Re: 30 rpm

Michael said:

Quoted message said:

Maybe not. But after years of riding mountain bikes with very low gears,
I've come to *hate* straining at low cadences.

That is obviously a mis-attribution. Jobst does not ride mountain
bikes, nor does he hate low cadences.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/

Michael Nospam said:

[email hidden] wrote:

I did not write any part of the following nor have I ever ridden such
a bicycle. Please check your source:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Maybe not. But after years of riding mountain bikes with very low
gears, I've come to *hate* straining at low cadences. When I was
young, I rode a fixed gear everywhere, pushed big gears, and was
known as having a "stomper" pedaling style. Now I'm the opposite.
I spin right past people who are stomping, groaning, and creaking
away at 30 RPM. I tend to push myself harder on climbs rather than
pedal slowly, often dropping my riding parters (who then drop me
later because I've been pushing too hard).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

We had a club ride this weekend, a century with a big 15% climb at
the end. I wound up walking the last mile or so, which I
would/could have ridden if I had a lower gear.

Quoted message said:

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No argument with your hypothesis though. Use it or lose it -- and
most people these days have lost it.

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Matt O.

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Let's say I have been abusing my knees with the big gears up the
hills, and feel a twinge in the left part of my left knee, what's
the proper antidote besides rest? It only twinges during the climb,
and maybe a little after that. After the ride, it seems just fine.

Jobst Brandt
[email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Michael Nospam said:

[email hidden] wrote:

I did not write any part of the following nor have I ever ridden such
a bicycle. Please check your source:

[missing three words: Matt O'Toole writes:]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Maybe not. But after years of riding mountain bikes with very low
gears, I've come to *hate* straining at low cadences. When I was
young, I rode a fixed gear everywhere, pushed big gears, and was
known as having a "stomper" pedaling style. Now I'm the opposite.
I spin right past people who are stomping, groaning, and creaking
away at 30 RPM. I tend to push myself harder on climbs rather than
pedal slowly, often dropping my riding parters (who then drop me
later because I've been pushing too hard).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

We had a club ride this weekend, a century with a big 15% climb at
the end. I wound up walking the last mile or so, which I
would/could have ridden if I had a lower gear.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

No argument with your hypothesis though. Use it or lose it -- and
most people these days have lost it.

[the obvious author of what was mistaken attributed to Jobst
now appears]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Matt O.

[the original poster Michael@nospam now inserts his
question]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Let's say I have been abusing my knees with the big gears up the
hills, and feel a twinge in the left part of my left knee, what's
the proper antidote besides rest? It only twinges during the climb,
and maybe a little after that. After the ride, it seems just fine.

Jobst Brandt
[email hidden]

Dear Jobst and others,

The poster accidentally skipped these three words from
Jobst's post, which began with Matt O'Toole's text:

"Matt O'Toole writes:"

The poster then reproduced Jobst's quote of Matt, without
ever quoting Jobst.

The poster stuck his question in between the end of Matt
O.'s signature and Jobst's.

It's from:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl4038773489d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=QZvvc.14748%24Fo4.200490%40typhoon.sonic.net

which Google, at least, stuck off dangling in left field,
disconnected from the original posts.

Hope everyone's knees feel better.

Carl Fogel

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...> It's
from:

Quoted message said:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl4038773489d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=QZvvc.14748%24Fo4.200490%40typhoon.sonic.net

Quoted message said:

which Google, at least, stuck off dangling in left field,
disconnected from the original posts.

Hope everyone's knees feel better.

Carl Fogel

Thanks, Carl. I completely screwed up that post.

Mike

Michael said:

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...> It's
from:

Quoted message said:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl4038773489d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=QZvvc.14748%24Fo4.200490%40typhoon.sonic.net

Quoted message said:

which Google, at least, stuck off dangling in left field,
disconnected from the original posts.

Hope everyone's knees feel better.

Carl Fogel

Thanks, Carl. I completely screwed up that post.

Mike

Dear Michael,

You're welcome.

Thank heavens the rest of us have never mis-quoted,
misunderstood, or mistaken anything!

As for your knee twinge during climbs that goes away after
you stop, I suspect that knee twinges are nature's way of
telling you to stop doing that, either entirely or else in
terms of some more subtle change.

Since I doubt that you plan to stop climbing, the best
suggestion is to pester a doctor, who might say something
smooth and professional like look, pigeon toes, ya gotta do
something about your shoes and cleats, they're straining
hell outta yer knee. Or he might have you try a knee band.
Or tell you to take two aspirin and wake up ten years
younger in the morning.

If you won't go for a doctor, try the best local bike shop
that you can find. They might say something smooth and
professional like look, shorty, that crank is way too big.
Or raise or drop your seat. Or tell you to try pedals with
more or less float. (Just don't ask them to describe the
anatomy of the knee.)

But take your problem to someone who can at least see where
it hurts when you point at it and let 'em look at it, wiggle
it, poke it, and ask if your grandmother had similar
problems or if it all started after you bought those
funny-looking pedals.

Good luck,

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

Dear Jobst and others,
The poster accidentally skipped these three words from
Jobst's post, which began with Matt O'Toole's text:

"Matt O'Toole writes:"

The poster then reproduced Jobst's quote of Matt, without
ever quoting Jobst.

The poster also failed to add a level of '>', resulting in a perfect
misattribution. A reader paying enough attention may know when one
or the other is missing, but when the attribution line and the quote
level match eachother, one is left to assume that the attribution
line is accurate.

I recommend a proper newsreader, which would take care of the
attribution line and quote level automatically.
--
Rick Onanian