Re: 4WDs - High and Mighty

"Rainbow Warrior" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: Paul Jones <"katpaul"@dodo.com.au(nospam)> wrote in message
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: > The problem most have with 4wds is when people buy them as some sort of
: > urban fashion statement and never use them off road.
: >
: > Congrats for buying a vehicle for your needs
: >
: > Paul
:
: And the problem with most critics is washing the mud off is enough to
: convince them it never goes offroad.
:

I believe that the lack of any mark whatsover gives away the fact that
offroad=well graded firetrail to most.

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"Rainbow Warrior" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: Paul Jones <"katpaul"@dodo.com.au(nospam)> wrote in message
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: > The problem most have with 4wds is when people buy them as some sort

of

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: > urban fashion statement and never use them off road.
: >
: > Congrats for buying a vehicle for your needs
: >
: > Paul
:
: And the problem with most critics is washing the mud off is enough to
: convince them it never goes offroad.

I believe that the lack of any mark whatsover gives away the fact that
offroad=well graded firetrail to most.

Most of us are as reluctant as possible to mark $15k worth of vehicle so the
"floor it & bash it through" technique is restricted to $5k vehicles,
because it's a very fine line between marking and panel beater required.

Pat
Brisbane, Australia
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/

: Most of us are as reluctant as possible to mark $15k worth of vehicle so
the
: "floor it & bash it through" technique is restricted to $5k vehicles,
: because it's a very fine line between marking and panel beater required.
:
: Pat
: Brisbane, Australia
: http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
:
:

I did not say beat up but I would expect the odd couple of scratches. I
have a friend who wont even let his wife park his 4wd truck at the shopping
centre. As far as a 15k vehicle. I would be scared crapless to consider
taking that off the road for fear of my personal safety. If I was going to
buy a 4wd it would have to be a real one.

Have you ever been to the US. The cars just keep getting bigger and bigger.
I think it must have something to do with increasing obesity. I mean
really, a sedan is just going to make your [censored] look big. I reckon sooner
or later we will be all driving prime movers. I reckon that is on peoples
minds now... Will my [censored] look big in this car. These days you would have
to pull on a mighty boy like a pair of pants.

Another good quote I heard was that there are so many urban 4wd vehicles now
that we should just completely stop wasting money on maintaining roads. We
could stop building roads all together and just 4wd everywhere.

Peter

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: Most of us are as reluctant as possible to mark $15k worth of vehicle so
the
: "floor it & bash it through" technique is restricted to $5k vehicles,
: because it's a very fine line between marking and panel beater required.
:
: Pat
:
I did not say beat up but I would expect the odd couple of scratches. I
have a friend who wont even let his wife park his 4wd truck at the

shopping

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centre. As far as a 15k vehicle. I would be scared crapless to consider
taking that off the road for fear of my personal safety. If I was going

to

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buy a 4wd it would have to be a real one.

I've heard of people who wouldn't let their wife/daughter park their BMW
/ Sigma at a shopping centre.

You really don't know much about 4x4's, $15 to $20k would be about the
average value of those used offroad, a stock standard $10k to $20k early
90's Patrol is one of the safest & most capable vehicles offroad.

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Have you ever been to the US. The cars just keep getting bigger and

bigger.

The F350's have been around since the early 70's, they've had their big
trucks over there for years, doubt you'll find a "plague" of them in
downtown NY.

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I think it must have something to do with increasing obesity. I mean
really, a sedan is just going to make your [censored] look big. I reckon

sooner

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or later we will be all driving prime movers. I reckon that is on peoples
minds now... Will my [censored] look big in this car. These days you would have
to pull on a mighty boy like a pair of pants.

Yeah, I'm sure even Falcodore drivers do the same, look at the number of
them driving around that never use the back seat/doors.

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Another good quote I heard was that there are so many urban 4wd vehicles

now

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that we should just completely stop wasting money on maintaining roads.

We

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could stop building roads all together and just 4wd everywhere.

Peter

Us 4x4 fans wouldn't care about dirt roads, we can do double the speed now
driving on the forestry tracks parallel to the near parked holiday traffic
heading back to the sunshine coast.

Pat
Brisbane, Australia
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/

"Rainbow Warrior" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: John Doe <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: > : Most of us are as reluctant as possible to mark $15k worth of vehicle
so
: > the
: > : "floor it & bash it through" technique is restricted to $5k vehicles,
: > : because it's a very fine line between marking and panel beater
required.
: > :
: > : Pat
: > :
: > I did not say beat up but I would expect the odd couple of scratches. I
: > have a friend who wont even let his wife park his 4wd truck at the
: shopping
: > centre. As far as a 15k vehicle. I would be scared crapless to
consider
: > taking that off the road for fear of my personal safety. If I was going
: to
: > buy a 4wd it would have to be a real one.
:
: I've heard of people who wouldn't let their wife/daughter park their
BMW
: / Sigma at a shopping centre.
:
: You really don't know much about 4x4's, $15 to $20k would be about the
: average value of those used offroad, a stock standard $10k to $20k early
: 90's Patrol is one of the safest & most capable vehicles offroad.
:
: > Have you ever been to the US. The cars just keep getting bigger and
: bigger.
:
: The F350's have been around since the early 70's, they've had their big
: trucks over there for years, doubt you'll find a "plague" of them in
: downtown NY.
:
: > I think it must have something to do with increasing obesity. I mean
: > really, a sedan is just going to make your [censored] look big. I reckon
: sooner
: > or later we will be all driving prime movers. I reckon that is on
peoples
: > minds now... Will my [censored] look big in this car. These days you would
have
: > to pull on a mighty boy like a pair of pants.
:
: Yeah, I'm sure even Falcodore drivers do the same, look at the number of
: them driving around that never use the back seat/doors.
:
: > Another good quote I heard was that there are so many urban 4wd vehicles
: now
: > that we should just completely stop wasting money on maintaining roads.
: We
: > could stop building roads all together and just 4wd everywhere.
: >
: > Peter
:
: Us 4x4 fans wouldn't care about dirt roads, we can do double the speed now
: driving on the forestry tracks parallel to the near parked holiday traffic
: heading back to the sunshine coast.
:
: Pat
: Brisbane, Australia
: http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
:
:

Hey. Dont get me wrong. I dont mind people buying a vehicle for their
purpose. Its just their over dominance in the middle of the city by people
who call off road taking it outside urban streets. If you use it for
recreational use as they were designed then I have no beef with you.

Pete

I wasn't going join any further in this thred, content to sit back and
watch the 4wd'ers get all defensive.

But today on a ride, no bull, I saw the aftermath of an accident between
a 4wd Hilux dual cab and a little 2 door Deawoo or something. It was the
corner of Jarrad St and Curtin Ave Cottesloe about 4pm. The Police had
blocked the road one direction, anyone who was there could confirm it.

The little car had some front end damage, the bonnet was missing, but
the cabin and roof were intact, the car obviously didn't flip 360
degrees for example. The airbag had deployed.
The Hilux on the otherhabd was a total write off. It was on its roof,
the roof at the front had almost completely caved in. I would think the
driver would have been in serious trouble. For a vehical practically
designed to easy flipping over, I can't believe they make the roof
pillars so weak.

GK

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Paul Jones <"katpaul"@dodo.com.au(nospam)> wrote in message
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The problem most have with 4wds is when people buy them as some sort of
urban fashion statement and never use them off road.

Congrats for buying a vehicle for your needs

I am puzzled about this thread and its references to driving vehicles "off
road". Are people talking about the use of vehicles by farmers on their own
properties? If not, am I wrong in believing that it is illegal to drive
vehicles on public land other than on roads or "road related areas" under
the appropriate regulations? Or are people talking about the many vandals
who destroy our countryside by the illegal use of motor vehicles?

Just what is this "off road" business all about?

John Retchford

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Hey. Dont get me wrong. I dont mind people buying a vehicle for their
purpose. Its just their over dominance in the middle of the city by

people

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who call off road taking it outside urban streets. If you use it for
recreational use as they were designed then I have no beef with you.

Pete

Many of those people may use them just for towing, can't beat a 4x4 when a 2
tonne trailer on the back gets a sway happening. Many also find them good
for packing kids & stuff in, boot space is huge, like comparing a Kingswood
panelvan to a wagon. Great at pulling tree stumps out and towing car
trailers or trailers full of mates furniture moving house too, just a great
multipurpose vehicle compared to a sedan which is only ok at carrying
people.

Pat
Brisbane, Australia
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/

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I wasn't going join any further in this thred, content to sit back and
watch the 4wd'ers get all defensive.

But today on a ride, no bull, I saw the aftermath of an accident between
a 4wd Hilux dual cab and a little 2 door Deawoo or something. It was the
corner of Jarrad St and Curtin Ave Cottesloe about 4pm. The Police had
blocked the road one direction, anyone who was there could confirm it.

The little car had some front end damage, the bonnet was missing, but
the cabin and roof were intact, the car obviously didn't flip 360
degrees for example. The airbag had deployed.
The Hilux on the otherhabd was a total write off. It was on its roof,
the roof at the front had almost completely caved in. I would think the
driver would have been in serious trouble. For a vehical practically
designed to easy flipping over, I can't believe they make the roof
pillars so weak.

GK

And yet the anti 4x4 crowd also complain how cars are "always" squashed to
pulps by 4x4's in accidents. Accident out comes are not cut & dry ask a tow
truck driver, some flip some don't, I saw a "not designed for easy flipping
over" Laser on it's roof last week without a 4x4 involved, it's roof didn't
look so hot either, should we ban them too?

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Pat
Brisbane, Australia
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/

"Rainbow Warrior" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: John Doe <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: >
: > Hey. Dont get me wrong. I dont mind people buying a vehicle for their
: > purpose. Its just their over dominance in the middle of the city by
: people
: > who call off road taking it outside urban streets. If you use it for
: > recreational use as they were designed then I have no beef with you.
: >
: > Pete
:
: Many of those people may use them just for towing, can't beat a 4x4 when a
2
: tonne trailer on the back gets a sway happening. Many also find them good
: for packing kids & stuff in, boot space is huge, like comparing a
Kingswood
: panelvan to a wagon. Great at pulling tree stumps out and towing car
: trailers or trailers full of mates furniture moving house too, just a
great
: multipurpose vehicle compared to a sedan which is only ok at carrying
: people.
:
: Pat
: Brisbane, Australia
: http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
:
:
:

I have to disagree. I find them cramped compared to the standard family
wagon. No rear leg room and the rear luggage space is woeful for the
exterior size. I also would be one that would be strongly lobbying to ban
any passenger vehicle that was dragging 2 tonnes along behind it. Is it
legal to tow such a heavy load without a special licence with a passenger
vehicle?

Do you have a bull bar as well?

Peter

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: Many of those people may use them just for towing, can't beat a 4x4 when

a

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2
: tonne trailer on the back gets a sway happening. Many also find them

good

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: for packing kids & stuff in, boot space is huge, like comparing a
Kingswood
: panelvan to a wagon. Great at pulling tree stumps out and towing car
: trailers or trailers full of mates furniture moving house too, just a
great
: multipurpose vehicle compared to a sedan which is only ok at carrying
: people.
:
: Pat

I have to disagree. I find them cramped compared to the standard family
wagon.

Was passenger the whole trip in the backseat of an 85 Patrol to Cape york
and back no problems, riden in the third row seats of one plenty of times
plenty of room how's the third row seating in a Falcodore?

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No rear leg room and the rear luggage space is woeful for the
exterior size.

Wheel a fully assembled 4 burner BBQ into the boot of a Falcodore and repeat
that statement.

I also would be one that would be strongly lobbying to ban

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any passenger vehicle that was dragging 2 tonnes along behind it.

Works Cherry picker, 1.5 tonne, had it behind my Econovan once, but wouldn't
make 5th. Was a bit slow going to Bundaburg on the back of the old 75 series
trayback diesel Landcruiser, but wouldn't have wanted anything lighter when
it got out of shape a couple of times, more power could have been handy
though.

Lighting plant trailer behind of my V8 Rangie 1.4 tonne, no problems
overtaking still.
Hilux & car trailer behind of my Rangie, your guess?
EJ Holden & car trailer behind of my 4cyl 1968 Landy, still made 4th gear
too.
2 Horses in a float trailer ain't light either.

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Is it
legal to tow such a heavy load without a special licence with a passenger
vehicle?

You're allowed to tow legally in most states 1.5 times the weight of the
towing vehicle.

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Do you have a bull bar as well?

Yep, aluminium can strength alloy too, straightened it twice already.

Pat
Brisbane, Australia
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/

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Just what is this "off road" business all about?

buy/hire one and find out
go with someone who does it
very rewarding to get away from the urban noise and away from the usual
picnicing hoards at local parks

the Forestry has a permit system for motor vehicles and bikes,
pushbikes, horses or hikers
each have different areas of access, the non motorised modes can go
almost anywhere

the beaches with public access are classed as roads and all road rules
apply, even speed limits(cops do use radars on the beach)

Kev

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the beaches with public access are classed as roads and all road rules
apply, even speed limits(cops do use radars on the beach)

You're obviously talking about a very different part of the country. As

far

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as I'm aware it is illegal to drive vehicles on beaches throughout

Victoria.

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At last count, as far as I'm aware there were 7 other states and territories
other than Victoria.

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the beaches with public access are classed as roads and all road rules
apply, even speed limits(cops do use radars on the beach)

You're obviously talking about a very different part of the country. As

far

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as I'm aware it is illegal to drive vehicles on beaches throughout

Victoria.

At last count, as far as I'm aware there were 7 other states and

territories

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other than Victoria.

Not too many beaches you can drive on in ACT I suspect :-P

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Pat
Brisbane, Australia
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