Dan, you make my brain hurt.
On 2004-08-19, Dan Volker penned:
Quoted message said:
If you played highschool football, you learned that if you shove
someone, you are going to get shoved back--and what it feels like. You
will know all about planning to hit someone, and expecting to be hit.
The nerd on the chess club--as the flip side, does not experience
physical retaliation for his attacks, and without this as a
consequence, and without experiencing the crushing physical impacts,
he has a flawed view of "consequences" in a confrontation. He can
make threats, and fear only words coming back at him.
That little quote just goes to show how clueless you are about nerd life.
Nerds experience physical retaliation for their attacks, whether the attacks
were physical or not. In fact, nerds get the added bonus of experiencing
physical retaliation when they didn't do anything at all!
Quoted message said:I don't tend to "push" someone I don't know to the point of wanting to
fight....The chess club nerd may not have any idea where this line is,
or what the ramifications would be if a fight ensued. Moreover, they
do not see words as leading to a fight, whereas in real life, the
words they would use "would" lead to a fight. This is the
dysfunction--the talk that goes way over the line, meaning they
expect no consequences, because in all their life, they never run
into situations where consequences exist.
Again, where do you get off thinking that non-jocks don't get into fights and
that they don't get hit?
Lemme throw one out there for ya. And I won't skimp on the stereotypes, since
you keep droning on about the "chess club nerd." Maybe a muscle-bound oaf
needs a lesson in getting beat down before he figures out that violence begets
violence. Nerds are smart enough to extrapolate from their experiences and
figure these things out without ever having to pick a fight! I know this
comes as a shocker to you, but not everyone has to put their hand in front of
a flamethrower to figure out that fire burns!
Quoted message said:In AMB, as long as someone like JD is tolerated by the group, he gets
to talk his talk without consequences. Killfiling him is basically
tolerating him. If 40 people slammed him every time he made an
unprovoked attack, this would either take up so much of his time in
responding that it would be negative reinforcement, or he would at
least be more likely to see himself as a butthead. This begs the
question---"Does MV see himself as a butthead?" and the answer would
be no, since he's a sick, neurotic [censored] that makes JD look like a
role model. Sick people like MV are a case entirely separate, and
ignoring him would seem to be the only solution.
Dan, the impression you've given everyone throughout this discussion is
that *you're* the bully, not JD. You've done this by citing examples
from your own life. The mental model of the world that you've divulged
is so simplistic and flawed that it hurts me to realize that maybe you
actually believe what you're saying. You've made it clear that you live
in a world of might makes right, and it's pretty clear which side you've
been on.
As for your laughable claim that JD would be stymied by having everyone slam
him whenever he attacks someone -- just how naive are you? I've seen forums
where this sort of approach has been attempted. It just drags everyone into
massive, never-ending flame fests. It's *much* better to ignore a troll than
to try to make him see the light. And again, not everyone agrees about who is
trolling whom.
Let me put this in simple terms: You're damaging your reputation on this
newsgroup with every post. The sooner you stop whining about what a
[censored] JD is, the sooner everyone will forget about it and go on with
business as usual. And believe me, I speak from experience on this one.
--
monique
"Get a bicycle. You will not regret it, if you live."
-- Mark Twain
