Ray Mears

Geoff Berrow said:

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How about £195 for the Ray Mears Woodlore Knife?

?
But you can make /anything/ with that knife...

Apparently you can't make a spoon. For that you will need the crook (sic)
knife (right or left handed) - £40 (inc VAT).

saki

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What do you think?

I think that his attitude towards the indians on his prog last week was
patronising. He seems to be of the opinion that indians should be
denied the luxuries of modern civilization and have to grub around for
roots and stuff in order to survive.

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Cheers,
Compo

Gordon said:

I think Paul Hogan is a two-movie actor.

The beer ads were better IMO. Though the beer in question is [censored].

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I wouldn't like to arm-wrestle Ray Mears, and he's quite nifty with a
machete, judging by the recent episode I saw...... ;-)
I don't usually watch him, he's too Ozzie and too frenetic for me,

Strange that, Ray's English or a least he was brought up in England.
http://www.raymears.com/ray.cfm?section=aboutray
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Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Paul Saunders said:

AndyP wrote:

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Sod all that making the fire yourself nonsense! ;-)

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Only got one partially going by
friction sticks once and figured the blistered hands weren't worth
the effort to do it again. A magnifying glass was successful once or
twice

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Ah, but could you do it in the middle of winter when most of the wood is
waterlogged or frozen?

When I was a kid I carried a magnifying glass and a bit of slightly
tarry rope I found in a local harbour. Splay the end of the rope,
focus the sun onto a dark bit, blow the resulting ember into a big
glow which then bursts into flame, light fire.

My parents strongly disapproved of kids carrying matches :-)

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Gordon said:

Jim Ford <[email hidden]> wrote

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Hi.

I don't know about you, but whenever I see Ray Mears on the box I always
think that he looks too 'soft' and pudgey to do a lot of energetic treking!
I don't doubt his knowledge and expertise, but he'd be more convincing to me
if he had a 'stringy' Paul Hogan look!

What do you think?

I think Paul Hogan is a two-movie actor.

His best role was by the 'barbie' pitching Australia.

Katherine

are but without there cultural identity intact they would soon all be
drinking fire water in front of the telly like the rest of us
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What do you think?

I think that his attitude towards the indians on his prog last week was
patronising. He seems to be of the opinion that indians should be
denied the luxuries of modern civilization and have to grub around for
roots and stuff in order to survive.

--
Cheers,
Compo

Phil Cook <[email hidden]> wrote

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Gordon said:

I think Paul Hogan is a two-movie actor.

The beer ads were better IMO. Though the beer in question is [censored].

Quoted message said:

I wouldn't like to arm-wrestle Ray Mears, and he's quite nifty with a
machete, judging by the recent episode I saw...... ;-)
I don't usually watch him, he's too Ozzie and too frenetic for me,

Strange that, Ray's English or a least he was brought up in England.
http://www.raymears.com/ray.cfm?section=aboutray

No surprise to me! My son was brought up in England too, but within a
few months of emigrating to Oz he had acquired such an accent that I
could barely understand him. :-)

Surely Ray's is an Ozzie accent?
--
Gordon

John Myers <[email hidden]> wrote

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Just seen Ray in the Amazon jungle last week on his new series, believe it
or not showing the local indians how to make fire using the ol rubbing wood
together trick.
Ray thought the Locals without being patronising mind! ought to learn the
finer arts of fireligting and go back to their roots.

John

The method he showed them is low-tech anyway. A better way is to
construct a bow (as in bow-and-arrow), then wind the bowstring a few
times round the stick you wish to spin against the wood base. Then
you can use a sawing action with the bow to turn the spindle, holding
the top by a small stone with a hollow in it, used as the top bearing,
which you always carry in one pocket of your shorts[1].
This way the spindle can be turned much faster, soon resulting in a
cheery blaze.

[1] These are the standard issue red shorts handed out to all naked
savages by film makers, in order not to shock the audience back home.
--
Gordon

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:18:15 +0100, compo <[email hidden]>

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I think that his attitude towards the indians on his prog last week was
patronising. He seems to be of the opinion that indians should be
denied the luxuries of modern civilization and have to grub around for
roots and stuff in order to survive.

That's not how I saw it; ISTR that he was focusing on the values of
villages and villagers maintaining their indigenous skills and
knowledge at the same time as they did everything else. The village in
the first Amazonian "episode" (week before) had villagers nominated to
show/teach their native skills just to "keep those skills alive". The
village at the end of his trek last week, his final destination
(Yeneck?), were in a different situation; their village was communally
growing cotton. Within the village there was only one woman, elderly,
who could remember how to spin cotton "the old way". She put the loss
of the skill down to social changes in the village such as children
not being around their family to learn the skills (because they were
in school and such like).

SteveO

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Gordon said:

[1] These are the standard issue red shorts handed out to all naked
savages by film makers, in order not to shock the audience back home.

I'm not entirely sure if you're joking or not...

Doki <[email hidden]> wrote

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Gordon said:

[1] These are the standard issue red shorts handed out to all naked
savages by film makers, in order not to shock the audience back home.

I'm not entirely sure if you're joking or not...

Not entirely - they did seem to do that in the old British Hero Explorer
documentaries, I'm sure. Can't see 'em all wearing identical gear
otherwise!
--
Gordon

Gordon said:

Phil Cook <[email hidden]> wrote

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Gordon said:

I think Paul Hogan is a two-movie actor.

The beer ads were better IMO. Though the beer in question is [censored].

Quoted message said:

I wouldn't like to arm-wrestle Ray Mears, and he's quite nifty with a
machete, judging by the recent episode I saw...... ;-)
I don't usually watch him, he's too Ozzie and too frenetic for me,

Strange that, Ray's English or a least he was brought up in England.
http://www.raymears.com/ray.cfm?section=aboutray

No surprise to me! My son was brought up in England too, but within a
few months of emigrating to Oz he had acquired such an accent that I
could barely understand him. :-)

Surely Ray's is an Ozzie accent?

Strewth! You call that an Ozzie accent? Fair dinkum! He's plainly an
Englishman. A Southerner to boot. Perhaps that's why he's so soft.
He's a "Soft Sothern Shandy-Drinking Pooftah."
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Phil Cook said:

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Surely Ray's is an Ozzie accent?

Strewth! You call that an Ozzie accent? Fair dinkum! He's plainly an
Englishman. A Southerner to boot. Perhaps that's why he's so soft.
He's a "Soft Sothern Shandy-Drinking Pooftah."

You tell 'im Phil!

Paul
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Jim Ford <[email hidden]> wrote

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Hi.

I don't know about you, but whenever I see Ray Mears on the box I always
think that he looks too 'soft' and pudgey to do a lot of energetic

treking!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I don't doubt his knowledge and expertise, but he'd be more convincing to

me

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

if he had a 'stringy' Paul Hogan look!

What do you think?

I think Paul Hogan is a two-movie actor.

You didn't see Croc Dundee III then. With the face lift that put his eye
brows somewhere over the crown of his head. I know he was looking a little
craggy, but that face lift looked ridiculous. And don't start me on the
scene with Mike Tyson. It was hard to work out who was the most wooden.

Mind you, I quite liked Lightning Jack (pre-face lift movie).

Have fun,
Paul

Paul Saunders said:

From his small beginnings on that UK outdoor
programme (can't remember the name offhand)

Tracks?

Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> wrote

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Phil Cook said:

Quoted message said:

Surely Ray's is an Ozzie accent?

Strewth! You call that an Ozzie accent? Fair dinkum! He's plainly an
Englishman. A Southerner to boot. Perhaps that's why he's so soft.
He's a "Soft Sothern Shandy-Drinking Pooftah."

You tell 'im Phil!

I know about Suvverners, I live north of 53°.
--
Gordon

Paul Cummings <[email hidden]> wrote

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Jim Ford <[email hidden]> wrote

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Hi.

I don't know about you, but whenever I see Ray Mears on the box I always
think that he looks too 'soft' and pudgey to do a lot of energetic

treking!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I don't doubt his knowledge and expertise, but he'd be more convincing to

me

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

if he had a 'stringy' Paul Hogan look!

What do you think?

I think Paul Hogan is a two-movie actor.

You didn't see Croc Dundee III then.

Nope!

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With the face lift that put his eye
brows somewhere over the crown of his head. I know he was looking a little
craggy, but that face lift looked ridiculous. And don't start me on the
scene with Mike Tyson. It was hard to work out who was the most wooden.

Mind you, I quite liked Lightning Jack (pre-face lift movie).

Have fun,
Paul

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Gordon

Yes he was patronising .... lets deny them the trappings of modern living.
Ray seemed to think they didn't ought to use matches so decided he would
show them the proper way, without diluting their ancient culture. He did
qualify this by saying he was very careful and tactful with the elders as he
didn't want to insult anybody, by infering that they didn't know as much as
him about lighting fires the old fashioned way.
..

John

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What do you think?

I think that his attitude towards the indians on his prog last week was
patronising. He seems to be of the opinion that indians should be
denied the luxuries of modern civilization and have to grub around for
roots and stuff in order to survive.

--
Cheers,
Compo

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SteveO mused:

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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:18:15 +0100, compo <[email hidden]>

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I think that his attitude towards the indians on his prog last week
was patronising. He seems to be of the opinion that indians should
be denied the luxuries of modern civilization and have to grub
around for roots and stuff in order to survive.

That's not how I saw it;

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SteveO said:

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:18:15 +0100, compo <[email hidden]>
wrote:

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Quoted message said:

I think that his attitude towards the indians on his prog last week was
patronising. He seems to be of the opinion that indians should be
denied the luxuries of modern civilization and have to grub around for
roots and stuff in order to survive.

Quoted message said:

That's not how I saw it; ISTR that he was focusing on the values of
villages and villagers maintaining their indigenous skills and
knowledge at the same time as they did everything else. The village in
the first Amazonian "episode" (week before) had villagers nominated to
show/teach their native skills just to "keep those skills alive". The
village at the end of his trek last week, his final destination
(Yeneck?), were in a different situation; their village was communally
growing cotton. Within the village there was only one woman, elderly,
who could remember how to spin cotton "the old way". She put the loss
of the skill down to social changes in the village such as children
not being around their family to learn the skills (because they were
in school and such like).

I recall discussing the kitchen skills and practices of different
cultures with a Thai student of mine. He regretted not having learnt
the wonderful skills of his grandmother, now dead. I asked what skills
he meant, since he was an extemely good Thai cook. He said his
grandmother could go off into the jungle with a cooking pot and a
knife, and five hours later have a nice stew boiling on a camp fire,
with a good tasty mix of vegetables and animals in it.

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Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]