Re: AHA on margarine

TC said:

Enrico C said:

I don't understand why on earth the American Heart Association web site
recommends:

"Use margarine as a substitute for butter...".

even if

"In clinical studies, trans fatty acids or hydrogenated fats tend to raise
total blood cholesterol levels and LDL ("bad"😉 cholesterol and lower HDL
("good"😉 cholesterol when used instead of cis fatty acids or natural oils.
These changes may increase the risk of heart disease."

Why don't they just recommend olive oil instead of butter (in most cases)?

Simple answer to your simple and very valid question. Follow the money.

The AHA isn't entirely up front on their website about who their
corporate sponsors are but if you look at their annual report at:

http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=606

you will find a list of their donors. Here are the $1,000,000 and above
donors:

--------
$1,000,000 and above
ACH Food Company - Tennessee *
Archer Daniels Midland Company - Illinois *
Astra Zeneca - Delaware *
Averitt Express Charities - Tennessee *
Bayer Corporation - New Jersey *
BlueCross of California - California*
Bristol-Myers Squibb Company
- New Jersey *
Henrietta B. and Frederick H. Bugher
Foundation - New York *
Clarkson Potter/Publishers, a division
of Random House, Inc. - New York
Federated Department Stores (Macy's)
- Ohio *
Genentech, Inc. - California*
GlaxoSmithKline, - Pennsylvania *
Guidant Foundation - Indiana *
Harriett and Robert Heilbrunn - New York *
J. Willard and Alice S. Marriott Foundation
- Washington, DC *
Merck & Company, Inc. - Pennsylvania *
Novartis Pharmaceuticals Corp.
- New Jersey *
Esther B. O'Keeffe Foundation - Florida *
PacifiCare Foundation - California *
Pfizer Inc. - New York *
Sanofi-Synthelabo - New York *
Schering-Plough Corporation
- New Jersey *
Strouds - California *
Subway Advertising Trust Fund - Connecticut *
Takeda Pharmaceuticals - Illinois *
Walgreen Co. - Illinois
Women's Board of the Greater Washington Area
- Washington, DC *
$500,000 - 999,999
Anonymous - New Jersey *
California Walnut Commission - California
The Irene D. Collia Trust in the New York
Community Trust *
ConAgra - Nebraska *
Cordis Corporation *
Guidant Corporation - Indiana *
Johnson & Johnson - New Jersey *
F. M. Kirby Foundation - New Jersey *
Kos Pharmaceuticals, Inc. - Florida *
Mercedes Benz-USA LLC - New Jersey
Omron Healthcare, Inc. - Illinois *
The E. M. Pearson Foundation
- Minnesota*
Quantum Foundation - Florida *
Reebok - Massachusetts
Ross Stores, Inc. - California
Safeway Stores, Inc. - California
United Way of San Antonio &
Bexar County - Texas *
Mr. and Mrs. E. Carlton Wilton Jr.
- Virginia *

-------

Here is a site run by the National Association of Margarine
Manufacturers:

http://www.margarine.org/healthyresources.html

ConAgra is a major margarine producer and a million-dollar-a-year-plus
sponsor of the AHA. ConAgra owns the Parkay brand of margarine.

-------

Johnson & Johnson and Unilever have partnered in the margarine
business. Johnson & Johnson is a million-dollar-a-year-plus sponsor of
the AHA.

http://www.retailmerchandising.net/candy/SpecialSection/margarine.htm

-------

Archer Daniels Midland is a major sponsor of the AHA and is a major
supplier of various [censored] that is added to margarine and produces
margarine itself

They are also a million-dollar-a-year-plus sponsor of the AHA.

http://www.gredf.org/news/news7k.html

ADM ANNOUNCES CONSTRUCTION OF NEW MARGARINE FACILITY

December 16, 2002

Archer Daniels Midland Company announced today that it will construct a
new margarine and interesterification plant in Quincy, Illinois to
produce margarine products for institutional and food service
customers.

The 106,000 square foot facility will be located adjacent to the
existing ADM refinery and packaging plant. Construction is scheduled to
be completed by the summer of 2004. This facility will continue ADM's
vertical integration into value-added products to better serve its
ever-growing global packaged and specialty oil customers.

Archer Daniels Midland Company (ADM) is a world leader in agricultural
processing. The Company is one of the world's largest processors of
soybeans, corn, wheat and cocoa. ADM is also a leader in soy meal and
oil, ethanol, high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) and flour. In addition,
ADM is building a position in such value-added products as specialty
food ingredients, bioproducts and nutraceuticals (such as Vitamin E and
sterols). Headquartered in Decatur, Illinois, ADM has over 24,000
employees, more than 260 processing plants and net sales for the fiscal
year ended June 30, 2002 of $22.6 billion. Additional information can
be found on ADM's Web site at http://www.admworld.com.

--------

ACH Food Company is a supplier of oils and other products including
[censored] that is added to margarine:

http://www.achfood.com/commercial_ingredients.html

"The breadth of our product line is unmatched in the industry. It
includes the full spectrum of shortenings and oils for bakery, snacks,
dressings, sauces, margarines, coatings, non-dairy substitutes,
nutritional oil blends, frying and par-frying applications and an
extensive line of specialty powders ranging from cheese powders and
sweeteners to flavor enhancers"

They are also a million-dollar-a-year-plus sponsor of the AHA

-------

And note that the American Stroke Association is A Division of the
American Heart Association.

---------
American Heart Association
1-888-AHA-USA1
www.americanheart.org

American Stroke Association
A Division of the American Heart Association
1-888-4-STROKE (1-888-478-7653)
For more information on life after stroke,
ask for the stroke family "Warmline"
www.StrokeAssociation.org
-------------

This is just scratching the surface. Barely a few minutes of simple
googling. I can't imagine what we would find if we had serious and
capable investigators dig into the real dirt behind this organization
(the AHA).

TC

Corrections:

Johnson & Johnson and Unilever are not partnering but are competing by
selling similar margarines that contain something that is supposed to
reduce cholesterol more than regular margarines.

ConAgra and Johnson & Johnson have sponsored the AHA only to the tune
of something below $999,999 and above $500,000 a year and not
million-dollars-a-year-plus as I stated above.

TC

TC said:

TC said:

Enrico C said:

I don't understand why on earth the American Heart Association web site
recommends:

"Use margarine as a substitute for butter...".

even if

"In clinical studies, trans fatty acids or hydrogenated fats tend to raise
total blood cholesterol levels and LDL ("bad"😉 cholesterol and lower HDL
("good"😉 cholesterol when used instead of cis fatty acids or natural oils.
These changes may increase the risk of heart disease."

Why don't they just recommend olive oil instead of butter (in most cases)?

Simple answer to your simple and very valid question. Follow the money.

The AHA isn't entirely up front on their website about who their
corporate sponsors are but if you look at their annual report at:

http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=606

you will find a list of their donors. Here are the $1,000,000 and above
donors:

--------
$1,000,000 and above
ACH Food Company - Tennessee *
Archer Daniels Midland Company - Illinois *
Astra Zeneca - Delaware *
Averitt Express Charities - Tennessee *
Bayer Corporation - New Jersey *
BlueCross of California - California*
Bristol-Myers Squibb Company
- New Jersey *
Henrietta B. and Frederick H. Bugher
Foundation - New York *
Clarkson Potter/Publishers, a division
of Random House, Inc. - New York
Federated Department Stores (Macy's)
- Ohio *
Genentech, Inc. - California*
GlaxoSmithKline, - Pennsylvania *
Guidant Foundation - Indiana *
Harriett and Robert Heilbrunn - New York *
J. Willard and Alice S. Marriott Foundation
- Washington, DC *
Merck & Company, Inc. - Pennsylvania *
Novartis Pharmaceuticals Corp.
- New Jersey *
Esther B. O'Keeffe Foundation - Florida *
PacifiCare Foundation - California *
Pfizer Inc. - New York *
Sanofi-Synthelabo - New York *
Schering-Plough Corporation
- New Jersey *
Strouds - California *
Subway Advertising Trust Fund - Connecticut *
Takeda Pharmaceuticals - Illinois *
Walgreen Co. - Illinois
Women's Board of the Greater Washington Area
- Washington, DC *
$500,000 - 999,999
Anonymous - New Jersey *
California Walnut Commission - California
The Irene D. Collia Trust in the New York
Community Trust *
ConAgra - Nebraska *
Cordis Corporation *
Guidant Corporation - Indiana *
Johnson & Johnson - New Jersey *
F. M. Kirby Foundation - New Jersey *
Kos Pharmaceuticals, Inc. - Florida *
Mercedes Benz-USA LLC - New Jersey
Omron Healthcare, Inc. - Illinois *
The E. M. Pearson Foundation
- Minnesota*
Quantum Foundation - Florida *
Reebok - Massachusetts
Ross Stores, Inc. - California
Safeway Stores, Inc. - California
United Way of San Antonio &
Bexar County - Texas *
Mr. and Mrs. E. Carlton Wilton Jr.
- Virginia *

-------

Here is a site run by the National Association of Margarine
Manufacturers:

http://www.margarine.org/healthyresources.html

ConAgra is a major margarine producer and a million-dollar-a-year-plus
sponsor of the AHA. ConAgra owns the Parkay brand of margarine.

-------

Johnson & Johnson and Unilever have partnered in the margarine
business. Johnson & Johnson is a million-dollar-a-year-plus sponsor of
the AHA.

http://www.retailmerchandising.net/candy/SpecialSection/margarine.htm

-------

Archer Daniels Midland is a major sponsor of the AHA and is a major
supplier of various [censored] that is added to margarine and produces
margarine itself

They are also a million-dollar-a-year-plus sponsor of the AHA.

http://www.gredf.org/news/news7k.html

ADM ANNOUNCES CONSTRUCTION OF NEW MARGARINE FACILITY

December 16, 2002

Archer Daniels Midland Company announced today that it will construct a
new margarine and interesterification plant in Quincy, Illinois to
produce margarine products for institutional and food service
customers.

The 106,000 square foot facility will be located adjacent to the
existing ADM refinery and packaging plant. Construction is scheduled to
be completed by the summer of 2004. This facility will continue ADM's
vertical integration into value-added products to better serve its
ever-growing global packaged and specialty oil customers.

Archer Daniels Midland Company (ADM) is a world leader in agricultural
processing. The Company is one of the world's largest processors of
soybeans, corn, wheat and cocoa. ADM is also a leader in soy meal and
oil, ethanol, high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) and flour. In addition,
ADM is building a position in such value-added products as specialty
food ingredients, bioproducts and nutraceuticals (such as Vitamin E and
sterols). Headquartered in Decatur, Illinois, ADM has over 24,000
employees, more than 260 processing plants and net sales for the fiscal
year ended June 30, 2002 of $22.6 billion. Additional information can
be found on ADM's Web site at http://www.admworld.com.

--------

ACH Food Company is a supplier of oils and other products including
[censored] that is added to margarine:

http://www.achfood.com/commercial_ingredients.html

"The breadth of our product line is unmatched in the industry. It
includes the full spectrum of shortenings and oils for bakery, snacks,
dressings, sauces, margarines, coatings, non-dairy substitutes,
nutritional oil blends, frying and par-frying applications and an
extensive line of specialty powders ranging from cheese powders and
sweeteners to flavor enhancers"

They are also a million-dollar-a-year-plus sponsor of the AHA

-------

And note that the American Stroke Association is A Division of the
American Heart Association.

---------
American Heart Association
1-888-AHA-USA1
www.americanheart.org

American Stroke Association
A Division of the American Heart Association
1-888-4-STROKE (1-888-478-7653)
For more information on life after stroke,
ask for the stroke family "Warmline"
www.StrokeAssociation.org
-------------

This is just scratching the surface. Barely a few minutes of simple
googling. I can't imagine what we would find if we had serious and
capable investigators dig into the real dirt behind this organization
(the AHA).

TC

Corrections:

Johnson & Johnson and Unilever are not partnering but are competing by
selling similar margarines that contain something that is supposed to
reduce cholesterol more than regular margarines.

ConAgra and Johnson & Johnson have sponsored the AHA only to the tune
of something below $999,999 and above $500,000 a year and not
million-dollars-a-year-plus as I stated above.

TC

One more correction. It is not million dollars per year, just more than
one millin dollars lifetime.

But they do not specify how much more than 1 million dollars they
donated. For all we know it could be in the tens of millions or
possibly more.

TC

"TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in part:

Quoted message said:

Enrico C said:

I don't understand why on earth the American Heart Association web site
recommends:

"Use margarine as a substitute for butter...".

even if

"In clinical studies, trans fatty acids or hydrogenated fats tend to raise
total blood cholesterol levels and LDL ("bad"😉 cholesterol and lower HDL
("good"😉 cholesterol when used instead of cis fatty acids or natural oils.
These changes may increase the risk of heart disease."

Why don't they just recommend olive oil instead of butter (in most cases)?

Simple answer to your simple and very valid question. Follow the money.

A simpler answer is that the question contains a false premise.
Did ANYONE read the AHA statement?!

<snip>

Quoted message said:

This is just scratching the surface. Barely a few minutes of simple
googling. I can't imagine what we would find if we had serious and
capable investigators dig into the real dirt behind this organization
(the AHA).

"serious and capable investigators? This clearly would leave you
and most others here out. Can you even read?
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA [email hidden]

Jim Chinnis said:

"TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in part:

Quoted message said:

Enrico C said:

I don't understand why on earth the American Heart Association web site
recommends:

"Use margarine as a substitute for butter...".

even if

"In clinical studies, trans fatty acids or hydrogenated fats tend to raise
total blood cholesterol levels and LDL ("bad"😉 cholesterol and lower HDL
("good"😉 cholesterol when used instead of cis fatty acids or natural oils.
These changes may increase the risk of heart disease."

Why don't they just recommend olive oil instead of butter (in most cases)?

Simple answer to your simple and very valid question. Follow the money.

A simpler answer is that the question contains a false premise.
Did ANYONE read the AHA statement?!

<snip>

Quoted message said:

This is just scratching the surface. Barely a few minutes of simple
googling. I can't imagine what we would find if we had serious and
capable investigators dig into the real dirt behind this organization
(the AHA).

"serious and capable investigators? This clearly would leave you
and most others here out. Can you even read?
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA [email hidden]

Are you defending the AHA and their corporate sponsors? If so, why?

Do you not find that information somewhat damning for the AHA?

TC

Jim Chinnis said:

"TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in part:

Quoted message said:

Enrico C said:

I don't understand why on earth the American Heart Association web site
recommends:

"Use margarine as a substitute for butter...".

even if

"In clinical studies, trans fatty acids or hydrogenated fats tend to raise
total blood cholesterol levels and LDL ("bad"😉 cholesterol and lower HDL
("good"😉 cholesterol when used instead of cis fatty acids or natural oils.
These changes may increase the risk of heart disease."

Why don't they just recommend olive oil instead of butter (in most cases)?

Simple answer to your simple and very valid question. Follow the money.

A simpler answer is that the question contains a false premise.
Did ANYONE read the AHA statement?!

<snip>

Quoted message said:

This is just scratching the surface. Barely a few minutes of simple
googling. I can't imagine what we would find if we had serious and
capable investigators dig into the real dirt behind this organization
(the AHA).

"serious and capable investigators? This clearly would leave you
and most others here out. Can you even read?
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA [email hidden]

And how is it a false premise? The premise is that the AHA recommends
margarine over butter.

The AHA's recomendation:

- Use margarine as a substitute for butter, and choose soft (liquid or
tub) margarines over harder, stick forms. Use margarine with no more
than 2 grams of saturated fat per tablespoon and with liquid vegetable
oil as the first ingredient.

Can't be any clearer than that.

TC

TC wrote:
:: Jim Chinnis wrote:
::: "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in part:
:::: Enrico C wrote:

::::: I don't understand why on earth the American Heart Association
::::: web site recommends:
:::::
::::: "Use margarine as a substitute for butter...".
:::::
::::: even if
:::::
::::: "In clinical studies, trans fatty acids or hydrogenated fats tend
::::: to raise total blood cholesterol levels and LDL ("bad"😉
::::: cholesterol and lower HDL ("good"😉 cholesterol when used instead
::::: of cis fatty acids or natural oils. These changes may increase
::::: the risk of heart disease."
:::::
:::::
::::: Why don't they just recommend olive oil instead of butter (in
::::: most cases)?
::::
:::: Simple answer to your simple and very valid question. Follow the
:::: money.
:::
::: A simpler answer is that the question contains a false premise.
::: Did ANYONE read the AHA statement?!
:::
:::: This is just scratching the surface. Barely a few minutes of simple
:::: googling. I can't imagine what we would find if we had serious and
:::: capable investigators dig into the real dirt behind this
:::: organization (the AHA).
:::
::: "serious and capable investigators? This clearly would leave you
::: and most others here out. Can you even read?
:::
:: And how is it a false premise? The premise is that the AHA recommends
:: margarine over butter.
::
:: The AHA's recomendation:
::
:: - Use margarine as a substitute for butter, and choose soft (liquid
:: or tub) margarines over harder, stick forms. Use margarine with no
:: more than 2 grams of saturated fat per tablespoon and with liquid
:: vegetable oil as the first ingredient.
::
:: Can't be any clearer than that.

Look at the Lyon Heart Study and the benefits of alpha-linolenic acid
containing margarine (from rape seed oil).

--
Juhana

"TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in part:

Quoted message said:

Jim Chinnis said:

"TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in part:

Quoted message said:

Enrico C wrote:
> I don't understand why on earth the American Heart Association web site
> recommends:
>
> "Use margarine as a substitute for butter...".
>
> even if
>
> "In clinical studies, trans fatty acids or hydrogenated fats tend to raise
> total blood cholesterol levels and LDL ("bad"😉 cholesterol and lower HDL
> ("good"😉 cholesterol when used instead of cis fatty acids or natural oils.
> These changes may increase the risk of heart disease."
>
>
> Why don't they just recommend olive oil instead of butter (in most cases)?

Simple answer to your simple and very valid question. Follow the money.

A simpler answer is that the question contains a false premise.
Did ANYONE read the AHA statement?!

<snip>

Quoted message said:

This is just scratching the surface. Barely a few minutes of simple
googling. I can't imagine what we would find if we had serious and
capable investigators dig into the real dirt behind this organization
(the AHA).

"serious and capable investigators? This clearly would leave you
and most others here out. Can you even read?
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA [email hidden]

And how is it a false premise? The premise is that the AHA recommends
margarine over butter.

The AHA's recomendation:

- Use margarine as a substitute for butter, and choose soft (liquid or
tub) margarines over harder, stick forms. Use margarine with no more
than 2 grams of saturated fat per tablespoon and with liquid vegetable
oil as the first ingredient.

Can't be any clearer than that.

TC

Try reading this very post from beginning to end, very slowly.

Pause on the following part:

"Why don't they just recommend olive oil instead of butter (in
most cases)?"
(Your response🙂 "Simple answer to your simple and very valid
question. Follow the money."

Now, since the AHA says, "Use naturally occurring, unhydrogenated
oil such as canola or olive oil when possible," and you keep
leaving out that bit, there is a false premise in the question,
"Why don't they just recommend olive oil instead of butter (in
most cases)?" The simple answer is: THEY DO!
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA [email hidden]

On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 14:31:04 GMT, Jim Chinnis wrote in
<news:[email hidden]> on sci.med.nutrition :

[...]

Quoted message said:

"Why don't they just recommend olive oil instead of butter (in
most cases)?" The simple answer is: THEY DO!

Sorry Jim, they don't.

--
Enrico C

Enrico C <[email hidden]> wrote in part:

Quoted message said:

On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 14:31:04 GMT, Jim Chinnis wrote in
<news:[email hidden]> on sci.med.nutrition :

[...]

Quoted message said:

"Why don't they just recommend olive oil instead of butter (in
most cases)?" The simple answer is: THEY DO!

Sorry Jim, they don't.

It certainly depends on how it is read. And that means they did a
lousy job.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA [email hidden]