Ravenous after long run

Phil M. said:

After my last 3 long runs I've had a hard time controlling
my appetite. I can easily consume up to 6,000 calories. If
it weren't for the fact that I eventually go to sleep, I'd
consume even more. The next day I usually don't feel like
eating until around noon. This does not seem to be
impacting my weight over the course of a week.

Then why are you worried?

Quoted message said:

Is this something I should learn to control, or should I
just listen to my body and empty the fridge into my
stomach?

Are you consuming any carbs during the long-runs, and how
long are the long runs in the first place?

Lyle

Phil M. said:

After my last 3 long runs I've had a hard time controlling
my appetite. I can easily consume up to 6,000 calories. If
it weren't for the fact that I eventually go to sleep, I'd
consume even more. The next day I usually don't feel like
eating until around noon. This does not seem to be
impacting my weight over the course of a week.

Is this something I should learn to control, or should I
just listen to my body and empty the fridge into my
stomach?

You're talking 2000 calories or so in the one run -- so
you'd expect to be hungry. I think the fact that you're not
hungry the next day means you're overeating a little, but it
seems harmless.

I'm usually pretty damn hungry after long runs too.

FWIW, I take in a good dose of protein and carbs after the
run and that helps (protein smoothie with some extra carbs).
I'm still pretty hungry the rest of the day anyway.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

Pig out!

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Quoted message said:

After my last 3 long runs I've had a hard time controlling
my appetite. I can easily consume up to 6,000 calories. If
it weren't for the fact that I eventually go to sleep, I'd
consume even more. The next day I usually don't feel like
eating until around noon. This does not seem to be
impacting my weight over the course of a week.

Is this something I should learn to control, or should I
just listen to my body and empty the fridge into my
stomach?

Phil M.

You can be kicked out of the man club for counting
calories. Is there anything else you'd like to admit to,
Buttercup? Carb counting, maybe? Sincerely, every sickened
male in America

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Quoted message said:

After my last 3 long runs I've had a hard time
controlling my

appetite. I

Quoted message said:

can easily consume up to 6,000 calories. If it weren't for
the fact

that I

Quoted message said:

eventually go to sleep, I'd consume even more. The next
day I usually

don't

Quoted message said:

feel like eating until around noon. This does not seem to
be impacting

my

Quoted message said:

weight over the course of a week.

Is this something I should learn to control, or should I
just listen

to my

Quoted message said:

body and empty the fridge into my stomach?

For some people, long runs suppress their appetite. What you
describe is exactly me unless it's more than 9 hours. We
often spend the last hour or so talking about what we are
going to eat when we are done. We eat and again, like you, I
sometimes power nap and I'm ready to go the rest of the day.
My weight has been +/- 5 pounds for 15 years.

-DougF

In article <[email hidden]>,

Phil M. said:

After my last 3 long runs I've had a hard time controlling
my appetite. I can easily consume up to 6,000 calories. If
it weren't for the fact that I eventually go to sleep, I'd
consume even more. The next day I usually don't feel like
eating until around noon. This does not seem to be
impacting my weight over the course of a week.

Is this something I should learn to control, or should I
just listen to my body and empty the fridge into my
stomach?

Phil M.

[censored], this sounds like the way i used to eat when i was
half and full marathon training. it didn't help that i
thought about food the whole time i was running, either.
i'd be in the door, stretching while getting some burgers
and potatoes going on the stove (or a whole pizza). it was
never too junky, all homemade and i'm very health-conscious
(close to vegetarian). i'd eat a huge meal, then fruit for
dessert (no cookies or cake in this house), then i'd eat a
bowl of popcorn while i kicked back for a movie. the
amounts were massive.

i gained *a little* weight during all of that. at the time i
felt that all that food was necessary to refuel and for
proper recovery. i did wish i wasn't gaining rather than
losing weight from all of those miles i ran.

but now that i'm looking at shorter training runs and races
(10k or less), i've seen a marked decrease in the need to
eat like there is no tomorrow. i definitely eat smarter,
though i still treat myself to chips and chocolate on a
fairly regular basis.

the timing of your run and your meals may bear consideration
here. if you wait many hours after a meal to go running,
then you may be starving during the run, and will want to
gorge. i'm sure that eating a smaller amount would do you
fine, if you were to try it. it's more in the mind really...
just lick that urge to keep feeding after you have obviously
taken in enough food.

just my two cents,

Cam

Phil M. wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

After my last 3 long runs I've had a hard time controlling
my appetite. I can easily consume up to 6,000 calories. If
it weren't for the fact that I eventually go to sleep, I'd
consume even more. The next day I usually don't feel like
eating until around noon. This does not seem to be
impacting my weight over the course of a week.

Is this something I should learn to control, or
should I just listen to my body and empty the fridge
into my stomach?

These days I always eat a healthy amount during the long run
and the same goes for long bike rides. usually 20-30 oz
accelerade/hour and a GU every 30 to 40 mins, and usually
some kind of protien/carb bar as well. Then right after the
run a high carb shake and pretzels if I feel like eating.
Then I sometimes nibble a little but I don't usually have
cravings, and I'm back to normal eating by dinnertime.
Eating during the run helps with recovery.

- Tony

"Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

After my last 3 long runs I've had a hard time controlling
my appetite. I can easily consume up to 6,000 calories. If
it weren't for the fact that I eventually go to sleep, I'd
consume even more. The next day I usually

don't

Quoted message said:

feel like eating until around noon. This does not seem to
be impacting my weight over the course of a week.

Is this something I should learn to control, or should I
just listen to my body and empty the fridge into my
stomach?

I get the same thing, and can consume amazing amounts of
food as well. I find that it's not a problem, but if I feel
the need to curb the hunger I find a protein shake does the
trick. They make me feel quite full for some time.

After a race I allow myself to eat anything. Usually it a
whole large three-topping pizza to myself with a bottle of
shiraz or maybe a local cabernet franc. mmmmm. 🙂

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org
www.absolutelyaccurate.com

Thats one of things your body and sugar metabolism *slowly*
gets better at. I'm talking about years and decades. I used
to get cranky on long runs the first year, probably due to
low blood sugar, not much so after some years.

IMO, giving into the urge to totally pig out is why most
runners are above optimal weight...Of course, if they
weren't usually 10-25 lbs overweight, I wouldn't place as
well, so keep at it!

I eat a bit more on my long run days, but unfortunately, one
doesn't need to eat much to keep at a good running weight --
typically I eat 2500 - 3000 cals/day on 80 mpw. I might eat
over 5,000 cals on the day of a 50 miler, though. I'm 148
lbs at 5'8".

I also find that tough runs suppress my appetite -- I have
to work at eating 600 to 800 cals of high-carb food right
after a tough long run. (as we know, that's when carbs
replenish muscles best)

And after speedwork, my appetite is suppressed for 4 - 5
hours. This is probably why the fanatical / serious runners
lose those last few lbs while in the sharpening phase.

-- Dan

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Quoted message said:

After my last 3 long runs I've had a hard time controlling
my appetite. I can easily consume up to 6,000 calories. If
it weren't for the fact that I eventually go to sleep, I'd
consume even more. The next day I usually

don't

Quoted message said:

feel like eating until around noon. This does not seem to
be impacting my weight over the course of a week.

Is this something I should learn to control, or should I
just listen to my body and empty the fridge into my
stomach?

Phil M.

--
If you can empty your own boat Crossing the river of the
world, No one will oppose you, No one will seek to harm
you. -Chuang Tzu

Donovan Rebbechi said:

Phil M. said:

After my last 3 long runs I've had a hard time controlling
my appetite. I can easily consume up to 6,000 calories. If
it weren't for the fact that I eventually go to sleep, I'd
consume even more. The next day I usually don't feel like
eating until around noon. This does not seem to be
impacting my weight over the course of a week.

Is this something I should learn to control, or should I
just listen to my body and empty the fridge into my
stomach?

You're talking 2000 calories or so in the one run -- so
you'd expect to be hungry. I think the fact that you're
not hungry the next day means you're overeating a little,
but it seems harmless.

I'm usually pretty damn hungry after long runs too.

FWIW, I take in a good dose of protein and carbs after
the run and that helps (protein smoothie with some
extra carbs). I'm still pretty hungry the rest of the
day anyway.

do you take anything during the run?

Lyle

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Quoted message said:

Phil M. said:

After my last 3 long runs I've had a hard time
controlling my appetite. I can easily consume up to 6,000
calories. If it weren't for the fact that I eventually go
to sleep, I'd consume even more. The next day I usually
don't feel like eating until around noon. This does not
seem to be impacting my weight over the course of a week.

Then why are you worried?

Quoted message said:

Is this something I should learn to control, or should I
just listen to my body and empty the fridge into my
stomach?

Are you consuming any carbs during the long-runs

Pre-run - oatmeal w/whey powder, coffee, 20 oz Cytomax (400
kcal, 65 g carbs)

During run - 80 oz Cytomax (500 kcal, 100 g carbs)

Post run (within 15 minutes of finish) - 24 oz Cytomax, Slim
Fast smoothie including slim-fast, skim milk, whey powder,
banana (750 kcal, 140g carbs)

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and how long are the long runs in the first place?

18 to 20 miles

Phil M.

Lyle u and i both with me if am not sleeping / i am eating
/ plodzilla

Lyle McDonald said:

Phil M. said:

After my last 3 long runs I've had a hard time
controlling my appetite. I can easily consume up to
6,000 calories. If it weren't for the fact that I
eventually go to sleep, I'd consume even more. The next
day I usually don't feel like eating until around noon.
This does not seem to be impacting my weight over the
course of a week.

Then why are you worried?

Quoted message said:

Is this something I should learn to control, or should I
just listen to my body and empty the fridge into my
stomach?

Are you consuming any carbs during the long-runs, and how
long are the long runs in the first place?

Lyle

I once ran 22 miles in the heat then accidentally got the
order of my food wrong. I ate some oily fish first instead
of all the great (read: GREAT!) cakes, custard and syrupy
sugar drinks waiting in my fridge.

It was awful, the %$£^$ing fish put my off all the great
food I'd been looking forward to over the last 4 miles of
the run. I was ok after about half an hour but, as you know,
that's a long time to wait and it's not the same if you
can't tuck in straight away.

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Pig out!

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

After my last 3 long runs I've had a hard time
controlling my appetite.

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

can easily consume up to 6,000 calories. If it weren't
for the fact that

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

eventually go to sleep, I'd consume even more. The next
day I usually

don't

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

feel like eating until around noon. This does not seem
to be impacting

my

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

weight over the course of a week.

Is this something I should learn to control, or should I
just listen to

my

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

body and empty the fridge into my stomach?

Phil M.

Now that Cam the moron has spoken, I'll warn you on this
idiots advice. Even though you gain no weight, your
cholesterol can skyrocket from eating this much food intake.
If you plan on continuing down this path, at least be
monitored by a Dr.

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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Phil M. said:

After my last 3 long runs I've had a hard time
controlling my appetite. I can easily consume up to
6,000 calories. If it weren't for the fact that I
eventually go to sleep, I'd consume even more. The next
day I usually don't feel like eating until around noon.
This does not seem to be impacting my weight over the
course of a week.

Is this something I should learn to control, or should I
just listen to my body and empty the fridge into my
stomach?

Phil M.

[censored], this sounds like the way i used to eat when i was
half and full marathon training. it didn't help that i
thought about food the whole time i was running, either.
i'd be in the door, stretching while getting some burgers
and potatoes going on the stove (or a whole pizza). it was
never too junky, all homemade and i'm very health-
conscious (close to vegetarian). i'd eat a huge meal, then
fruit for dessert (no cookies or cake in this house), then
i'd eat a bowl of popcorn while i kicked back for a movie.
the amounts were massive.

i gained *a little* weight during all of that. at the time
i felt that all that food was necessary to refuel and for
proper recovery. i did wish i wasn't gaining rather than
losing weight from all of those miles i ran.

but now that i'm looking at shorter training runs and
races (10k or less), i've seen a marked decrease in the
need to eat like there is no tomorrow. i definitely eat
smarter, though i still treat myself to chips and
chocolate on a fairly regular basis.

the timing of your run and your meals may bear
consideration here. if you wait many hours after a meal to
go running, then you may be starving during the run, and
will want to gorge. i'm sure that eating a smaller amount
would do you fine, if you were to try it. it's more in the
mind really... just lick that urge to keep feeding after
you have obviously taken in enough food.

just my two cents,

Cam

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Quoted message said:

Phil M. wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

After my last 3 long runs I've had a hard time controlling
my appetite. I can easily consume up to 6,000 calories. If
it weren't for the fact that I eventually go to sleep, I'd
consume even more. The next day I usually don't feel like
eating until around noon. This does not seem to be
impacting my weight over the course of a week.

Is this something I should learn to control, or should I
just listen to my body and empty the fridge into my
stomach?

These days I always eat a healthy amount during the long
run and the same goes for long bike rides. usually 20-30
oz accelerade/hour and a GU every 30 to 40 mins, and
usually some kind of protien/carb bar as well. Then right
after the run a high carb shake and pretzels if I feel
like eating. Then I sometimes nibble a little but I don't
usually have cravings, and I'm back to normal eating by
dinnertime. Eating during the run helps with recovery.

I usualy have about 400 calores before the run, 500 calories
during the run, and 750 calories right after the run. So I
guess I need to up the calories during the run. Or, like
Lyle said, "What are you worried about?" I'll just eat like
crazy all day.

--
If you can empty your own boat Crossing the river of the
world, No one will oppose you, No one will seek to harm you.
-Chuang Tzu

One dark day on Usenet, "Dan Stumpus" <[email hidden]> said
:"]news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

IMO, giving into the urge to totally pig out is why most
runners are above optimal weight...Of course, if they
weren't usually 10-25 lbs overweight, I wouldn't place as
well, so keep at it!

Unless I lose a lot of upper body muscle, I think 160 is
about as low as I should go without losing strength. All
that time spent in the gym in the 80s trying to look like
Arnold is coming back to haunt me now. Reminds me of Lance
Armstrong improving his performance by losing upper body
mass during his cancer episode. Not something I want to do.

Quoted message said:

I eat a bit more on my long run days, but unfortunately,
one doesn't need to eat much to keep at a good running
weight -- typically I eat 2500 - 3000 cals/day on 80 mpw.
I might eat over 5,000 cals on the day of a 50 miler,
though. I'm 148 lbs at 5'8".

I average 2800 cals/day on 60 mpw. Assuming I'm burning an
average of 900 calories per day by running, I'm around 2000
calories as my metabolic rate.

Quoted message said:

I also find that tough runs suppress my appetite -- I have
to work at eating 600 to 800 cals of high-carb food right
after a tough long run. (as we know, that's when carbs
replenish muscles best)

Quite the opposite here. Half way through a run I'm already
thinking of what I'll be eating when I get home.

Quoted message said:

And after speedwork, my appetite is suppressed for 4 -
5 hours. This is probably why the fanatical / serious
runners lose those last few lbs while in the
sharpening phase.

I don't do a lot of speedwork, just a tempo run once a week.
But again, this makes me even more ravenous.

I guess this is one of the reasons I like runing. I can eat
as much as I want and not gain weight. ;-)

Phil M.

--
If you can empty your own boat Crossing the river of the
world, No one will oppose you, No one will seek to harm you.
-Chuang Tzu

Lyle McDonald said:

Donovan Rebbechi said:

Phil M. said:

After my last 3 long runs I've had a hard time
controlling my appetite. I can easily consume up to 6,000
calories. If it weren't for the fact that I eventually go
to sleep, I'd consume even more. The next day I usually
don't feel like eating until around noon. This does not
seem to be impacting my weight over the course of a week.

Is this something I should learn to control, or should I
just listen to my body and empty the fridge into my
stomach?

You're talking 2000 calories or so in the one run -- so
you'd expect to be hungry. I think the fact that you're
not hungry the next day means you're overeating a little,
but it seems harmless.

I'm usually pretty damn hungry after long runs too.

FWIW, I take in a good dose of protein and carbs after
the run and that helps (protein smoothie with some extra
carbs). I'm still pretty hungry the rest of the day
anyway.

do you take anything during the run?

Sometimes, but even then it amounts to less than 200
calories.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 08:59:21 GMT, "Phil M."
<[email hidden]> wrote: <snip>

Quoted message said:

I usualy have about 400 calores before the run, 500
calories during the run, and 750 calories right after the
run. So I guess I need to up the calories during the run.
Or, like Lyle said, "What are you worried about?" I'll just
eat like crazy all day.

i've been thinking about this lately. i see myself and the
other runners chowing down big-time after short races. say
we used 500 calories (which I doubt) on the 5Ks. we shove
back about 1000 to 1500. maybe this is why none (or almost
none) of the runners are real tight-bodied.

so, i drank more water and juice. ate a few cookies. but
stayed away from the high caloric cream cheese. there aren't
very many people that couldn't stand to lose a pound or two
of fat and i can too. this is a good opportunity. ...thehick