Re: Acetaminophen *vs* Ibuprofen

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Subject: Re: Acetaminophen *vs* Ibuprofen
From: El Doper Mean [email hidden]
Date: 9/9/2003 4:54 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Dave said:

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What is the difference between these two drugs for treatment of cold &

flu?

They are both equally toxic. What you need is echinacea or better still, if
you restore your immune system.

Dare I ask, from your immunology understanding, how does any herb/drug
"restore" your immune system. There ain't no such thing.

I hope yours never get wiped out. You find out.

Jan

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Quoted message said:

From: El Doper Mean [email hidden]
Dare I ask, from your immunology understanding, how does any herb/drug
"restore" your immune system. There ain't no such thing.

I hope yours never get wiped out. You find out.

You know, a few weeks ago someone asked you if you knew anyone who had AIDS
or was taking anti-rejection drugs after a transplant, and you very
emphatically answered "NO!" as if there was something scandalous about the
suggestion. The reason you were asked that question is that people with
AIDS and people taking anti-rejection drugs literally *do* have immune
systems that are almost completely "wiped out." The point was that none of
the people in Altland who claim to have "suppressed immune systems"
experience *any* of the problems that are seen in people who really *do*
have suppressed immune systems. And that includes you.

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[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in
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Quoted message said:

From: El Doper Mean [email hidden]
Dare I ask, from your immunology understanding, how does any herb/drug
"restore" your immune system. There ain't no such thing.

I hope yours never get wiped out. You find out.

You know, a few weeks ago someone asked you if you knew anyone who had

AIDS

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or was taking anti-rejection drugs after a transplant, and you very
emphatically answered "NO!" as if there was something scandalous about the
suggestion. The reason you were asked that question is that people with
AIDS and people taking anti-rejection drugs literally *do* have immune
systems that are almost completely "wiped out." The point was that none

of

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the people in Altland who claim to have "suppressed immune systems"
experience *any* of the problems that are seen in people who really *do*
have suppressed immune systems. And that includes you.

The point that you appear to not understand is that we all have impaired
immune systems.
You and every person you know is impacted. This is exactly like the law of
gravity. You can tell me that you don't believe that it exists, but that has
no power because it still affects you in exactly the same way that it
affects every person who does accept, believe and understand.

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Subject: Re: Acetaminophen *vs* Ibuprofen
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 9/9/2003 2:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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The point that you appear to not understand is that we all have impaired
immune systems.
You and every person you know is impacted.

Impacted immune systems?? ya mean like it needs a cleanse or coffee enema???

source for that statement please??

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This is exactly like the law of
gravity.

and HOW pray tell??

hawki

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They are both equally toxic. What you need is echinacea or better
still, if you restore your immune system.

Dare I ask, from your immunology understanding, how does any herb/drug
"restore" your immune system. There ain't no such thing.

Well there are drugs which stimulate CD4,8 cell counts...

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[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in
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>From: El Doper Mean [email hidden]
>Dare I ask, from your immunology understanding, how does any herb/drug
>"restore" your immune system. There ain't no such thing.

I hope yours never get wiped out. You find out.

You know, a few weeks ago someone asked you if you knew anyone who had

AIDS

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or was taking anti-rejection drugs after a transplant, and you very
emphatically answered "NO!" as if there was something scandalous about

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

suggestion. The reason you were asked that question is that people with
AIDS and people taking anti-rejection drugs literally *do* have immune
systems that are almost completely "wiped out." The point was that none

of

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the people in Altland who claim to have "suppressed immune systems"
experience *any* of the problems that are seen in people who really *do*
have suppressed immune systems. And that includes you.

The point that you appear to not understand is that we all have impaired
immune systems.

Hogwash. My immune system is just fine. I just got rid of a late summer cold
in 7 days, or was that a week?

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You and every person you know is impacted.

We are talking about the immune system and you bring up the lower digestive
tract.

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This is exactly like the law of
gravity.

You mean, "Whatever goes up must come down?" Tell that to Pioneer 10.

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You can tell me that you don't believe that it exists,

Gravity exists, and, when String Theory is fully developed and understood,
we will fully understand it. Einstein had a good start. You are no Einstein.

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but that has
no power because it still affects you in exactly the same way that it
affects every person who does accept, believe and understand.

Wrong. Gravity affects everyone differently, unless they weigh the exact
same amount and stand in the exact same place.

(Hawki63) said:

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Subject: Re: Acetaminophen *vs* Ibuprofen
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 9/9/2003 2:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

The point that you appear to not understand is that we all have impaired
immune systems.
You and every person you know is impacted.

Impacted immune systems?? ya mean like it needs a cleanse or coffee enema???

source for that statement please??

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This is exactly like the law of
gravity.

and HOW pray tell??

Gravity is a distortion in space and time. Dave's thinking is a
distortion in logic and truth.

--
Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

In article <[email hidden]>,

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[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

>From: El Doper Mean [email hidden]
>Dare I ask, from your immunology understanding, how does any herb/drug
>"restore" your immune system. There ain't no such thing.

I hope yours never get wiped out. You find out.

You know, a few weeks ago someone asked you if you knew anyone who had

AIDS

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or was taking anti-rejection drugs after a transplant, and you very
emphatically answered "NO!" as if there was something scandalous about the
suggestion. The reason you were asked that question is that people with
AIDS and people taking anti-rejection drugs literally *do* have immune
systems that are almost completely "wiped out." The point was that none

of

Quoted message said:

the people in Altland who claim to have "suppressed immune systems"
experience *any* of the problems that are seen in people who really *do*
have suppressed immune systems. And that includes you.

The point that you appear to not understand is that we all have impaired
immune systems.

Really? All of us? Each and every one? Are you saying that the normal
state of our immune system is to be "impaired"?

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You and every person you know is impacted. This is exactly like the law of
gravity. You can tell me that you don't believe that it exists, but that has
no power because it still affects you in exactly the same way that it
affects every person who does accept, believe and understand.

Actually, that's what I tell alties frequently, particularly homeopaths:
Just because you don't believe in the laws of physics and chemistry that
rule how your body works doesn't mean that those laws don't in fact
control how your body responds to insult just as much as it does anyone
else's. It also means that therapies based on a demonstrably incorrect
understanding of these laws is doomed to failure.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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Subject: Re: Acetaminophen *vs* Ibuprofen
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 9/9/2003 2:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

The point that you appear to not understand is that we all have impaired
immune systems.
You and every person you know is impacted.

Impacted immune systems?? ya mean like it needs a cleanse or coffee

enema???

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source for that statement please??

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This is exactly like the law of
gravity.

and HOW pray tell??

Oh no! You don't understand that either!

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[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in
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>>From: El Doper Mean [email hidden]
>>Dare I ask, from your immunology understanding, how does any

herb/drug

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>"restore" your immune system. There ain't no such thing.
>
> I hope yours never get wiped out. You find out.

You know, a few weeks ago someone asked you if you knew anyone who had

AIDS

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or was taking anti-rejection drugs after a transplant, and you very
emphatically answered "NO!" as if there was something scandalous about

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

suggestion. The reason you were asked that question is that people

with

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

AIDS and people taking anti-rejection drugs literally *do* have immune
systems that are almost completely "wiped out." The point was that

none

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Quoted message said:

of

Quoted message said:

the people in Altland who claim to have "suppressed immune systems"
experience *any* of the problems that are seen in people who really

*do*

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

have suppressed immune systems. And that includes you.

The point that you appear to not understand is that we all have impaired
immune systems.

Hogwash. My immune system is just fine. I just got rid of a late summer

cold

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in 7 days, or was that a week?

Quoted message said:

You and every person you know is impacted.

We are talking about the immune system and you bring up the lower

digestive

Quoted message said:

tract.

Quoted message said:

This is exactly like the law of
gravity.

You mean, "Whatever goes up must come down?" Tell that to Pioneer 10.

Quoted message said:

You can tell me that you don't believe that it exists,

Gravity exists, and, when String Theory is fully developed and understood,
we will fully understand it. Einstein had a good start. You are no

Einstein.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

but that has
no power because it still affects you in exactly the same way that it
affects every person who does accept, believe and understand.

Wrong. Gravity affects everyone differently, unless they weigh the exact
same amount and stand in the exact same place.

And the genius (comic) emerges. Another basc point lost.

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Subject: Re: Acetaminophen *vs* Ibuprofen
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 9/9/2003 6:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Acetaminophen *vs* Ibuprofen
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 9/9/2003 6:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

This is exactly like the law of

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gravity.

and HOW pray tell??

Oh no! You don't understand that either!

jerkoff...you brought it up...now explain the correlation...cuz there aint none

isn't preschool back yet??

hawki

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Subject: Re: Acetaminophen *vs* Ibuprofen
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 9/9/2003 6:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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And the genius (comic) emerges. Another basc point lost.

fine...explain it

btw it is spelled basic

hawki

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Subject: Re: Acetaminophen *vs* Ibuprofen
From: Eric Bohlman [email hidden]
Date: 9/9/2003 11:53 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

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Quoted message said:

From: El Doper Mean [email hidden]
Dare I ask, from your immunology understanding, how does any herb/drug
"restore" your immune system. There ain't no such thing.

I hope yours never get wiped out. You find out.

You know, a few weeks ago someone asked you if you knew anyone who had AIDS
or was taking anti-rejection drugs after a transplant, and you very
emphatically answered "NO!" as if there was something scandalous about the
suggestion.

Your interpretation. And wrong.

Quoted message said:

The reason you were asked that question is that people with
AIDS and people taking anti-rejection drugs literally *do* have immune
systems that are almost completely "wiped out."

OK.
The point was that none of the people in Altland

<yawn>

who claim to have "suppressed immune systems"

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experience *any* of the problems that are seen in people who really *do*
have suppressed immune systems. And that includes you.

OH? And when exactly did you become my doctor??

No, I don't think so.

The tests I had at the Florida Institute of Health showed otherwise.

You sound a bit like Happy Dog, who several years ago, told me he knew my body
better than I did.

Typical arrogance, and I am surprised it is coming from you, that's a step
down, IHMO.

Jan

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Subject: Re: Acetaminophen *vs* Ibuprofen
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 9/9/2003 3:21 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

(Hawki63) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Acetaminophen *vs* Ibuprofen
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 9/9/2003 2:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

The point that you appear to not understand is that we all have impaired
immune systems.
You and every person you know is impacted.

Impacted immune systems?? ya mean like it needs a cleanse or coffee enema???

source for that statement please??

Quoted message said:

This is exactly like the law of
gravity.

and HOW pray tell??

Gravity is a distortion in space and time. Dave's thinking is a
distortion in logic and truth.

First we have a diagnosis from Eric, now Peter tells us how Dave thinks.

The debunker group has a continual control problem.

And just look who is mentioning the truth.

Lord have merccy.

Jan

I don't give a damn if Peter lied to you, this newsgroup, his mother, or

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the pope.

Rich Shewmaker Ka Ching

BilZ0r said:

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Quoted message said:

They are both equally toxic. What you need is echinacea or better
still, if you restore your immune system.

Dare I ask, from your immunology understanding, how does any herb/drug
"restore" your immune system. There ain't no such thing.

Well there are drugs which stimulate CD4,8 cell counts...

Well see, no. They don't. The only compounds stimulate a class of immune
cells are all VERY toxic, such as pokeweed. Counts also are potentially
misrepresentative of how the immune system is actually functioning.

---

The use of the word restore, and the implications of how it was said,
implies that the immune system was responding incorrectly, and it needs
some insight from a plant to actually know how to work properly.

This is garbage. There is no drug that changes or resets the immune
system response into the "correct one", whatever that would mean.
Classic examples of asthma and glucocorticoids do not count because the
GC's do not change the fact that the person has asthma. It does not
remove the asthma. Another example of the same line is antirejection
drugs for transplants. They again stop the immune response (particularly
T cells), but without the drug, your immune system goes straight back
into rejection. We are merely preventing the immune system from reacting
the way it WANTS to act.

Glucosamine and arthritis isn't relevant because the glucosamine is
merely adding onto the "cushioning" of the joints, not changing the
immune response.

Maybe the only example could be the drugs used to stop transplantation
rejection. They are strong antagonists of immune responses, particularly
T cell responses, and so it modifies the immune response to something we
"want" to occur. But like in asthma, this is external manipulation,
without the drug the immune system would go straight back into rejection
mode.

But going back to drugs that increase CD4 counts, ie, I'm assuming
you're talking about antiretroviral drugs. These drugs reduce the viral
levels, allowing the average lifespan of CD4 T cells to increase. This
means that the immune system is more likely to generate a proper
response to an antigen/infection/challenge.

However, drug or not, the immune system WOULD respond the same way to
the antigen. It is only because AIDS impairs the response so
dramatically that the immune system is "restored" to some level of
competant functioning. In reality the drugs do nothing but allow the
immune system to have a chance at responding. There is no miraculous
change in the method of attacking HIV, or any other illness because the
drugs are there. The CD4 T cells, nor any other themselves are not
changed whatsoever.

It is an external effect you are seeing, not a change/replacement of the
nature of the immune response.

We're talking about changing the immune system from getting "sick from
infections" to "never getting infected". Or something. I never quite
worked that one out.

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Acetaminophen *vs* Ibuprofen
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 9/9/2003 3:21 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

(Hawki63) said:

>Subject: Re: Acetaminophen *vs* Ibuprofen
>From: "Dave" [email hidden]
>Date: 9/9/2003 2:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <[email hidden]>
>
>

>The point that you appear to not understand is that we all have

impaired

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>immune systems.
>You and every person you know is impacted.

Impacted immune systems?? ya mean like it needs a cleanse or coffee

enema???

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

source for that statement please??

>This is exactly like the law of
>gravity.

and HOW pray tell??

Gravity is a distortion in space and time. Dave's thinking is a
distortion in logic and truth.

First we have a diagnosis from Eric, now Peter tells us how Dave thinks.

Peter interpreted what Davey wrote. Obviously, from his posts he has bounced
a few reality checks. He writes so poorly that even you understand him.

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The debunker group has a continual control problem.

Not really. Only in your "mind."

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And just look who is mentioning the truth.

Yes, you. Sad that you have this control problem where you have appointed
yourself arbiter of who is a liar.

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Lord have merccy.

Jan, type more carefully. For a moment I thought you typed 'mercury'.

Nearly gave me an infarction.

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"Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> [email hidden] (Jan) wrote in
> news:[email hidden]:
>
> >>From: El Doper Mean [email hidden]
> >>Dare I ask, from your immunology understanding, how does any

herb/drug

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Quoted message said:

> >>"restore" your immune system. There ain't no such thing.
> >
> > I hope yours never get wiped out. You find out.
>
> You know, a few weeks ago someone asked you if you knew anyone who

had

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AIDS
> or was taking anti-rejection drugs after a transplant, and you very
> emphatically answered "NO!" as if there was something scandalous

about

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the

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> suggestion. The reason you were asked that question is that people

with

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> AIDS and people taking anti-rejection drugs literally *do* have

immune

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Quoted message said:

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> systems that are almost completely "wiped out." The point was that

none

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of
> the people in Altland who claim to have "suppressed immune systems"
> experience *any* of the problems that are seen in people who really

*do*

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> have suppressed immune systems. And that includes you.

The point that you appear to not understand is that we all have

impaired

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Quoted message said:

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immune systems.

Hogwash. My immune system is just fine. I just got rid of a late summer

cold

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in 7 days, or was that a week?

Quoted message said:

You and every person you know is impacted.

We are talking about the immune system and you bring up the lower

digestive

Quoted message said:

tract.

Quoted message said:

This is exactly like the law of
gravity.

You mean, "Whatever goes up must come down?" Tell that to Pioneer 10.

Quoted message said:

You can tell me that you don't believe that it exists,

Gravity exists, and, when String Theory is fully developed and

understood,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

we will fully understand it. Einstein had a good start. You are no

Einstein.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

but that has
no power because it still affects you in exactly the same way that it
affects every person who does accept, believe and understand.

Wrong. Gravity affects everyone differently, unless they weigh the exact
same amount and stand in the exact same place.

And the genius (comic) emerges. Another basc point lost.

When you learnhow to write clearer, your points will emerge from under your
bonnet.

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Acetaminophen *vs* Ibuprofen
From: Eric Bohlman [email hidden]
Date: 9/9/2003 11:53 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

>From: El Doper Mean [email hidden]
>Dare I ask, from your immunology understanding, how does any herb/drug
>"restore" your immune system. There ain't no such thing.

I hope yours never get wiped out. You find out.

You know, a few weeks ago someone asked you if you knew anyone who had

AIDS

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

or was taking anti-rejection drugs after a transplant, and you very
emphatically answered "NO!" as if there was something scandalous about

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

suggestion.

Your interpretation. And wrong.

Quoted message said:

The reason you were asked that question is that people with
AIDS and people taking anti-rejection drugs literally *do* have immune
systems that are almost completely "wiped out."

OK.
The point was that none of the people in Altland

<yawn>

who claim to have "suppressed immune systems"

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experience *any* of the problems that are seen in people who really *do*
have suppressed immune systems. And that includes you.

OH? And when exactly did you become my doctor??

No, I don't think so.

The tests I had at the Florida Institute of Health showed otherwise.

A place where they sell what? It is part of their sales pitch.

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You sound a bit like Happy Dog, who several years ago, told me he knew my

body

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better than I did.

Typical arrogance, and I am surprised it is coming from you, that's a step
down, IHMO.

This thread is not about HD or Bronsing, or Jan. However, if you keep doing
this, it wil lbecome about Jan.

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BilZ0r said:

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>They are both equally toxic. What you need is echinacea or better
>still, if you restore your immune system.

Dare I ask, from your immunology understanding, how does any herb/drug
"restore" your immune system. There ain't no such thing.

Well there are drugs which stimulate CD4,8 cell counts...

Well see, no. They don't. The only compounds stimulate a class of immune
cells are all VERY toxic, such as pokeweed. Counts also are potentially
misrepresentative of how the immune system is actually functioning.

---

The use of the word restore, and the implications of how it was said,
implies that the immune system was responding incorrectly, and it needs
some insight from a plant to actually know how to work properly.

This is garbage. There is no drug that changes or resets the immune
system response into the "correct one", whatever that would mean.
Classic examples of asthma and glucocorticoids do not count because the
GC's do not change the fact that the person has asthma. It does not
remove the asthma. Another example of the same line is antirejection
drugs for transplants. They again stop the immune response (particularly
T cells), but without the drug, your immune system goes straight back
into rejection. We are merely preventing the immune system from reacting
the way it WANTS to act.

Glucosamine and arthritis isn't relevant because the glucosamine is
merely adding onto the "cushioning" of the joints, not changing the
immune response.

Maybe the only example could be the drugs used to stop transplantation
rejection. They are strong antagonists of immune responses, particularly
T cell responses, and so it modifies the immune response to something we
"want" to occur. But like in asthma, this is external manipulation,
without the drug the immune system would go straight back into rejection
mode.

But going back to drugs that increase CD4 counts, ie, I'm assuming
you're talking about antiretroviral drugs. These drugs reduce the viral
levels, allowing the average lifespan of CD4 T cells to increase. This
means that the immune system is more likely to generate a proper
response to an antigen/infection/challenge.

However, drug or not, the immune system WOULD respond the same way to
the antigen. It is only because AIDS impairs the response so
dramatically that the immune system is "restored" to some level of
competant functioning. In reality the drugs do nothing but allow the
immune system to have a chance at responding. There is no miraculous
change in the method of attacking HIV, or any other illness because the
drugs are there. The CD4 T cells, nor any other themselves are not
changed whatsoever.

It is an external effect you are seeing, not a change/replacement of the
nature of the immune response.

We're talking about changing the immune system from getting "sick from
infections" to "never getting infected". Or something. I never quite
worked that one out.

Vitamin C is an excellant antioxidant, and has a positive effect on
the immune system. I have taken it for years and I rarely get sick.