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Re: A new(ish) Cycle Lane

Simon Brooke · 2006-08-31T20:07:45+00:00

in message , Bob Downie Dear All, I have some serious safety concerns regarding the newly implemented cycle lanes on Kilmarnock Road in Glasgow, which is on a route I frequently use. As you may expect it is inadequate. I have draughted a letter for the council expressing my concerns. Can you folk be good enough to help as follows. 1) Cast your eyes over the letter and make suggestions for possible improvement. 2) Does anyone know the name/address of the correct recipient at Glasgow City Council? Thanks for your help. Cheers Bob ----------------draughted letter follows---------------------------------------------------- Dear Sir/Madam Re: New Cycle Lanes on Kilmarnock Road I am writing to you about the new cycle lanes that have recently been introduced on both the north and south routes of Kilmarnock Road (A77), from approximately Newlandsfield Road to Nether Auldhouse Road. As a frequent cyclist and user of this route I have concerns about them. It is a rule of the road for car drivers that you give parked cars a reasonable margin when passing, so that in the event of a car occupant unexpectedly opening an offside door, no collision will occur. Indeed, one may fail a driving test for failing to do so. A similar principle applies to cycles. It is accepted by those working in cycle safety that cyclists should give a similar wide berth to parked cars for identical reasons. At this point you might cite the fact that door zone collisions are the most significant single cause of deaths and serious injuries to cyclists in London: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/streets/downloads/pdf/LRSR/Topic_Factsheets/Pedal-Cyclist-Casualties-04-05.pdf [see table 14 and the discussion of it on page 16] You could then ask, innocently, what the equivalent figure is for Glasgow. -- [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ Das Internet is nicht fuer gefingerclicken und giffengrabben... Ist nicht fuer gewerken bei das dumpkopfen. Das mausklicken sichtseeren keepen das bandwit-spewin hans in das pockets muss; relaxen und watchen das cursorblinken. -- quoted from the jargon file

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Simon Brooke
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31 August 2006, 20:07 UTC #1

in message <[email hidden]>, Bob Downie
('BobMail@downie-geo#n0spam#.co.uk') said:
Dear All,
I have some serious safety concerns regarding the newly implemented
cycle lanes on Kilmarnock Road in Glasgow, which is on a route I
frequently use. As you may expect it is inadequate. I have draughted a
letter for the council expressing my concerns. Can you folk be good
enough to help as follows.
1) Cast your eyes over the letter and make suggestions for possible
improvement.
2) Does anyone know the name/address of the correct recipient at
Glasgow City Council?
Thanks for your help.
Cheers
Bob
----------------draughted letter
follows----------------------------------------------------
Dear Sir/Madam
Re: New Cycle Lanes on Kilmarnock Road
I am writing to you about the new cycle lanes that have recently been
introduced on both the north and south routes of Kilmarnock Road (A77),
from approximately Newlandsfield Road to Nether Auldhouse Road. As a
frequent cyclist and user of this route I have concerns about them.
It is a rule of the road for car drivers that you give parked cars a
reasonable margin when passing, so that in the event of a car occupant
unexpectedly opening an offside door, no collision will occur. Indeed,
one may fail a driving test for failing to do so. A similar principle
applies to cycles. It is accepted by those working in cycle safety that
cyclists should give a similar wide berth to parked cars for identical
reasons.
At this point you might cite the fact that door zone collisions are the
most significant single cause of deaths and serious injuries to cyclists
in London:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/streets/downloads/pdf/LRSR/Topic_Factsheets/Pedal-Cyclist-Casualties-04-05.pdf
[see table 14 and the discussion of it on page 16]
You could then ask, innocently, what the equivalent figure is for
Glasgow.
--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
Das Internet is nicht fuer gefingerclicken und giffengrabben... Ist
nicht fuer gewerken bei das dumpkopfen. Das mausklicken sichtseeren
keepen das bandwit-spewin hans in das pockets muss; relaxen und
watchen das cursorblinken. -- quoted from the jargon file

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Bob Downie
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31 August 2006, 21:34 UTC #2

Quoted message said:
At this point you might cite the fact that door zone collisions are the
most significant single cause of deaths and serious injuries to cyclists
in London:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/streets/downloads/pdf/LRSR/Topic_Factsheets/Pedal-
Cyclist-Casualties-04-05.pdf
[see table 14 and the discussion of it on page 16]
You could then ask, innocently, what the equivalent figure is for
Glasgow.

Gold-dust
thanks
--
Bob Downie
Downie GeoScience Ltd.
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Simon Brooke
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31 August 2006, 22:20 UTC #3

in message <[email hidden]>, Bob Downie
('BobMail@downie-geo#n0spam#.co.uk') said:
Quoted message said:
At this point you might cite the fact that door zone collisions are the
most significant single cause of deaths and serious injuries to
cyclists in London:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/streets/downloads/pdf/LRSR/Topic_Factsheets/Pedal-
Cyclist-Casualties-04-05.pdf
[see table 14 and the discussion of it on page 16]
You could then ask, innocently, what the equivalent figure is for
Glasgow.

Gold-dust
If you got an answer, you might let us know.
--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
Morning had broken, and there was nothing we could do but wait
patiently for the RAC to arrive.

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Bob Downie
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31 August 2006, 23:29 UTC #4

In message <[email hidden]>, Simon
Brooke <[email hidden]> writes
Quoted message said:

If you got an answer, you might let us know.

Thanks to everyone for your suggestions and links (especially those from
Simon). I'm taking these on board and my letter will be much the better
for them. I'll mail it off tomorrow and post a copy here for your
delectation.
I'll copy any reply here as appropriate.
--
Bob Downie
Downie GeoScience Ltd.
please remove #n0spam# to reply directly

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Phil Cook
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1 September 2006, 07:59 UTC #5

Simon Brooke said:
At this point you might cite the fact that door zone collisions are the
most significant single cause of deaths and serious injuries to cyclists
in London:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/streets/downloads/pdf/LRSR/Topic_Factsheets/Pedal-Cyclist-Casualties-04-05.pdf
[see table 14 and the discussion of it on page 16]
Cause of Accident percent
Door zone 10
Riding off footway 9
Vehicle turns right 9
Vehicle turns left 9
Followed by riding off the footway. It would be nice to know how many
of those occur at the end of shared use paths. However they occur I
shall use that statistic is a good reason for staying on the road.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

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Mike Causer
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2 September 2006, 13:16 UTC #6

Bob Downie said:
In message <[email hidden]>, Simon Brooke
<[email hidden]> writes
Quoted message said:

If you got an answer, you might let us know.

Thanks to everyone for your suggestions and links (especially those from
Simon). I'm taking these on board and my letter will be much the better
for them. I'll mail it off tomorrow and post a copy here for your
delectation.
I'll copy any reply here as appropriate.
If it's not too late, you could also mention Highway Code section 52:
"Leave plenty of room when passing parked vehicles and watch out for doors
being opened into your path"
Mike

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