Re: Americans Patrolling the Border

Oh goodie! So why not stop there? There's crime too, so lets patrol
those areas. Oh and then there's the courts are too bogged-down, so
we'll just kill off some 'illegals' to make more room.
So where does it stop? If you're a racsist, (and you are), then it
makes sense.

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Oh goodie! So why not stop there? There's crime too, so lets patrol
those areas. Oh and then there's the courts are too bogged-down, so
we'll just kill off some 'illegals' to make more room.
So where does it stop? If you're a racsist, (and you are), then it
makes sense.

Yep. There kids smoking pot.
Hell, let's patrol them.

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There kids smoking pot.>

I'd LIKE to patrol them! In the name of the law, I'd confiscate their
weed, and of course I'd have to 'dispose' of it somehow, so I guess I'd
just have to burn it... Then eat, then burn it, then eat, then, well,
you got the idea.

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Oh goodie! So why not stop there? There's crime too, so lets patrol
those areas. Oh and then there's the courts are too bogged-down, so
we'll just kill off some 'illegals' to make more room.
So where does it stop? If you're a racsist, (and you are), then it
makes sense.

Still having panic attacks that the Minutement were so utterly
successful, eh? Try to control your hysteria, douche.

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Iconoclast said:

Despite what the mainstream media claims -- Americans are patrolling our own
borders.

http://www.rescuewithoutborders.org/id48.html

Since the President and Congress have failed to provide border security
the burden falls on the citizens.

It¹s really more a symbolic gesture then an effective one, but it makes
good PR to the fact such a poor job is done with our border security,

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

WillBrink said:

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Iconoclast said:

Despite what the mainstream media claims -- Americans are
patrolling our own borders.

http://www.rescuewithoutborders.org/id48.html

Since the President and Congress have failed to provide border
security the burden falls on the citizens.

It¹s really more a symbolic gesture then an effective one, but it
makes good PR to the fact such a poor job is done with our border
security,

Exactly. When old retired school bus drivers have to do the job that their
government is supposed to, it sends a great message.
--
-Larry

WillBrink said:

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Iconoclast said:

Despite what the mainstream media claims -- Americans are patrolling our own
borders.

http://www.rescuewithoutborders.org/id48.html

Since the President and Congress have failed to provide border security
the burden falls on the citizens.

It¹s really more a symbolic gesture then an effective one, but it makes
good PR to the fact such a poor job is done with our border security,

Not to mention all the panic attacks the ACLU has when the
demonstrations are so successful while being utterly peaceful.

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Larry Hodges said:

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

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Iconoclast wrote:
> Despite what the mainstream media claims -- Americans are
> patrolling our own borders.
>
> http://www.rescuewithoutborders.org/id48.html

Since the President and Congress have failed to provide border
security the burden falls on the citizens.

It¹s really more a symbolic gesture then an effective one, but it
makes good PR to the fact such a poor job is done with our border
security,

Exactly. When old retired school bus drivers have to do the job that their
government is supposed to, it sends a great message.

It's probably done more for bringing people's attention to the issue
then anything I can think of before it.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

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WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

Iconoclast wrote:
> Despite what the mainstream media claims -- Americans are patrolling
> our own
> borders.
>
> http://www.rescuewithoutborders.org/id48.html

Since the President and Congress have failed to provide border security
the burden falls on the citizens.

It¹s really more a symbolic gesture then an effective one, but it makes
good PR to the fact such a poor job is done with our border security,

Not to mention all the panic attacks the ACLU has when the
demonstrations are so successful while being utterly peaceful.

According to the ACLU, First Amend good, Second Amend bad. Logic and
history not being a strong point for the ACLU it appears.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

On 7/18/05 6:25 PM, in article
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WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

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WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] wrote:

> Iconoclast wrote:
>> Despite what the mainstream media claims -- Americans are patrolling
>> our own
>> borders.
>>
>> http://www.rescuewithoutborders.org/id48.html
>
> Since the President and Congress have failed to provide border security
> the burden falls on the citizens.

It¹s really more a symbolic gesture then an effective one, but it makes
good PR to the fact such a poor job is done with our border security,

Not to mention all the panic attacks the ACLU has when the
demonstrations are so successful while being utterly peaceful.

According to the ACLU, First Amend good, Second Amend bad. Logic and
history not being a strong point for the ACLU it appears.

Freedoms and rights good.
People who abuse freedoms and rights, bad.
People who fear abusers of freedoms and rights, bad.
People impotent to deal with abusers of freedoms and rights, bad.

Bad wins, sadly. If the rights can't be used without abuse, it seems the
"better" way is to simply take away the rights. Hence things like the
half-ass gun control measures. I maintain, you take away guns from
*everyone*, then people will kill each other with sticks, rocks and bone
knives. Guns are but a tool. The tool isn't the problem.

You mentioned the 2nd amendment, hence my gun control comment.

(sigh)

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In article <1121725858.b2cb7cf717691d2db73b0b477af6ddf4@teranews>,

Chris Hornberger said:

On 7/18/05 6:25 PM, in article
[email hidden],

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

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WillBrink wrote:
> In article <[email hidden]>,
> [email hidden] wrote:
>
>> Iconoclast wrote:
>>> Despite what the mainstream media claims -- Americans are patrolling
>>> our own
>>> borders.
>>>
>>> http://www.rescuewithoutborders.org/id48.html
>>
>> Since the President and Congress have failed to provide border security
>> the burden falls on the citizens.
>
> It¹s really more a symbolic gesture then an effective one, but it makes
> good PR to the fact such a poor job is done with our border security,

Not to mention all the panic attacks the ACLU has when the
demonstrations are so successful while being utterly peaceful.

According to the ACLU, First Amend good, Second Amend bad. Logic and
history not being a strong point for the ACLU it appears.

Freedoms and rights good.
People who abuse freedoms and rights, bad.
People who fear abusers of freedoms and rights, bad.
People impotent to deal with abusers of freedoms and rights, bad.

Bad wins, sadly. If the rights can't be used without abuse, it seems the
"better" way is to simply take away the rights. Hence things like the
half-ass gun control measures. I maintain, you take away guns from
*everyone*, then people will kill each other with sticks, rocks and bone
knives. Guns are but a tool. The tool isn't the problem.

You mentioned the 2nd amendment, hence my gun control comment.

And I would agree with everything you have said, though you will note
abuse of the First Amend happens all the time, but no one is screaming
to remove that one. You can't protect the First without the Second, a
fact lost on the ACLU, Brady Bunch, and their ilk.

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(sigh)

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"Fish! - of Arcadia." <[email hidden]> wrote

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I'm moist with anticipation of your justfication for mentally unbalanced
people gaining easy access to guns. I'm almost in a state of perpetual
happiness seeing how many of you [censored] get killed each year by guns.

But fish, it is illegal for the mentally imbalanced to have guns in the USA,
thanks to laws lobbied in by the NRA. Anti-gun idiots would simply have made
them wait a few days.

"Fish! - of Arcadia." <[email hidden]> wrote in message >

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But this is all just [censored] in the wind to you gun freaks. See how happy
you are if someone you know is killed by a gun.

I'm moist with anticipation of your justfication for mentally unbalanced
people gaining easy access to guns. I'm almost in a state of perpetual
happiness seeing how many of you [censored] get killed each year by guns.
--

See, we have a method of removing [censored] from our ranks.
I see you simply let them breed and take over.
I say our way is better.

--

Dr. Dickie
"Let be be finale of seem.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream."
-- Wallace Stevens

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Larry Hodges said:

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] wrote:

>Iconoclast wrote:
>
>>Despite what the mainstream media claims -- Americans are
>>patrolling our own borders.
>>
>>http://www.rescuewithoutborders.org/id48.html
>
>Since the President and Congress have failed to provide border
>security the burden falls on the citizens.

It¹s really more a symbolic gesture then an effective one, but it
makes good PR to the fact such a poor job is done with our border
security,

Exactly. When old retired school bus drivers have to do the job that their
government is supposed to, it sends a great message.

It's probably done more for bringing people's attention to the issue
then anything I can think of before it.

Everyone has already had their attention on the issue for the last
decade or more!

What the "Minuteman Project" does is make it impossible for the
Administration and Congress to _pretend it's a non-issue_.

This coming election, We the People are going to make it abundantly
clear that until the Border and Ports are secured, _there is no other
issue_. We'll be at meetings and rallys and especially we will be at any
public news conferences, and we will not let the candidates speak on any
matter until and unless they've publicly stated their position on the
Invasion.

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The incapacity of a weak and distracted government may
often assume the appearance, and produce the effects,
of a treasonable correspondence with the public enemy.
--Gibbon, "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"
==================================================================
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--Desperate Housewives

In article <[email hidden]>,

Fish! - of Arcadia. said:

So unless there's some global shift in the way people fundamentally
think removing guns will not increase the amount of stabbing deaths,
otherwise all the countries WITH gun control laws would have see a
massive upswing in stabbings.

Perhaps consider doing some research prior to running your pie hole. For
example:

"The authors of an editorial in the latest issue of the British Medical
Journal have called for knife reform. The editorial, "Reducing knife
crime: We need to ban the sale of long, pointed kitchen knives," notes
that the knives are being used to stab people as well as roasts and the
odd tin of Spam.

Manufacturers are urged to redesign kitchen knives with rounded tips.
The authors of the essay - Drs. Emma Hern, Will Glazebrook and Mike
Beckett of the West Middlesex University Hospital in London - called for
laws requiring knife manufacturers to redesign their wares with rounded,
blunt tips.

The researchers noted that the rate of violent crime in Britain rose
nearly 18 percent from 2003 to 2004, and that in the first two weeks of
2005, 15 killings and 16 nonfatal attacks involved stabbings. In an
unusual move for a scholarly work, the researchers cited a January
headline from The Daily Express, a London tabloid: "Britain is in the
grip of knives terror - third of murder victims are now stabbed to
death." Dr. Hern said that "we came up with the idea and tossed it into
the pot" to get people talking about crime reduction. "Whether it's a
sensible solution to this problem or not, I'm not sure."

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But this is all just [censored] in the wind to you gun freaks.

"gun freaks" prefer logic and data, people like yourself prefer emotions
and putting head in sand. For example:

"Gun crimes during the first 10 months of the annual period have tripled
in most of the urban areas which have so far submitted statistics to the
Home Office. [Sir John Stevens, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner]
said: "The price of hiring or buying a gun has come down because there
are more guns circulating." Handgun crime has soared past levels last
seen before the Dunblane massacre of 1996 and the ban on the weapons
that followed. The ban on ownership of handguns was introduced in 1997.
It was hoped that the measure would reduce the number of handguns
available to criminals. According to internal Home Office statistics,
however, handgun crime is now at its highest since 1993."

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

WillBrink said:

"gun freaks" prefer logic and data, people like yourself prefer emotions
and putting head in sand. For example:

So given this mastery of logic and data, I'm curious about the
following statistic:

Homicides per 100,000 people:

USA 5.6
Britain 1.6

It appears that regardless of whether their homicide rate is
climbing or falling, it's appreciably lower.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Rob Kleinschmidt said:

WillBrink said:

"gun freaks" prefer logic and data, people like yourself prefer emotions
and putting head in sand. For example:

So given this mastery of logic and data,

Some of which was supplied and you snipped.

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I'm curious about the
following statistic:

Homicides per 100,000 people:

USA 5.6
Britain 1.6

It appears that regardless of whether their homicide rate is
climbing or falling, it's appreciably lower.

(1) homicide rates does not = number of guns. For example:

Myth No. 3: The United States has such a high murder rate because
Americans own so many guns.

"There is no international evidence backing this up. The Swiss, New
Zealanders and Finns all own guns as frequently as Americans, yet in
1995 Switzerland had a murder rate 40 percent lower than Germany's, and
New Zealand had one lower than Australia's. Finland and Sweden have very
different gun ownership rates, but very similar murder rates. Israel,
with a higher gun ownership rate than the U.S., has a murder rate 40
percent below Canada's. When one studies all countries rather than just
a select few as is usually done, there is absolutely no relationship
between gun ownership and murder."

(2) the UKs crime rates went up when the added more gun control and now
leads the western world in crime:

Britain the most violent country in western Europe
By John Steele, Crime Correspondent
(Filed: 25/10/2003)

Britain has the worst record in western Europe for killings, violence
and burglary and its citizens face one of the highest risks in the
industrialised world of becoming victims of crime, a study has shown.

Offences of violence in the UK have been running at three times the
level of the next worst country in western Europe, and burglaries at
nearly twice the rate.

Britain has the highest level of homicides in western Europe and the
totals for robberies and thefts of motor vehicles have also been close
to the highest in the European Union, outstripped only by France, the
Home Office figures show.

Only Germany, which has 20 million more people, recorded more crimes
overall in 2001, the most up-to-date figure in the research -
International Comparisons of Criminal Justice Statistics 2001, with data
collected by the Home Office and the Council of Europe.

But the "victimisation risk" - showing the risk of suffering a crime -
in England and Wales is higher for overall crime than anywhere else in
Europe, and higher than in America. The same is true of falling victim
to "contact" - violent - crime.

England and Wales also had markedly fewer police officers per head of
population than France, Germany and Italy, according to the study.

The Home Office points out that police have achieved some reductions in
violence and robbery in 2003.

The study is also accompanied by warnings about the difficulties in
making comparisons because of differing definitions and methods of
recording crime. But the sheer scale of offending in the UK in recent
years is apparent from the figures.

Britain had 1,050 homicides in 2001, three ahead of France, the next
worst in western Europe.

In 2001, UK police recorded nearly 870,000 violent crimes, a figure
hugely above the next highest total - 279,000 in France. Germany
recorded 188,000 violent offences.

There were around 470,000 domestic burglary offences in England, Wales,
Scotland and Northern Ireland. Spain recorded 247,000 offences, France
210,000 and Germany 133,000.

The figures for robbery, which surged in Britain around the turn of the
Millennium, showed about 127,000 offences in 2001.

This was surpassed only by France, with a total of 134,000. Both
countries were ahead of Spain (104,000) and substantially ahead of
Germany (57,000) and Italy (66,000).

Overall, in 2001 nearly 6.1 million crimes were recorded in the UK. Only
Germany had a higher total (6.3 million).

Hazel Blears, the Home Office minister for crime reduction and policing,
said: "This report shows the picture in 2001.

"Since then we have cut crime further and dramatically increased the
number of police on our streets."

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

Vito said:

But fish, it is illegal for the mentally imbalanced to have
guns in the USA,

And you "think" that mentally ill folks and
violent criminals always obey the law, eh?
Amusing....

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In September and October 2003, McClellan said he had spoken
directly with Rove about the matter and that "he was not
involved" in leaking Plame's identity to the news media.
McClellan said at the time: "The president knows that Karl
Rove wasn't involved," "It was a ridiculous suggestion"
and "It's not true."
Yet another in the endless stirng of bu$h's lies.

"We argued, as did the security services in this country,
that the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq would increase the
threat of terrorist attack in Britain. Tragically Londoners
have now paid the price of the Government ignoring such
warnings." Respect MP George Galloway 7-7-05

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

"Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
-Albert Nurick, a usenet kook and blatant liar, on the rape,
torture and murder at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
-- George W. Bush

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
-- Adolf [censored]

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

In article <[email hidden]>,

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Fish! - of Arcadia. said:

So unless there's some global shift in the way people fundamentally
think removing guns will not increase the amount of stabbing deaths,
otherwise all the countries WITH gun control laws would have see a
massive upswing in stabbings.

Perhaps consider doing some research prior to running your pie hole. For
example:

"The authors of an editorial in the latest issue of the British Medical
Journal have called for knife reform.

[snip]

Quoted message said:

The researchers noted that the rate of violent crime in Britain rose
nearly 18 percent from 2003 to 2004, and that in the first two weeks of
2005, 15 killings and 16 nonfatal attacks involved stabbings.

[snip]

So... knifings are up since the law-abiding citizenry was disarmed?
Imagine that.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

But this is all just [censored] in the wind to you gun freaks.

"gun freaks" prefer logic and data, people like yourself prefer emotions
and putting head in sand. For example:

"Gun crimes during the first 10 months of the annual period have tripled
in most of the urban areas which have so far submitted statistics to the
Home Office. [Sir John Stevens, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner]
said: "The price of hiring or buying a gun has come down because there
are more guns circulating." Handgun crime has soared past levels last
seen before the Dunblane massacre of 1996 and the ban on the weapons
that followed. The ban on ownership of handguns was introduced in 1997.
It was hoped that the measure would reduce the number of handguns
available to criminals. According to internal Home Office statistics,
however, handgun crime is now at its highest since 1993."

So the moral of the story is perhaps that unilateral disarmament
doesn't work well?

All this brings to mind the so-called "happy slapping" craze that's
sweeping the U.K. atm. (Did you know there's been at least two
deaths associated with the stunt?) There was another short news
story on it on the radio a couple days ago, and the thought that
immediately occurred was "Like to see 'em try that in downtown
Dallas." 😉

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