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Malvern_star · 2003-07-07T13:40:02+00:00

Forestry fire trails for clubs and individuals with permits, beach driving/fishing at Moreton, Stradbroke & Fraser Islands mudracing & camping on private properties or commercial 4x4 park's (which at last count numbered 12 parks within 2 hours of Brisbane). And if you ever looked at the beach after 100 4x4's have driven down it after the next tide you wouldn't find a clue they had been there. As far as bush tracks go, some greenies have no idea how much actual bush there is out there and that 50km of 2metre wide track in a 800 hectare property is peanuts. We don't go running over trees to make new tracks everytime we go offroad, as we actually find the more wear on a particular section of track the more interesting it becomes. Consider the damage done by "vandals" pushing over trees for football fields, shopping centres, houses & racetracks as well perhaps. Illegal use of motor vehicles happens a lot more on the road than off. Pat Brisbane, Australia http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/http://h- omepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/ +1 Ditto to that Funny how pseudo greenies(above) are very selective in whom they brand as a 'vandal'. They display an arrogant , self righteous attitude and contempt toward people who use the bush as a means of income or recreation , yet they seem to ignore activities and policies which are outright destructive such as urbanisation , and the push for massive population. These tyrants have no interest whatsoever in conserving the bush. They don't use it , they don't sleep in it , ride in it , drive or work in it. The last people you'll see at a clean-up-Australia day is one of these 'pretend' "4 wheeldrives shouldn't be in the bush" greenies. They should get out in the bush more often . There are 1000s of kms of bush tracks which can 'legally' be driven on with 4wds. People who use the bush for recreation , love the bush . We want as much of it as possible , and we want it to stay forever. These self righteous psuedo greens want to stop everyone else from enjoying nature .. They can't stand the fact that people can camp out in a wilderness for FREE or ride a mountain bike or drive a fourwheel drive though a track without the restraints of commercialism. These 'anti 4x4 ers' should go lean over a barb wire fence an d let a landcruiser f##k some sense into them. 😄 -- --------------------------< Posted via cyclingforums.com http://www.cyclingforums.com

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Malvern_star
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7 July 2003, 13:40 UTC #1

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Forestry fire trails for clubs and individuals with permits, beach
driving/fishing at Moreton, Stradbroke & Fraser Islands mudracing &
camping on private properties or commercial 4x4 park's (which at
last count numbered 12 parks within 2 hours of Brisbane).
And if you ever looked at the beach after 100 4x4's have driven
down it after the next tide you wouldn't find a clue they had been
there. As far as bush tracks go, some greenies have no idea how
much actual bush there is out there and that 50km of 2metre wide
track in a 800 hectare property is peanuts. We don't go running
over trees to make new tracks everytime we go offroad, as we
actually find the more wear on a particular section of track the
more interesting it becomes.
Consider the damage done by "vandals" pushing over trees for
football fields, shopping centres, houses & racetracks as well
perhaps.
Illegal use of motor vehicles happens a lot more on the road than off.
Pat Brisbane, Australia http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/http://h-
omepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
+1
Ditto to that
Funny how pseudo greenies(above) are very selective in whom they brand
as a 'vandal'. They display an arrogant , self righteous attitude and
contempt toward people who use the bush as a means of income or
recreation , yet they seem to ignore activities and policies which are
outright destructive such as urbanisation , and the push for massive
population. These tyrants have no interest whatsoever in conserving the
bush. They don't use it , they don't sleep in it , ride in it , drive or
work in it. The last people you'll see at a clean-up-Australia day is
one of these 'pretend' "4 wheeldrives shouldn't be in the bush"
greenies. They should get out in the bush more often . There are 1000s
of kms of bush tracks which can 'legally' be driven on with 4wds.
People who use the bush for recreation , love the bush . We want as
much of it as possible , and we want it to stay forever. These self
righteous psuedo greens want to stop everyone else from enjoying nature
.. They can't stand the fact that people can camp out in a wilderness
for FREE or ride a mountain bike or drive a fourwheel drive though a
track without the restraints of commercialism. These 'anti 4x4 ers'
should go lean over a barb wire fence an d let a landcruiser f##k some
sense into them.
😄
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8 July 2003, 03:12 UTC #2

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nature . They can't stand the fact that people can camp out in a
wilderness for FREE or ride a mountain bike or drive a fourwheel drive
though a track without the restraints of commercialism. These 'anti
4x4 ers' should go lean over a barb wire fence an d let a landcruiser
f##k some sense into them.
I agree with the sentiment, we are genuine greenies IMO, the unfortunate
thing is "we", the genuine users of public land, are unorganised and at
each otheres throats. Instead of being mindful of other users you often
see them not wanting other groups in there. I ride a registered
motorbike on trails in the bush, the same ones used by 4WD's etc, lots of
my freinds do the same, they hate 4WD's cause of the track damge they do
and the danger they pose because to motorcyclists because they are slow
and cumbersome. I am trying to overcome their predjuice 🙂
I also MTB off road, these guys don't want motorbikes or 4WDs there, the
hikers don't want the MTB guys there... sigh....
We need to band together to ensure the Government is not subjugated into
denying us access forever. eg Wet Tropics legislation is nasty bit of
gear that does not directly impact you that far south as it stops at
Townsville but it prohibits access accross SF's and Nat Parks in areas
that it covers, eg CREB track will be closed etc etc
Perhaps we spend our spare time in the bush so much enjoying it, that we
don't spend the time ensuring we presever our "right" to actually be
there. We spend no time campaigning or on advocacy but one day we will
wake up and there will be no where to enjoy it anymore.
The enviro-nazi's seem to spend little or no time in the bush and have
laods of free time to campaign to keep everyone out 🙁
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8 July 2003, 16:40 UTC #3

Trevor S said:
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nature . They can't stand the fact that people can camp out in a
wilderness for FREE or ride a mountain bike or drive a fourwheel drive
though a track without the restraints of commercialism. These 'anti
4x4 ers' should go lean over a barb wire fence an d let a landcruiser
f##k some sense into them.

I agree with the sentiment, we are genuine greenies IMO, the unfortunate
thing is "we", the genuine users of public land, are unorganised and at
each otheres throats. Instead of being mindful of other users you often
see them not wanting other groups in there. I ride a registered
motorbike on trails in the bush, the same ones used by 4WD's etc, lots
of my freinds do the same, they hate 4WD's cause of the track damge they
do and the danger they pose because to motorcyclists because they are
slow and cumbersome. I am trying to overcome their predjuice 🙂
I also MTB off road, these guys don't want motorbikes or 4WDs there, the
hikers don't want the MTB guys there... sigh....
We need to band together to ensure the Government is not subjugated into
denying us access forever. eg Wet Tropics legislation is nasty bit of
gear that does not directly impact you that far south as it stops at
Townsville but it prohibits access accross SF's and Nat Parks in areas
that it covers, eg CREB track will be closed etc etc
Perhaps we spend our spare time in the bush so much enjoying it, that we
don't spend the time ensuring we presever our "right" to actually be
there. We spend no time campaigning or on advocacy but one day we will
wake up and there will be no where to enjoy it anymore.
The enviro-nazi's seem to spend little or no time in the bush and have
laods of free time to campaign to keep everyone out 🙁
Trevor S
Hi Trevor I used to live in Townsville mate . I know what is going on up
there. I hope CREB track isn't closed as it is far nicer than the
coastal road IMO. I drove across it in 97 last. The closure of Bluewater
state forest really got up my nose as it was the most beautiful area
near Townsville aside from Paluma. They closed the road going into the
Bluewater state forest and threatened people with draconian penalties if
they dared to ride/walk or drive up into the mountains there. I used to
ride the MTB and camp up there all the time , however the last time I
was there , about two years after they closed the road , a huge amount
of forest had been bulldozed , yet about a few hundred metres before ,
is a sign 'wet tropics world heritage area' . Ha .Yeah right 😠 What
a bloody scam!!!
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9 July 2003, 01:07 UTC #4

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Hi Trevor I used to live in Townsville mate . I know what is going on
up there. I hope CREB track isn't closed as it is far nicer than the
coastal road IMO. I drove across it in 97 last.
It was originally bulit for access to power lines for maintenance (Cairns
Regional Electricy Board is the CREB acronym, as it was originally
called), the power lins have been realigned, ERGON have no use for the
track, QPWS want no one there and don't want to maintain it. There are
grous working actively to ensure it remaines open... but...
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The closure of
Bluewater state forest really got up my nose as it was the most
beautiful area near Townsville
Wet Tropics legilation shut that, no permit through the SF because it is
deemed Wet Tropics. That's what irks me, you can't get access along the
graded and miantained road, I am not talkif about carving new trails
through virgin rainforest ! You can now get to the top of the range but
the road is still closed after that.
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aside from Paluma.
The road around the back of the Paluma Dam (the one that goes to Hidden
Valley, Blenhems Track, is closed for the same reason, Wet Tropics, there
is a graded miantained road with no access allowed !!! The local MTB
club guys finally got access last year but they are the only ones. I
ride my MTB through there on occasion, in summer it is pleasently cool up
there, then ride down to Hidden Valley and back up (pant pant pant)...
Quoted message said:
They closed the road
going into the Bluewater state forest and threatened people with
draconian penalties if they dared to ride/walk or drive up into the
mountains there.
The track to the top is open again but it stops at the top, no access
past that !
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I used to ride the MTB and camp up there all the time
, however the last time I was there , about two years after they
closed the road , a huge amount of forest had been bulldozed , yet
about a few hundred metres before , is a sign 'wet tropics world
heritage area' . Ha .Yeah right 😠 What a bloody scam!!!
Same thing at Paluma Dam, they re-did the camping area near the Dam,
bulldozed the [censored] out of the forest, where the signs are that say Wet
Tropcs Protected Area <ohhhh the irony> to make a car park for day
trippers. Not in a 100 years of 4-WD's, motorcycles and MTB riders
could that amount of damage be done.
As an aside, the Army have access to the Bluewater Range to bomb the [censored]
out of it in the Wet Tropic area and run over everything in the APC's.
These guys can do serious damage, they don't stick to the beaten track.
I had a heated debate with QPWS about the irony of this, water of a ducks
back, it's all legal and that's the only thing that counts according to
them, you want legal access to Joe Q Public ? tough [censored] pal 🙂
Trevor S

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9 July 2003, 09:40 UTC #5

Trevor S said:
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Hi Trevor I used to live in Townsville mate . I know what is going on
up there. I hope CREB track isn't closed as it is far nicer than the
coastal road IMO. I drove across it in 97 last.

It was originally bulit for access to power lines for maintenance
(Cairns Regional Electricy Board is the CREB acronym, as it was
originally called), the power lins have been realigned, ERGON have no
use for the track, QPWS want no one there and don't want to maintain it.
There are grous working actively to ensure it remaines open... but...
Quoted message said:
The closure of Bluewater state forest really got up my nose as it was
the most beautiful area near Townsville

Wet Tropics legilation shut that, no permit through the SF because it is
deemed Wet Tropics. That's what irks me, you can't get access along the
graded and miantained road, I am not talkif about carving new trails
through virgin rainforest ! You can now get to the top of the range but
the road is still closed after that.
Quoted message said:
aside from Paluma.

The road around the back of the Paluma Dam (the one that goes to Hidden
Valley, Blenhems Track, is closed for the same reason, Wet Tropics,
there is a graded miantained road with no access allowed
!!! The local MTB club guys finally got access last year but they are
!!! the only ones. I ride my MTB
through there on occasion, in summer it is pleasently cool up there,
then ride down to Hidden Valley and back up (pant pant pant)...
Quoted message said:
They closed the road going into the Bluewater state forest and
threatened people with draconian penalties if they dared to ride/walk
or drive up into the mountains there.

The track to the top is open again but it stops at the top, no access
past that !
Quoted message said:
I used to ride the MTB and camp up there all the time , however the
last time I was there , about two years after they closed the road , a
huge amount of forest had been bulldozed , yet about a few hundred
metres before , is a sign 'wet tropics world heritage area' . Ha .Yeah
right 😠 What a bloody scam!!!

Same thing at Paluma Dam, they re-did the camping area near the Dam,
bulldozed the [censored] out of the forest, where the signs are that say Wet
Tropcs Protected Area <ohhhh the irony> to make a car park for day
trippers. Not in a 100 years of 4-WD's, motorcycles and MTB riders could
that amount of damage be done.
As an aside, the Army have access to the Bluewater Range to bomb the
**** out of it in the Wet Tropic area and run over everything in the
APC's. These guys can do serious damage, they don't stick to the
beaten track. I had a heated debate with QPWS about the irony of this,
water of a ducks back, it's all legal and that's the only thing that
counts according to them, you want legal access to Joe Q Public ?
tough **** pal 🙂
Trevor S
I really miss that place (North Qland). Shame about the Hidden valley
road closure , I used to MTB and 4x4 in that region as well. Once I was
riding down the closed Crystal Creek road at the bottom of Paluma. A
QPWS ranger bailed me up and threatened me with a $10,000 fine for being
there , I just laughed at them and stated in a hyperthetical manner that
I could beat the [censored] out of them , put them in hospital and not receive
anywhere near such a harsh penalty.(I'd never actually do such a thing
of course😉 ) , but it really got my goat. And you notice that they
don't give you any reason for these closures of public land. You and I
know the answer to - WHY??? But it would be nice to hear it from them
plain as day and to have a little video camera or tape recorder. Good to
hear that you can at least drive up to Bluewater range now . That would
be because of public preasure and 'sick and tiredness' of always
building barriers across the little side track at the bottom of the
hill. (which my old landcruiser transversed many times😄) That road
eventually goes all the way to Starr river (I think) but it's one
helluva ride I've never been to the end of it and I rode for a full day
starting at the bottom of the hill. I drove the landcruiser through
Keelbottom creek and across the next creek but didn't go much further
than that. Didn't take the army long to completely trash the road and
make it impassable too. But... It's still a great place and I hope to
get up there soon.🙂
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9 July 2003, 11:39 UTC #6

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It's still a great place and I hope to get up there soon.🙂
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