say the least!

****Begin Bill Baka response***
You forgot one thing. I don't fear death.

Most people do fear death and will live under conditions approaching
slavery - as long as they are permitted to live. The Indians of the Americas
could not be effectively enslaved, and so Negroes were brought to the New
World to do the slave labor. The Negroes were willing to be slaves because
they wanted to live.

I do have Native American blood in me, along with the admittedly hard
headed Irish and French on my mother's side, so that might explain a bit
of my attitude. Also, since I have already outlived some of my friends
and acquaintances, and have just topped my father in law, (heart attack
at 57), I figure the best reason to go on is the wife and kids, grand
kids, etc.

Quoted message said:

My wife told me that no matter

Quoted message said:

how nuts I drive a bike, car, motorcycle, or even the occasional airplane,
not to kill myself with my stunts because the kids and grandkids would be
so hurt without me. Personally, I have accepted the fact that I will
probably not be here in 2106, and the way things are going that is fine
with me. I do however want my freedom and if somebody threatens my
security or messes with my family, trust me, they will be dealt with, if
not by me directly, then some of my surviving and not so savory friends.

Your freedom is circumscribed by the greater requirements of the society of
which you are a part. In fact, without the society within which you live,
there would be no freedom at all. It would be nothing but kill and be
killed - as it is in the world of nature.

Do you know that even 'suicide' is a crime, but how they gonna punish ya?
Sure I don't go out packing a gun or knife and there is a need to
enforce peace with a police presence, but I don't want to give up my
soul to them because there is a one in 100,000 chance I might be killed
by a terrorist. That is about what the WTC 9/11 events work out to with
nearly 300 million people living in this country. In fact about that
many people die every day of natural causes or accidents.
Is all this government protection of a nation of cowards worth the
freedoms we are giving up? I think not.

Quoted message said:

I still keep in contact with some of my 'Bros' from

Quoted message said:

motorcycle days and my stepson keeps winding up in prison for stupid [censored]
because of the 3 strikes law. He also keeps getting out with more new
'friends', from guys who just mouthed off to a judge to stone cold killers
who got a light sentence. If the government ever got truly that bad there
would be an uprising, even within the military. Do you really think the
average 18 year old recruit would stand up for an order to detain or shoot
his family for "Un-American activities"?, or wonder how long news like
that would take to spread to all troops? This is neither Germany nor 1933.

Young people will do whatever they are trained to do by their upbringing.
This has been prove over and over by history. Your greatest killers are 18
year old kids.

A sorry truth I have to admit to but that goes back to bad parenting,
single parent homes, and a lot of problems that did not exist when I
(we) were young.
Bill Baka

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Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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Edward Dolan said:

"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> You obviously haven't been hassled by the terrorist police yet or
realize
>> that you phone probably is tapped, just as much as all these
threads are
>> archived in Google so the government can pull up all the dirt it
has on
>> you and fabricate even more.
>> Free country?
>> Used to be.
>> Bill
If you have to choose between freedom and security, you will choose
security
every time. Why is that? It is because once you are dead, freedom is a
moot
point to say the least!

****Begin Bill Baka response***
You forgot one thing. I don't fear death.

Most people do fear death and will live under conditions approaching
slavery - as long as they are permitted to live. The Indians of the
Americas could not be effectively enslaved, and so Negroes were brought
to the New World to do the slave labor. The Negroes were willing to be
slaves because they wanted to live.

I do have Native American blood in me, along with the admittedly hard
headed Irish and French on my mother's side, so that might explain a bit
of my attitude. Also, since I have already outlived some of my friends and
acquaintances, and have just topped my father in law, (heart attack at
57), I figure the best reason to go on is the wife and kids, grand kids,
etc.

Bill, I remember when I passed my father's age some years ago and thought I
did not have any right to live longer than he did. But life goes on and I
continue to be amused and bemused by life. You do not need to have a wife,
kids and grand kids to find life worth living.

As much as I hate the French for being such treasonous [censored] to what the
West stands for, I do think the Irish and the French are not a bad mix. They
are both essentially Celts which puts them at loggerheads with the
Anglo-Saxons (English).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

My wife told me that no matter

Quoted message said:

how nuts I drive a bike, car, motorcycle, or even the occasional
airplane, not to kill myself with my stunts because the kids and
grandkids would be so hurt without me. Personally, I have accepted the
fact that I will probably not be here in 2106, and the way things are
going that is fine with me. I do however want my freedom and if somebody
threatens my security or messes with my family, trust me, they will be
dealt with, if not by me directly, then some of my surviving and not so
savory friends.

Your freedom is circumscribed by the greater requirements of the society
of which you are a part. In fact, without the society within which you
live, there would be no freedom at all. It would be nothing but kill and
be killed - as it is in the world of nature.

Do you know that even 'suicide' is a crime, but how they gonna punish ya?
Sure I don't go out packing a gun or knife and there is a need to enforce
peace with a police presence, but I don't want to give up my soul to them
because there is a one in 100,000 chance I might be killed by a terrorist.
That is about what the WTC 9/11 events work out to with nearly 300 million
people living in this country. In fact about that many people die every
day of natural causes or accidents.
Is all this government protection of a nation of cowards worth the
freedoms we are giving up? I think not.

You need to distinguish between natural causes and accidents and the intent
of evildoers who mean to kill you if they can. I repeat, all people will
chose security over freedom. In fact, it has been the lot of most people in
most civilizations to live their lives with little or no freedom.

Do you recall how a few years ago a couple of snipers kept the entire
Washington D.C. area at bay. I can assure you that life is not worth living
under such circumstances.

I do think we are going to have give up much of our freedom in years to come
because of the kind of technology which makes it possible for a few
individuals to kill en masse.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I still keep in contact with some of my 'Bros' from

Quoted message said:

motorcycle days and my stepson keeps winding up in prison for stupid
[censored] because of the 3 strikes law. He also keeps getting out with more
new 'friends', from guys who just mouthed off to a judge to stone cold
killers who got a light sentence. If the government ever got truly that
bad there would be an uprising, even within the military. Do you really
think the average 18 year old recruit would stand up for an order to
detain or shoot his family for "Un-American activities"?, or wonder how
long news like that would take to spread to all troops? This is neither
Germany nor 1933.

Young people will do whatever they are trained to do by their upbringing.
This has been proven over and over by history. Your greatest killers are
18 year old kids.

A sorry truth I have to admit to but that goes back to bad parenting,
single parent homes, and a lot of problems that did not exist when I (we)
were young.

You do not want a military made up of older men. You want them to be young
because they will kill without compunction or reflection. Young men
everywhere tend to be killers. I think it must be ingrained in our natures.
[censored] sapiens = killer apes!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:35:40 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

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"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Edward Dolan said:

"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> [...]
>>> You obviously haven't been hassled by the terrorist police yet or
> realize
>>> that you phone probably is tapped, just as much as all these
> threads are
>>> archived in Google so the government can pull up all the dirt it
> has on
>>> you and fabricate even more.
>>> Free country?
>>> Used to be.
>>> Bill
> If you have to choose between freedom and security, you will choose
> security
> every time. Why is that? It is because once you are dead, freedom is a
> moot
> point to say the least!
>
> ****Begin Bill Baka response***
> You forgot one thing. I don't fear death.

Most people do fear death and will live under conditions approaching
slavery - as long as they are permitted to live. The Indians of the
Americas could not be effectively enslaved, and so Negroes were brought
to the New World to do the slave labor. The Negroes were willing to be
slaves because they wanted to live.

I do have Native American blood in me, along with the admittedly hard
headed Irish and French on my mother's side, so that might explain a bit
of my attitude. Also, since I have already outlived some of my friends and
acquaintances, and have just topped my father in law, (heart attack at
57), I figure the best reason to go on is the wife and kids, grand kids,
etc.

Bill, I remember when I passed my father's age some years ago and thought I
did not have any right to live longer than he did. But life goes on and I
continue to be amused and bemused by life. You do not need to have a wife,
kids and grand kids to find life worth living.

As much as I hate the French for being such treasonous [censored] to what the
West stands for, I do think the Irish and the French are not a bad mix. They
are both essentially Celts which puts them at loggerheads with the
Anglo-Saxons (English).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

My wife told me that no matter
> how nuts I drive a bike, car, motorcycle, or even the occasional
> airplane, not to kill myself with my stunts because the kids and
> grandkids would be so hurt without me. Personally, I have accepted the
> fact that I will probably not be here in 2106, and the way things are
> going that is fine with me. I do however want my freedom and if somebody
> threatens my security or messes with my family, trust me, they will be
> dealt with, if not by me directly, then some of my surviving and not so
> savory friends.

Your freedom is circumscribed by the greater requirements of the society
of which you are a part. In fact, without the society within which you
live, there would be no freedom at all. It would be nothing but kill and
be killed - as it is in the world of nature.

Do you know that even 'suicide' is a crime, but how they gonna punish ya?
Sure I don't go out packing a gun or knife and there is a need to enforce
peace with a police presence, but I don't want to give up my soul to them
because there is a one in 100,000 chance I might be killed by a terrorist.
That is about what the WTC 9/11 events work out to with nearly 300 million
people living in this country. In fact about that many people die every
day of natural causes or accidents.
Is all this government protection of a nation of cowards worth the
freedoms we are giving up? I think not.

You need to distinguish between natural causes and accidents and the intent
of evildoers who mean to kill you if they can. I repeat, all people will
chose security over freedom. In fact, it has been the lot of most people in
most civilizations to live their lives with little or no freedom.

Do you recall how a few years ago a couple of snipers kept the entire
Washington D.C. area at bay. I can assure you that life is not worth living
under such circumstances.

I do think we are going to have give up much of our freedom in years to come
because of the kind of technology which makes it possible for a few
individuals to kill en masse.

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Quoted message said:

I still keep in contact with some of my 'Bros' from
> motorcycle days and my stepson keeps winding up in prison for stupid
> [censored] because of the 3 strikes law. He also keeps getting out with more
> new 'friends', from guys who just mouthed off to a judge to stone cold
> killers who got a light sentence. If the government ever got truly that
> bad there would be an uprising, even within the military. Do you really
> think the average 18 year old recruit would stand up for an order to
> detain or shoot his family for "Un-American activities"?, or wonder how
> long news like that would take to spread to all troops? This is neither
> Germany nor 1933.

Young people will do whatever they are trained to do by their upbringing.
This has been proven over and over by history. Your greatest killers are
18 year old kids.

A sorry truth I have to admit to but that goes back to bad parenting,
single parent homes, and a lot of problems that did not exist when I (we)
were young.

You do not want a military made up of older men. You want them to be young
because they will kill without compunction or reflection. Young men
everywhere tend to be killers. I think it must be ingrained in our natures.
[censored] sapiens = killer apes!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

All men, generally, at some level have the strong desire to kill when
put in a situation that demands them to do it on an unfettered basis,
such as wartime combat. It's the ones that go on a guilt trip about it
that screw up the process.

R Brickston said:

All men, generally, at some level have the strong desire to kill when
put in a situation that demands them to do it on an unfettered basis,
such as wartime combat. It's the ones that go on a guilt trip about it
that screw up the process.

It's not too late for you to enlist, Butch. Uncle Scam wants YOU!

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R Brickston said:

All men, generally, at some level have the strong desire to kill when
put in a situation that demands them to do it on an unfettered basis,
such as wartime combat. It's the ones that go on a guilt trip about it
that screw up the process.

It's not too late for you to enlist, Butch. Uncle Scam wants YOU!

Everyone on this newsgroup is too old and tired to kill anyone. We are into
nothing but dying ourselves. Nay, it is up to the young to do our killing
for us. Jeez, I thought everyone knew this much!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

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Edward Dolan said:

"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> "Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> [...]
>>> You obviously haven't been hassled by the terrorist police yet or
> realize
>>> that you phone probably is tapped, just as much as all these
> threads are
>>> archived in Google so the government can pull up all the dirt it
> has on
>>> you and fabricate even more.
>>> Free country?
>>> Used to be.
>>> Bill
> If you have to choose between freedom and security, you will choose
> security
> every time. Why is that? It is because once you are dead, freedom is a
> moot
> point to say the least!
>
> ****Begin Bill Baka response***
> You forgot one thing. I don't fear death.
Most people do fear death and will live under conditions approaching
slavery - as long as they are permitted to live. The Indians of the
Americas could not be effectively enslaved, and so Negroes were brought
to the New World to do the slave labor. The Negroes were willing to be
slaves because they wanted to live.

I do have Native American blood in me, along with the admittedly hard
headed Irish and French on my mother's side, so that might explain a bit
of my attitude. Also, since I have already outlived some of my friends and
acquaintances, and have just topped my father in law, (heart attack at
57), I figure the best reason to go on is the wife and kids, grand kids,
etc.

Bill, I remember when I passed my father's age some years ago and thought I
did not have any right to live longer than he did. But life goes on and I
continue to be amused and bemused by life. You do not need to have a wife,
kids and grand kids to find life worth living.

As much as I hate the French for being such treasonous [censored] to what the
West stands for, I do think the Irish and the French are not a bad mix. They
are both essentially Celts which puts them at loggerheads with the
Anglo-Saxons (English).

I don't identify with the French as much as I do my 1/16 (or 1/32)
native American blood, which was that of Native American royalty.
My great, great grandmother was a princess, daughter of the grand chief
of the Huron nation, the same nation slaughtered by the American
military to conquer the 'savages' for the white man. I believe the
savages were the white man shooting the fleeing Indians in the back,
men, women, and children. Lincoln was part of that army unit, so no
matter what is ever said about him, I can never consider him a great man
to have taken part in such obvious genocide. The French, at least my
great, great grandfather was working with the Indians in a much more
civilized manner and as a reward he was allowed to marry the chief's
daughter, hence my heritage there. None of my ancestors were ever
involved in the blatant genocide committed by the white man, nor were
any involved in the southern slavery trade. I feel no shame of my
ancestral background.

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My wife told me that no matter
> how nuts I drive a bike, car, motorcycle, or even the occasional
> airplane, not to kill myself with my stunts because the kids and
> grandkids would be so hurt without me. Personally, I have accepted the
> fact that I will probably not be here in 2106, and the way things are
> going that is fine with me. I do however want my freedom and if somebody
> threatens my security or messes with my family, trust me, they will be
> dealt with, if not by me directly, then some of my surviving and not so
> savory friends.
Your freedom is circumscribed by the greater requirements of the society
of which you are a part. In fact, without the society within which you
live, there would be no freedom at all. It would be nothing but kill and
be killed - as it is in the world of nature.

Do you know that even 'suicide' is a crime, but how they gonna punish ya?
Sure I don't go out packing a gun or knife and there is a need to enforce
peace with a police presence, but I don't want to give up my soul to them
because there is a one in 100,000 chance I might be killed by a terrorist.
That is about what the WTC 9/11 events work out to with nearly 300 million
people living in this country. In fact about that many people die every
day of natural causes or accidents.
Is all this government protection of a nation of cowards worth the
freedoms we are giving up? I think not.

You need to distinguish between natural causes and accidents and the intent
of evildoers who mean to kill you if they can. I repeat, all people will
chose security over freedom. In fact, it has been the lot of most people in
most civilizations to live their lives with little or no freedom.

Not all people since I do not fall within the cowards group by a large
margin. I will walk into the middle of a group of obvious outlaw Harley
riders and begin to talk motorcycles without fear. I would carry a rifle
and become a vigilante if need be to protect my family and freedoms.
Having done close to 200 MPH on a motorcycle wearing no helmet takes
balls of steel and I don't care how many people can't fathom going that
fast on a motorcycle since I know I was between 170-200. I will sky dive
when I get the money to spare for the lessons. is this sane for a 57
year old? More so than for an 18 year old since I have already raised a
family and now can take risks and endanger only the remainder of my
life, not all of it. I still like to test my reflexes against
rattlesnakes and catch them behind the head while they are still
thinking of striking. Nobody lives forever and I am not about to fret
over it, and life in a rest home is never going to happen for me.

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Do you recall how a few years ago a couple of snipers kept the entire
Washington D.C. area at bay. I can assure you that life is not worth living
under such circumstances.

I can assure you that I would take my chances. The odds of being hit are
probably less than 1 in 100, and the odds of that being fatal are maybe
1 in 3.

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I do think we are going to have give up much of our freedom in years to come
because of the kind of technology which makes it possible for a few
individuals to kill en masse.

The world is already vastly overpopulated.

Quoted message said:

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I still keep in contact with some of my 'Bros' from
> motorcycle days and my stepson keeps winding up in prison for stupid
> [censored] because of the 3 strikes law. He also keeps getting out with more
> new 'friends', from guys who just mouthed off to a judge to stone cold
> killers who got a light sentence. If the government ever got truly that
> bad there would be an uprising, even within the military. Do you really
> think the average 18 year old recruit would stand up for an order to
> detain or shoot his family for "Un-American activities"?, or wonder how
> long news like that would take to spread to all troops? This is neither
> Germany nor 1933.
Young people will do whatever they are trained to do by their upbringing.
This has been proven over and over by history. Your greatest killers are
18 year old kids.

A sorry truth I have to admit to but that goes back to bad parenting,
single parent homes, and a lot of problems that did not exist when I (we)
were young.

You do not want a military made up of older men. You want them to be young
because they will kill without compunction or reflection. Young men
everywhere tend to be killers. I think it must be ingrained in our natures.
[censored] sapiens = killer apes!

With the technology to kill many more people. I do not think conflicts
will be the ultimate thinner of the population, but a new type of virus
that incubates for a week or so, gets spread worldwide due to excess air
travel, and then turns out to be 100% (even 99%) lethal. I suspect that
nature will be the great equalizer, via global warming and horrendous
storms or pandemic disease outbreaks that spread before the CDC and WHO
have a clue. Sorry that last one rhymed.
Bill Baka

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Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

R Brickston said:

On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:35:40 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
>> "Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>> [...]
>>>> You obviously haven't been hassled by the terrorist police yet or
>> realize
>>>> that you phone probably is tapped, just as much as all these
>> threads are
>>>> archived in Google so the government can pull up all the dirt it
>> has on
>>>> you and fabricate even more.
>>>> Free country?
>>>> Used to be.
>>>> Bill
>> If you have to choose between freedom and security, you will choose
>> security
>> every time. Why is that? It is because once you are dead, freedom is a
>> moot
>> point to say the least!
>>
>> ****Begin Bill Baka response***
>> You forgot one thing. I don't fear death.
> Most people do fear death and will live under conditions approaching
> slavery - as long as they are permitted to live. The Indians of the
> Americas could not be effectively enslaved, and so Negroes were brought
> to the New World to do the slave labor. The Negroes were willing to be
> slaves because they wanted to live.
I do have Native American blood in me, along with the admittedly hard
headed Irish and French on my mother's side, so that might explain a bit
of my attitude. Also, since I have already outlived some of my friends and
acquaintances, and have just topped my father in law, (heart attack at
57), I figure the best reason to go on is the wife and kids, grand kids,
etc.

Bill, I remember when I passed my father's age some years ago and thought I
did not have any right to live longer than he did. But life goes on and I
continue to be amused and bemused by life. You do not need to have a wife,
kids and grand kids to find life worth living.

As much as I hate the French for being such treasonous [censored] to what the
West stands for, I do think the Irish and the French are not a bad mix. They
are both essentially Celts which puts them at loggerheads with the
Anglo-Saxons (English).

Quoted message said:

> My wife told me that no matter
>> how nuts I drive a bike, car, motorcycle, or even the occasional
>> airplane, not to kill myself with my stunts because the kids and
>> grandkids would be so hurt without me. Personally, I have accepted the
>> fact that I will probably not be here in 2106, and the way things are
>> going that is fine with me. I do however want my freedom and if somebody
>> threatens my security or messes with my family, trust me, they will be
>> dealt with, if not by me directly, then some of my surviving and not so
>> savory friends.
> Your freedom is circumscribed by the greater requirements of the society
> of which you are a part. In fact, without the society within which you
> live, there would be no freedom at all. It would be nothing but kill and
> be killed - as it is in the world of nature.
Do you know that even 'suicide' is a crime, but how they gonna punish ya?
Sure I don't go out packing a gun or knife and there is a need to enforce
peace with a police presence, but I don't want to give up my soul to them
because there is a one in 100,000 chance I might be killed by a terrorist.
That is about what the WTC 9/11 events work out to with nearly 300 million
people living in this country. In fact about that many people die every
day of natural causes or accidents.
Is all this government protection of a nation of cowards worth the
freedoms we are giving up? I think not.

You need to distinguish between natural causes and accidents and the intent
of evildoers who mean to kill you if they can. I repeat, all people will
chose security over freedom. In fact, it has been the lot of most people in
most civilizations to live their lives with little or no freedom.

Do you recall how a few years ago a couple of snipers kept the entire
Washington D.C. area at bay. I can assure you that life is not worth living
under such circumstances.

I do think we are going to have give up much of our freedom in years to come
because of the kind of technology which makes it possible for a few
individuals to kill en masse.

Quoted message said:

> I still keep in contact with some of my 'Bros' from
>> motorcycle days and my stepson keeps winding up in prison for stupid
>> [censored] because of the 3 strikes law. He also keeps getting out with more
>> new 'friends', from guys who just mouthed off to a judge to stone cold
>> killers who got a light sentence. If the government ever got truly that
>> bad there would be an uprising, even within the military. Do you really
>> think the average 18 year old recruit would stand up for an order to
>> detain or shoot his family for "Un-American activities"?, or wonder how
>> long news like that would take to spread to all troops? This is neither
>> Germany nor 1933.
> Young people will do whatever they are trained to do by their upbringing.
> This has been proven over and over by history. Your greatest killers are
> 18 year old kids.
A sorry truth I have to admit to but that goes back to bad parenting,
single parent homes, and a lot of problems that did not exist when I (we)
were young.

You do not want a military made up of older men. You want them to be young
because they will kill without compunction or reflection. Young men
everywhere tend to be killers. I think it must be ingrained in our natures.
[censored] sapiens = killer apes!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

All men, generally, at some level have the strong desire to kill when
put in a situation that demands them to do it on an unfettered basis,
such as wartime combat. It's the ones that go on a guilt trip about it
that screw up the process.

I have no desire to kill, but I do have one rule that could cause me to.
Family. Do NOT mess with my family or I will retaliate, and if one of my
kids / grandkids is killed or molested that perp had better pray he dies
of natural causes before I catch him. Defending myself, as in 2001 when
I got into a fist fight with a 22 year old idiot, my only concern was
not to lose my temper and kill him, so I deflected his ill directed
blows for about 3 minutes. Me 52, him 22, and he was in danger for his
life, over a stupid road rage incident. Now picture somebody molesting
one of my family, and would I be so concerned. I would take him out of
the picture if the police didn't get him first. On the flip side, my
stepson knows so many people in the prison system he would be offed
within prison. My stepson is not a violent offender, but has tried
making drugs, unsuccessfully and has lead the police on a few too many
high speed chases. They all like him but the law puts him behind bars
and he never learns. He is what I call a 3 strike victim.
Enough of this, I just want to live in a free country, minus the DHS and
all to many other governmental agencies.
Bill Baka

Chalo said:

R Brickston said:

All men, generally, at some level have the strong desire to kill when
put in a situation that demands them to do it on an unfettered basis,
such as wartime combat. It's the ones that go on a guilt trip about it
that screw up the process.

It's not too late for you to enlist, Butch. Uncle Scam wants YOU!

Hey Chalo,
Long time no post.
Bill Baka

Edward Dolan said:

"Chalo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

R Brickston said:

All men, generally, at some level have the strong desire to kill when
put in a situation that demands them to do it on an unfettered basis,
such as wartime combat. It's the ones that go on a guilt trip about it
that screw up the process.

It's not too late for you to enlist, Butch. Uncle Scam wants YOU!

Everyone on this newsgroup is too old and tired to kill anyone. We are into
nothing but dying ourselves. Nay, it is up to the young to do our killing
for us. Jeez, I thought everyone knew this much!

Ed,
While I am way over the enlistment age of 34 I am training for a
century, the kind you measure in years. Go to www.jacklalanne.com and
see how healthy a 93 year old can be. He still gets up at 5 A.M. and
works out for a good 2 hours a day, minimum.
I don't want to live forever, I would die of boredom, but 100 seems
good. I am already 57.8 % of the way there.
Bill Baka

Quoted message said:

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Chalo said:

R Brickston said:

All men, generally, at some level have the strong desire to kill when
put in a situation that demands them to do it on an unfettered basis,
such as wartime combat. It's the ones that go on a guilt trip about it
that screw up the process.

It's not too late for you to enlist, Butch. Uncle Scam wants YOU!

"Uncle Scam?" Let me take a wild guess, you're leaning to the left and
Maureen Dowd is your pin up girl. Of course, your weight would have
made you undraftable back in the day. Lucky you, you could sit it out
and protest instead.

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:48:51 GMT, Bill <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

R Brickston said:

On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:35:40 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>>> "Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email hidden]...
>>> [...]
>>>>> You obviously haven't been hassled by the terrorist police yet or
>>> realize
>>>>> that you phone probably is tapped, just as much as all these
>>> threads are
>>>>> archived in Google so the government can pull up all the dirt it
>>> has on
>>>>> you and fabricate even more.
>>>>> Free country?
>>>>> Used to be.
>>>>> Bill
>>> If you have to choose between freedom and security, you will choose
>>> security
>>> every time. Why is that? It is because once you are dead, freedom is a
>>> moot
>>> point to say the least!
>>>
>>> ****Begin Bill Baka response***
>>> You forgot one thing. I don't fear death.
>> Most people do fear death and will live under conditions approaching
>> slavery - as long as they are permitted to live. The Indians of the
>> Americas could not be effectively enslaved, and so Negroes were brought
>> to the New World to do the slave labor. The Negroes were willing to be
>> slaves because they wanted to live.
> I do have Native American blood in me, along with the admittedly hard
> headed Irish and French on my mother's side, so that might explain a bit
> of my attitude. Also, since I have already outlived some of my friends and
> acquaintances, and have just topped my father in law, (heart attack at
> 57), I figure the best reason to go on is the wife and kids, grand kids,
> etc.
Bill, I remember when I passed my father's age some years ago and thought I
did not have any right to live longer than he did. But life goes on and I
continue to be amused and bemused by life. You do not need to have a wife,
kids and grand kids to find life worth living.

As much as I hate the French for being such treasonous [censored] to what the
West stands for, I do think the Irish and the French are not a bad mix. They
are both essentially Celts which puts them at loggerheads with the
Anglo-Saxons (English).

>> My wife told me that no matter
>>> how nuts I drive a bike, car, motorcycle, or even the occasional
>>> airplane, not to kill myself with my stunts because the kids and
>>> grandkids would be so hurt without me. Personally, I have accepted the
>>> fact that I will probably not be here in 2106, and the way things are
>>> going that is fine with me. I do however want my freedom and if somebody
>>> threatens my security or messes with my family, trust me, they will be
>>> dealt with, if not by me directly, then some of my surviving and not so
>>> savory friends.
>> Your freedom is circumscribed by the greater requirements of the society
>> of which you are a part. In fact, without the society within which you
>> live, there would be no freedom at all. It would be nothing but kill and
>> be killed - as it is in the world of nature.
> Do you know that even 'suicide' is a crime, but how they gonna punish ya?
> Sure I don't go out packing a gun or knife and there is a need to enforce
> peace with a police presence, but I don't want to give up my soul to them
> because there is a one in 100,000 chance I might be killed by a terrorist.
> That is about what the WTC 9/11 events work out to with nearly 300 million
> people living in this country. In fact about that many people die every
> day of natural causes or accidents.
> Is all this government protection of a nation of cowards worth the
> freedoms we are giving up? I think not.
You need to distinguish between natural causes and accidents and the intent
of evildoers who mean to kill you if they can. I repeat, all people will
chose security over freedom. In fact, it has been the lot of most people in
most civilizations to live their lives with little or no freedom.

Do you recall how a few years ago a couple of snipers kept the entire
Washington D.C. area at bay. I can assure you that life is not worth living
under such circumstances.

I do think we are going to have give up much of our freedom in years to come
because of the kind of technology which makes it possible for a few
individuals to kill en masse.

>> I still keep in contact with some of my 'Bros' from
>>> motorcycle days and my stepson keeps winding up in prison for stupid
>>> [censored] because of the 3 strikes law. He also keeps getting out with more
>>> new 'friends', from guys who just mouthed off to a judge to stone cold
>>> killers who got a light sentence. If the government ever got truly that
>>> bad there would be an uprising, even within the military. Do you really
>>> think the average 18 year old recruit would stand up for an order to
>>> detain or shoot his family for "Un-American activities"?, or wonder how
>>> long news like that would take to spread to all troops? This is neither
>>> Germany nor 1933.
>> Young people will do whatever they are trained to do by their upbringing.
>> This has been proven over and over by history. Your greatest killers are
>> 18 year old kids.
> A sorry truth I have to admit to but that goes back to bad parenting,
> single parent homes, and a lot of problems that did not exist when I (we)
> were young.
You do not want a military made up of older men. You want them to be young
because they will kill without compunction or reflection. Young men
everywhere tend to be killers. I think it must be ingrained in our natures.
[censored] sapiens = killer apes!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

All men, generally, at some level have the strong desire to kill when
put in a situation that demands them to do it on an unfettered basis,
such as wartime combat. It's the ones that go on a guilt trip about it
that screw up the process.

I have no desire to kill, but I do have one rule that could cause me to.
Family. Do NOT mess with my family or I will retaliate, and if one of my
kids / grandkids is killed or molested that perp had better pray he dies
of natural causes before I catch him. Defending myself, as in 2001 when
I got into a fist fight with a 22 year old idiot, my only concern was
not to lose my temper and kill him, so I deflected his ill directed
blows for about 3 minutes. Me 52, him 22, and he was in danger for his
life, over a stupid road rage incident. Now picture somebody molesting
one of my family, and would I be so concerned. I would take him out of
the picture if the police didn't get him first. On the flip side, my
stepson knows so many people in the prison system he would be offed
within prison. My stepson is not a violent offender, but has tried
making drugs, unsuccessfully and has lead the police on a few too many
high speed chases. They all like him but the law puts him behind bars
and he never learns. He is what I call a 3 strike victim.
Enough of this, I just want to live in a free country, minus the DHS and
all to many other governmental agencies.
Bill Baka

Another contradictory scribbling from Baka. To wit:

"I have no desire to kill..."

"my only concern was not to lose my temper and kill him"

In the field, your desire to kill is the only thing that will keep you
alive.

"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Edward Dolan said:

"Chalo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

R Brickston wrote:
> All men, generally, at some level have the strong desire to kill when
> put in a situation that demands them to do it on an unfettered basis,
> such as wartime combat. It's the ones that go on a guilt trip about it
> that screw up the process.
It's not too late for you to enlist, Butch. Uncle Scam wants YOU!

Everyone on this newsgroup is too old and tired to kill anyone. We are
into nothing but dying ourselves. Nay, it is up to the young to do our
killing for us. Jeez, I thought everyone knew this much!

Ed,
While I am way over the enlistment age of 34 I am training for a century,
the kind you measure in years. Go to www.jacklalanne.com and see how
healthy a 93 year old can be. He still gets up at 5 A.M. and works out for
a good 2 hours a day, minimum.
I don't want to live forever, I would die of boredom, but 100 seems good.
I am already 57.8 % of the way there.
Bill Baka

But you have been an iron man all of your life and I have been a wimp. It is
something of a miracle that I have made it to the age of 70.

The average age of the Romans buried in the catacombs was 24! It is only in
fairly recent times that men could look forward to an old age. I felt
half-way decent in my 50's too, but that changes with every decade. Everyone
slows down in their 60's which is why it was for so long the retirement age.
Staying active will help, but it is a failing program nonetheless. The way
of all flesh ...

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
[...]

Quoted message said:

I have no desire to kill, but I do have one rule that could cause me to.
Family. Do NOT mess with my family or I will retaliate, and if one of my
kids / grandkids is killed or molested that perp had better pray he dies
of natural causes before I catch him. Defending myself, as in 2001 when I
got into a fist fight with a 22 year old idiot, my only concern was not to
lose my temper and kill him, so I deflected his ill directed blows for
about 3 minutes. Me 52, him 22, and he was in danger for his life, over a
stupid road rage incident. Now picture somebody molesting one of my
family, and would I be so concerned. I would take him out of the picture
if the police didn't get him first. On the flip side, my stepson knows so
many people in the prison system he would be offed within prison. My
stepson is not a violent offender, but has tried making drugs,
unsuccessfully and has lead the police on a few too many high speed
chases. They all like him but the law puts him behind bars and he never
learns. He is what I call a 3 strike victim.
Enough of this, I just want to live in a free country, minus the DHS and
all to many other governmental agencies.
Bill Baka

Your concern for your family is no different than my larger concern for
society. You and your family are totally dependent on the society in which
you live. If the society caves, so does your family.

Government is essential for all societies. In times of war it is very often
necessary to give up some of our traditional freedoms. I do not mind this at
all. I want to be safe and secure above all else. Freedom is actually a
luxury, not a necessity.

Society needs to be protected from all who would hurt it, whether internally
or externally That is what governments are for. Your animus against
government, whether big or small, is crazy. It is all that stands between us
and anarchy.

The old Sicily is a wonderful example of what happens when government fails.
You end up being ruled by thugs (Mafia). No thanks! I prefer government any
old day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

R Brickston said:

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:48:51 GMT, Bill <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

R Brickston said:

On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:35:40 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

> "Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> "Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email hidden]...
>>>> "Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email hidden]...
>>>> [...]
>>>>>> You obviously haven't been hassled by the terrorist police yet or
>>>> realize
>>>>>> that you phone probably is tapped, just as much as all these
>>>> threads are
>>>>>> archived in Google so the government can pull up all the dirt it
>>>> has on
>>>>>> you and fabricate even more.
>>>>>> Free country?
>>>>>> Used to be.
>>>>>> Bill
>>>> If you have to choose between freedom and security, you will choose
>>>> security
>>>> every time. Why is that? It is because once you are dead, freedom is a
>>>> moot
>>>> point to say the least!
>>>>
>>>> ****Begin Bill Baka response***
>>>> You forgot one thing. I don't fear death.
>>> Most people do fear death and will live under conditions approaching
>>> slavery - as long as they are permitted to live. The Indians of the
>>> Americas could not be effectively enslaved, and so Negroes were brought
>>> to the New World to do the slave labor. The Negroes were willing to be
>>> slaves because they wanted to live.
>> I do have Native American blood in me, along with the admittedly hard
>> headed Irish and French on my mother's side, so that might explain a bit
>> of my attitude. Also, since I have already outlived some of my friends and
>> acquaintances, and have just topped my father in law, (heart attack at
>> 57), I figure the best reason to go on is the wife and kids, grand kids,
>> etc.
> Bill, I remember when I passed my father's age some years ago and thought I
> did not have any right to live longer than he did. But life goes on and I
> continue to be amused and bemused by life. You do not need to have a wife,
> kids and grand kids to find life worth living.
>
> As much as I hate the French for being such treasonous [censored] to what the
> West stands for, I do think the Irish and the French are not a bad mix. They
> are both essentially Celts which puts them at loggerheads with the
> Anglo-Saxons (English).
>
>>> My wife told me that no matter
>>>> how nuts I drive a bike, car, motorcycle, or even the occasional
>>>> airplane, not to kill myself with my stunts because the kids and
>>>> grandkids would be so hurt without me. Personally, I have accepted the
>>>> fact that I will probably not be here in 2106, and the way things are
>>>> going that is fine with me. I do however want my freedom and if somebody
>>>> threatens my security or messes with my family, trust me, they will be
>>>> dealt with, if not by me directly, then some of my surviving and not so
>>>> savory friends.
>>> Your freedom is circumscribed by the greater requirements of the society
>>> of which you are a part. In fact, without the society within which you
>>> live, there would be no freedom at all. It would be nothing but kill and
>>> be killed - as it is in the world of nature.
>> Do you know that even 'suicide' is a crime, but how they gonna punish ya?
>> Sure I don't go out packing a gun or knife and there is a need to enforce
>> peace with a police presence, but I don't want to give up my soul to them
>> because there is a one in 100,000 chance I might be killed by a terrorist.
>> That is about what the WTC 9/11 events work out to with nearly 300 million
>> people living in this country. In fact about that many people die every
>> day of natural causes or accidents.
>> Is all this government protection of a nation of cowards worth the
>> freedoms we are giving up? I think not.
> You need to distinguish between natural causes and accidents and the intent
> of evildoers who mean to kill you if they can. I repeat, all people will
> chose security over freedom. In fact, it has been the lot of most people in
> most civilizations to live their lives with little or no freedom.
>
> Do you recall how a few years ago a couple of snipers kept the entire
> Washington D.C. area at bay. I can assure you that life is not worth living
> under such circumstances.
>
> I do think we are going to have give up much of our freedom in years to come
> because of the kind of technology which makes it possible for a few
> individuals to kill en masse.
>
>>> I still keep in contact with some of my 'Bros' from
>>>> motorcycle days and my stepson keeps winding up in prison for stupid
>>>> [censored] because of the 3 strikes law. He also keeps getting out with more
>>>> new 'friends', from guys who just mouthed off to a judge to stone cold
>>>> killers who got a light sentence. If the government ever got truly that
>>>> bad there would be an uprising, even within the military. Do you really
>>>> think the average 18 year old recruit would stand up for an order to
>>>> detain or shoot his family for "Un-American activities"?, or wonder how
>>>> long news like that would take to spread to all troops? This is neither
>>>> Germany nor 1933.
>>> Young people will do whatever they are trained to do by their upbringing.
>>> This has been proven over and over by history. Your greatest killers are
>>> 18 year old kids.
>> A sorry truth I have to admit to but that goes back to bad parenting,
>> single parent homes, and a lot of problems that did not exist when I (we)
>> were young.
> You do not want a military made up of older men. You want them to be young
> because they will kill without compunction or reflection. Young men
> everywhere tend to be killers. I think it must be ingrained in our natures.
> [censored] sapiens = killer apes!
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
All men, generally, at some level have the strong desire to kill when
put in a situation that demands them to do it on an unfettered basis,
such as wartime combat. It's the ones that go on a guilt trip about it
that screw up the process.

I have no desire to kill, but I do have one rule that could cause me to.
Family. Do NOT mess with my family or I will retaliate, and if one of my
kids / grandkids is killed or molested that perp had better pray he dies
of natural causes before I catch him. Defending myself, as in 2001 when
I got into a fist fight with a 22 year old idiot, my only concern was
not to lose my temper and kill him, so I deflected his ill directed
blows for about 3 minutes. Me 52, him 22, and he was in danger for his
life, over a stupid road rage incident. Now picture somebody molesting
one of my family, and would I be so concerned. I would take him out of
the picture if the police didn't get him first. On the flip side, my
stepson knows so many people in the prison system he would be offed
within prison. My stepson is not a violent offender, but has tried
making drugs, unsuccessfully and has lead the police on a few too many
high speed chases. They all like him but the law puts him behind bars
and he never learns. He is what I call a 3 strike victim.
Enough of this, I just want to live in a free country, minus the DHS and
all to many other governmental agencies.
Bill Baka

Another contradictory scribbling from Baka. To wit:

"I have no desire to kill..."

"my only concern was not to lose my temper and kill him"

In the field, your desire to kill is the only thing that will keep you
alive.

If you saw (if I posted) I have never been in the service. I tried to
enlist in 1966 at the height (beginning) of the worst part of Viet Nam.
I went from Air Force, to Navy, to National Guard, even to Coast Guard.
All of them told me they had so many applicants to just give up and join
the Army. Rather than do that I volunteered for the draft and was called
to the Oakland induction center. I aced their simple I.Q. test that tops
at 132 and a huge sergeant accused me of cheating, and I said "Why the
Hell would I cheat to get drafted?". He harassed me all day. At the end
of the day they said they would be calling me and I figured I was going
to see a foreign country soon. 6 months later, no call, so I called
them, and they told me that they did not like my personality, cheating
on the I.Q. test and all those traffic tickets I had. They did keep me
1-A though, just to teach me who was boss.

Quoted message said:

Another contradictory scribbling from Baka. To wit:

"I have no desire to kill..."

"my only concern was not to lose my temper and kill him"

Your stupidity is showing here again. I could have easily dispatched him
but a road rage incident is hardly motivation. He was incapable of being
a threat to me and not worth going to jail to explain myself, even
though I had about a dozen witnesses on my side. As I said, I try to
control myself. Even though I do not possess a belt in any one
discipline, I am well trained with excellent reflexes and do know how to
fight lethally with an open hand, no fist needed. Before I was married a
few challengers larger than myself landed in the hospital, but I was
single then and it was in self defense even if I did provoke them.
I don't start things, only finish them.
Bill Baka

Edward Dolan said:

"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
[...]

Quoted message said:

I have no desire to kill, but I do have one rule that could cause me to.
Family. Do NOT mess with my family or I will retaliate, and if one of my
kids / grandkids is killed or molested that perp had better pray he dies
of natural causes before I catch him. Defending myself, as in 2001 when I
got into a fist fight with a 22 year old idiot, my only concern was not to
lose my temper and kill him, so I deflected his ill directed blows for
about 3 minutes. Me 52, him 22, and he was in danger for his life, over a
stupid road rage incident. Now picture somebody molesting one of my
family, and would I be so concerned. I would take him out of the picture
if the police didn't get him first. On the flip side, my stepson knows so
many people in the prison system he would be offed within prison. My
stepson is not a violent offender, but has tried making drugs,
unsuccessfully and has lead the police on a few too many high speed
chases. They all like him but the law puts him behind bars and he never
learns. He is what I call a 3 strike victim.
Enough of this, I just want to live in a free country, minus the DHS and
all to many other governmental agencies.
Bill Baka

Your concern for your family is no different than my larger concern for
society. You and your family are totally dependent on the society in which
you live. If the society caves, so does your family.

If your I.Q. and observational abilities are as you say, then you know
that the cave in is nearing. Overpopulation, paving over of farmland,
mass famine, mass disease spread by air travel, or something, but it
will be beyond government control and will probably be irreversible.

Quoted message said:

Government is essential for all societies. In times of war it is very often
necessary to give up some of our traditional freedoms. I do not mind this at
all. I want to be safe and secure above all else. Freedom is actually a
luxury, not a necessity.

50 years ago we only had 2.5 billion people. Now it is more like 6.5.
What do you think it will be if unchecked in 50 more years? I may
actually live long enough to see it, and I would consider that bad luck
to live that long.

Quoted message said:

Society needs to be protected from all who would hurt it, whether internally
or externally That is what governments are for. Your animus against
government, whether big or small, is crazy. It is all that stands between us
and anarchy.

Agreed, except that governments seem to follow the rule of absolute
power corrupting absolutely.

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The old Sicily is a wonderful example of what happens when government fails.
You end up being ruled by thugs (Mafia). No thanks! I prefer government any
old day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Wait until the start asking for your papers on a regular basis when you
are just walking down the street.
Bill Baka

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Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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I don't identify with the French as much as I do my 1/16 (or 1/32) native
American blood, which was that of Native American royalty.
My great, great grandmother was a princess, daughter of the grand chief of
the Huron nation, the same nation slaughtered by the American military to
conquer the 'savages' for the white man. I believe the savages were the
white man shooting the fleeing Indians in the back, men, women, and
children. Lincoln was part of that army unit, so no matter what is ever
said about him, I can never consider him a great man to have taken part in
such obvious genocide.

Lincoln had many Indians hanged at Mankato for the Sioux Uprising in
Minnesota. Mankato is not very far from here. I believe this was the largest
mass execution in US history.

The French, at least my

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great, great grandfather was working with the Indians in a much more
civilized manner and as a reward he was allowed to marry the chief's
daughter, hence my heritage there. None of my ancestors were ever involved
in the blatant genocide committed by the white man, nor were any involved
in the southern slavery trade. I feel no shame of my ancestral background.

It was a classic case of the clash of cultures and races which the Indian
was bound to lose. The Whites at the time thought the only good Indian was a
dead Indian. I know if I had been living then, that is what I would have
thought too.
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You need to distinguish between natural causes and accidents and the
intent of evildoers who mean to kill you if they can. I repeat, all
people will chose security over freedom. In fact, it has been the lot of
most people in most civilizations to live their lives with little or no
freedom.

Not all people since I do not fall within the cowards group by a large
margin. I will walk into the middle of a group of obvious outlaw Harley
riders and begin to talk motorcycles without fear. I would carry a rifle
and become a vigilante if need be to protect my family and freedoms.
Having done close to 200 MPH on a motorcycle wearing no helmet takes balls
of steel and I don't care how many people can't fathom going that fast on
a motorcycle since I know I was between 170-200. I will sky dive when I
get the money to spare for the lessons. is this sane for a 57 year old?
More so than for an 18 year old since I have already raised a family and
now can take risks and endanger only the remainder of my life, not all of
it. I still like to test my reflexes against rattlesnakes and catch them
behind the head while they are still thinking of striking. Nobody lives
forever and I am not about to fret over it, and life in a rest home is
never going to happen for me.

Nope, personal bravery has nothing to do with the requirement that society
be protected and made secure for everyone. Only the government can do that.
That is in fact the chief function of government. That is why Bush is up to
the mark and why all the Dems are out to lunch as usual. No one trusts the
Dems to look after the security of the nation.

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Do you recall how a few years ago a couple of snipers kept the entire
Washington D.C. area at bay. I can assure you that life is not worth
living under such circumstances.

I can assure you that I would take my chances. The odds of being hit are
probably less than 1 in 100, and the odds of that being fatal are maybe 1
in 3.

Everyone was cowering and were afraid to go to the gas stations to get gas
for their cars for fear of being shot. You simply do not know what you are
talking about. Bravado in this day and age is ridiculous. You would not last
long in Israel, that is for sure.

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I do think we are going to have give up much of our freedom in years to
come because of the kind of technology which makes it possible for a few
individuals to kill en masse.

The world is already vastly overpopulated.

Ding-Dong the witch is dead!
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You do not want a military made up of older men. You want them to be
young because they will kill without compunction or reflection. Young men
everywhere tend to be killers. I think it must be ingrained in our
natures. [censored] sapiens = killer apes!

With the technology to kill many more people. I do not think conflicts
will be the ultimate thinner of the population, but a new type of virus
that incubates for a week or so, gets spread worldwide due to excess air
travel, and then turns out to be 100% (even 99%) lethal. I suspect that
nature will be the great equalizer, via global warming and horrendous
storms or pandemic disease outbreaks that spread before the CDC and WHO
have a clue. Sorry that last one rhymed.
Bill Baka

Even so, we are presently at war with an enemy who may be able to get their
hands on nuclear weapons one of these days. You might not mind Chicago going
up in a puff of smoke, but I think most Americans would not take kindly to
it.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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Government is essential for all societies. In times of war it is very
often necessary to give up some of our traditional freedoms. I do not
mind this at all. I want to be safe and secure above all else. Freedom is
actually a luxury, not a necessity.

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Society needs to be protected from all who would hurt it, whether
internally or externally That is what governments are for. Your animus
against government, whether big or small, is crazy. It is all that stands
between us and anarchy.

Agreed, except that governments seem to follow the rule of absolute power
corrupting absolutely.

Not in democracies where the rascals can be voted out of office.

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The old Sicily is a wonderful example of what happens when government
fails. You end up being ruled by thugs (Mafia). No thanks! I prefer
government any old day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Wait until the start asking for your papers on a regular basis when you
are just walking down the street.

Nope, I can live with that easily. Security and safety trumps everything
else.

I spent 4 years in the Navy. When you are in the military you are not living
in a democracy at all. In fact, you are living in a very rigid
non-democratic structure. You get used to it as long as everything is
provided for you. It would be a pity if all of society were so organized,
but again security and safety trumps everything else.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota