Re: Al Those Great Scientists Here

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

If you and Asher reduce my standard of living so much that I have to
live in a cave with you, I am going to have to break your legs with a
stick instead of a bike.

I don't think you have to worry about that. You'll be in the concentration
camp pedaling a stationary bicycle to generate the electricity required to
run the supercomputers modeling climate.

Leave the keys to your beamer where they can find them.

--
Bill Asher

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

Quoted message said:

If you and Asher reduce my standard of living so much that I have to
live in a cave with you, I am going to have to break your legs with a
stick instead of a bike.

William Asher said:

I don't think you have to worry about that. You'll be in the
concentration camp pedaling a stationary bicycle to generate the
electricity required to run the supercomputers modeling climate.

Oy, whats going to happen to the rest of our afternoon training rides.

In article <[email hidden]>,

William Asher said:

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

If you and Asher reduce my standard of living so much that I have to
live in a cave with you, I am going to have to break your legs with a
stick instead of a bike.

I don't think you have to worry about that. You'll be in the concentration
camp pedaling a stationary bicycle to generate the electricity required to
run the supercomputers modeling climate.

Hunh! What? Did somebody mention supermodels climbing computers?

--
Michael Press

William Asher said:

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

If you and Asher reduce my standard of living so much that I have to
live in a cave with you, I am going to have to break your legs with a
stick instead of a bike.

I don't think you have to worry about that.  You'll be in the concentration
camp pedaling a stationary bicycle to generate the electricity required to
run the supercomputers modeling climate.

laughs...
I knew when you talked about "sacrifices that must be made," you meant
me, not you. You don't work for the Bush Admin, do you?

Quoted message said:

Leave the keys to your beamer where they can find them.

Dude, my car has a 1.0L engine, and get's 40-50 mpg, if it first
manages to get out of its own way.

As a cheap [censored], I've always driven "economy cars." That is how I
can afford you.

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

On May 8, 11:31 am, William Asher <[email hidden]> wrote:

I knew when you talked about "sacrifices that must be made," you meant
me, not you. You don't work for the Bush Admin, do you?

Quoted message said:

Leave the keys to your beamer where they can find them.

Dude, my car has a 1.0L engine, and get's 40-50 mpg, if it first
manages to get out of its own way.

As a cheap [censored], I've always driven "economy cars." That is how I
can afford you.

Hey, you can't beat the ride of Italian steel:
http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/fiat500canada/members.htm

Ben
Can I get a bike rack to fit
http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/fiat500canada/italy.jpg ?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted post said:

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

On May 8, 11:31 am, William Asher <[email hidden]> wrote:

I knew when you talked about "sacrifices that must be made," you meant
me, not you. You don't work for the Bush Admin, do you?

Quoted message said:

Leave the keys to your beamer where they can find them.

Dude, my car has a 1.0L engine, and get's 40-50 mpg, if it first
manages to get out of its own way.

As a cheap [censored], I've always driven "economy cars." That is how I
can afford you.

Hey, you can't beat the ride of Italian steel:
http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/fiat500canada/members.htm

There's a new version (circa '07) of the 500 that's done kind of along the lines
of the Mini. It's supposed to share a platform with a new Ford called the Ka, which I
think is a rather unfortunate choice of name, since many will simply call it the KaKa.

I see a 500 on one of my rides that has a Mona Lisa painted on the hood.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Howard Kveck said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Quoted post said:

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

On May 8, 11:31 am, William Asher <[email hidden]> wrote:

I knew when you talked about "sacrifices that must be made," you meant
me, not you. You don't work for the Bush Admin, do you?

> Leave the keys to your beamer where they can find them.

Dude, my car has a 1.0L engine, and get's 40-50 mpg, if it first
manages to get out of its own way.

As a cheap [censored], I've always driven "economy cars." That is how I
can afford you.

Hey, you can't beat the ride of Italian steel:
http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/fiat500canada/members.htm

There's a new version (circa '07) of the 500 that's done kind of along the
lines
of the Mini. It's supposed to share a platform with a new Ford called the Ka,
which I
think is a rather unfortunate choice of name, since many will simply call it
the KaKa.

That's true as far as it goes, but in fact both the 500 and the new-gen
Ka are derived from the Fiat Panda platform, which in its current
iteration dates back to 2003.

The Panda itself is quite a credible small car; were I to pick a nice
runabout for tooling around Europe, a Panda 100hp would be near the top
of my list.

Quoted message said:

I see a 500 on one of my rides that has a Mona Lisa painted on the hood.

My wife would love to get an original 500. The new version is cute
enough, but not as good at being a car, from the reviews I've read. On
the ther hand, the Abarth version is intriguing.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

William Asher said:

SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you and Asher reduce my standard of living so much that I have to
live in a cave with you, I am going to have to break your legs with a
stick instead of a bike.

Quoted message said:

I don't think you have to worry about that. You'll be in the concentration
camp pedaling a stationary bicycle to generate the electricity required to
run the supercomputers modeling climate.

laughs...
I knew when you talked about "sacrifices that must be made," you meant
me, not you. You don't work for the Bush Admin, do you?

Quoted message said:

Leave the keys to your beamer where they can find them.

Dude, my car has a 1.0L engine, and get's 40-50 mpg, if it first
manages to get out of its own way.

As a cheap [censored], I've always driven "economy cars." That is how I
can afford you.

You get points for being a "cheap [censored]". Conserving is actually
conservative. Funny how "conservative" now means "wasteful".
-Paul

In article <rcousine-B2558B.00324513052008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>,

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Howard Kveck said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Quoted post said:

On May 10, 5:16 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <[email hidden]> wrote:
> On May 8, 11:31 am, William Asher <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> I knew when you talked about "sacrifices that must be made," you meant
> me, not you. You don't work for the Bush Admin, do you?
>
> > Leave the keys to your beamer where they can find them.
>
> Dude, my car has a 1.0L engine, and get's 40-50 mpg, if it first
> manages to get out of its own way.
>
> As a cheap [censored], I've always driven "economy cars." That is how I
> can afford you.

Hey, you can't beat the ride of Italian steel:
http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/fiat500canada/members.htm

There's a new version (circa '07) of the 500 that's done kind of along
the lines of the Mini. It's supposed to share a platform with a new Ford called
the Ka, which I think is a rather unfortunate choice of name, since many will
simply call it the KaKa.

That's true as far as it goes, but in fact both the 500 and the new-gen
Ka are derived from the Fiat Panda platform, which in its current
iteration dates back to 2003.

The Panda itself is quite a credible small car; were I to pick a nice
runabout for tooling around Europe, a Panda 100hp would be near the top
of my list.

Quoted message said:

I see a 500 on one of my rides that has a Mona Lisa painted on the hood.

My wife would love to get an original 500. The new version is cute
enough, but not as good at being a car, from the reviews I've read. On
the other hand, the Abarth version is intriguing.

Abarth does some pretty cool stuff with Fiats. I had a '67 Abarth 850 coupe a long
time ago. Unfortunately, it had lived within sight of the ocean over in Santa Cruz
and was a bucket of rust because of it.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

On May 12, 10:02 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

On May 8, 11:31 am, William Asher <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

I knew when you talked about "sacrifices that must be made," you meant
me, not you.  You don't work for the Bush Admin, do you?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Leave the keys to your beamer where they can find them.

Quoted message said:

Dude, my car has a 1.0L engine, and get's 40-50 mpg, if it first
manages to get out of its own way.

Quoted message said:

As a cheap [censored], I've always driven "economy cars."  That is how I
can afford you.

Hey, you can't beat the ride of Italian steel:
http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/fiat500canada/members.htm

I don't know why Daihatsu doesn't import anymore. Maybe the goofball
safety regs in the US drove off another tiny car maker, but fuel
prices were low. I wish I could get this one as it gets 49 mpg and is
a basic car:

http://www.daihatsu.com/catalogue/cuore/index.html
http://www.daihatsu.com/catalogue/cuore/pdf/file1.pdf

Quoted message said:

Ben
Can I get a bike rack to fit:
http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/fiat500canada/italy.jpg ?

That ain't nuttin. Check this:

http://www.daihatsu.co.jp/motorshow2007/main_en.htm

When you get past the intro (skip), click on the Mud Master-C
doohicky. Then click on the movie. WARNING: THERE IS BIKE RELATED
CONTENT (RAITA SUZUKI)!

The HSC concept car suggests 78mpg (for a _gas_ motor).

----
Anywho, more small diesel cars should be available in CA by 2009/2010,
as the NOx thing gets ironed out. They'll be doing 50-70 mpg without
too much trouble. I don't like hybrids too much as they are too
complicated. I don't think they are worth the trouble and cost.

That asswipe Ralph Nader scared the [censored] out of everyone in the US
about "highway safety," so that combined with low fuel prices lowered
demand for small cars in the US. That might change.

In article
<[email hidden]>,

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

On May 12, 10:02 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

On May 8, 11:31 am, William Asher <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Dude, my car has a 1.0L engine, and get's 40-50 mpg, if it first
manages to get out of its own way.

Since I don't use my car to commute, and since their prices are in the
toilet, I keep whining to my wife that we should get an early-90s Lexus
LS400 (4-litre V8).

Quoted message said:

I don't know why Daihatsu doesn't import anymore. Maybe the goofball
safety regs in the US drove off another tiny car maker, but fuel
prices were low. I wish I could get this one as it gets 49 mpg and is
a basic car:

http://www.daihatsu.com/catalogue/cuore/index.html
http://www.daihatsu.com/catalogue/cuore/pdf/file1.pdf

Daihatsu is half-owned by Toyota, and they presumably see the Yaris as
getting as close to the Charade as anyone would want on this continent.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Ben
Can I get a bike rack to fit:
http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/fiat500canada/italy.jpg ?

That ain't nuttin. Check this:

http://www.daihatsu.co.jp/motorshow2007/main_en.htm

When you get past the intro (skip), click on the Mud Master-C
doohicky. Then click on the movie. WARNING: THERE IS BIKE RELATED
CONTENT (RAITA SUZUKI)!

I watched that video with lust in my heart.

Thanks to Canada's liberal importation rules for cars older than 15
years, we're starting to see some very interesting kei-cars and other
weird JDM stuff on the roads locally. I gather the shipping costs are
about the same as the initial purchase costs in Japan.

These guys are in Vancouver:

http://japanoid.com/

I am also lusting after the Nissan Figaro, which is stupidly cute, and
the Microbus-conversion Suzuki Every:

http://www.usedvancouver.com/classified-ad/4002217

I've seen that actual van in person, and it really does look like a
scale model VW Microbus.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

Ryan Cousineau schreef:

Quoted message said:

I keep whining to my wife that we should get an early-90s Lexus
LS400 (4-litre V8).

http://www.google.com/search?q=wheeler+dealers+lexus+ls400

Quoted message said:

That asswipe Ralph Nader scared the [censored] out of everyone in the US
about "highway safety," so that combined with low fuel prices lowered
demand for small cars in the US. That might change.

Don't hold your breath. Seeking to significantly reduce the size of US
cars (SUVs) is similar to implementing more gun controls. The good of
the majority is secondary to individual freedoms. It's a "nobody wants
to drive around in a smart car until everyone else is driving around in
a smart car" mentality.

Phil H

In article <[email hidden]>,

Phil Holman' piholmanc@yourservice said:

Quoted message said:

That asswipe Ralph Nader scared the [censored] out of everyone in the US
about "highway safety," so that combined with low fuel prices lowered
demand for small cars in the US. That might change.

Don't hold your breath. Seeking to significantly reduce the size of US
cars (SUVs) is similar to implementing more gun controls. The good of
the majority is secondary to individual freedoms. It's a "nobody wants
to drive around in a smart car until everyone else is driving around in
a smart car" mentality.

I want to drive around in a Smartcar now.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

On Fri, 16 May 2008 16:49:35 -0700, "Phil Holman"

piholmanc@yourservice said:

Quoted message said:

That asswipe Ralph Nader scared the [censored] out of everyone in the US
about "highway safety," so that combined with low fuel prices lowered
demand for small cars in the US. That might change.

Don't hold your breath. Seeking to significantly reduce the size of US
cars (SUVs) is similar to implementing more gun controls. The good of
the majority is secondary to individual freedoms. It's a "nobody wants
to drive around in a smart car until everyone else is driving around in
a smart car" mentality.

Phil H

SUV sales in the US have been dropping since 2005 and this trend is
likely to continue. Unfortunately, one of the things that could
prolong the SUV is that in an economic slowdown, some people cant
afford to buy a new car.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Phil Holman' piholmanc@yourservice said:

Quoted message said:

That asswipe Ralph Nader scared the [censored] out of everyone in the US
about "highway safety," so that combined with low fuel prices lowered
demand for small cars in the US. That might change.

Don't hold your breath. Seeking to significantly reduce the size of US
cars (SUVs) is similar to implementing more gun controls. The good of
the majority is secondary to individual freedoms. It's a "nobody wants
to drive around in a smart car until everyone else is driving around in
a smart car" mentality.

I want to drive around in a Smartcar now.

Don't do it! It's not worth it!

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

"Jack Hollis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

On Fri, 16 May 2008 16:49:35 -0700, "Phil Holman"

piholmanc@yourservice said:

Quoted message said:

That asswipe Ralph Nader scared the [censored] out of everyone in the US
about "highway safety," so that combined with low fuel prices lowered
demand for small cars in the US. That might change.

Don't hold your breath. Seeking to significantly reduce the size of US
cars (SUVs) is similar to implementing more gun controls. The good of
the majority is secondary to individual freedoms. It's a "nobody wants
to drive around in a smart car until everyone else is driving around
in
a smart car" mentality.

Phil H

SUV sales in the US have been dropping since 2005 and this trend is
likely to continue. Unfortunately, one of the things that could
prolong the SUV is that in an economic slowdown, some people cant
afford to buy a new car.

Interesting, I wonder what the average weight statistic looks like.

Phil H

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Phil Holman' piholmanc@yourservice said:

Quoted message said:

That asswipe Ralph Nader scared the [censored] out of everyone in the US
about "highway safety," so that combined with low fuel prices lowered
demand for small cars in the US.  That might change.

Quoted message said:

Don't hold your breath. Seeking to significantly reduce the size of US
cars (SUVs) is similar to implementing more gun controls. The good of
the majority is secondary to individual freedoms. It's a "nobody wants
to drive around in a smart car until everyone else is driving around in
a smart car" mentality.

I want to drive around in a Smartcar now.

My wife wants one. She doesn't own a car now and gets around on a 50cc
scooter, bikes and buses, so a Smartcar would be an upgrade for her.
She only really needs a car for when it snows (I drive her to work
then) and I'm not sure the Smartcar makes sense for that. If Honda
make a hybrid version of the Fit or something similar, we'll be all
over it.

Bret

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bret said:

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Phil Holman' piholmanc@yourservice said:

>That asswipe Ralph Nader scared the [censored] out of everyone in the US
>about "highway safety," so that combined with low fuel prices lowered
>demand for small cars in the US.  That might change.

Quoted message said:

Don't hold your breath. Seeking to significantly reduce the size of US
cars (SUVs) is similar to implementing more gun controls. The good of
the majority is secondary to individual freedoms. It's a "nobody wants
to drive around in a smart car until everyone else is driving around in
a smart car" mentality.

I want to drive around in a Smartcar now.

My wife wants one. She doesn't own a car now and gets around on a 50cc
scooter, bikes and buses, so a Smartcar would be an upgrade for her.
She only really needs a car for when it snows (I drive her to work
then) and I'm not sure the Smartcar makes sense for that. If Honda
make a hybrid version of the Fit or something similar, we'll be all
over it.

The Smartcar site has a FAQ that includes the snow question. It makes it sound
like they'd do fine in snowy conditions.

http://www.smartusa.com/smart-car-faq.aspx

Getting around on a scooter can be entertaining.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?