[rant] Idiots at Shimano

Werehatrack said:

Well, the *&^%$#@ idiots at Shimano who build the company website seem
to have decided to script the bloody thing in a manner that my
security settings won't support in any of the browsers that I run. I
have no doubt whatsoever that they do not, in any way, shape or form,
actually *need* any of those gongs and calliopes to deliver the
content; it's purely an exercise in technical [censored]-wagging, and I,
for one, have had more than enough of it.

They can fix the damn thing or just accept the fact that lots of
people won't see their wankings. Any advertising that can't be
delivered is worthless, but they do not seem to have figured that out.

Resistance is futile.
This is part of the assimilation process.
There is nothing to fear.

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Quoted message said:

Well, the *&^%$#@ idiots at Shimano who build the company website seem
to have decided to script the bloody thing in a manner that my
security settings won't support in any of the browsers that I run.

[censored] at them, not us.

Quoted message said:

[censored] at them, not us.

Can you possibly be more hypocritical?
I don't mind Werehatrack's rant, but if you
do, then [censored] at him, not us, Einstein.

Werehatrack said:

They can fix the damn thing or just accept the fact that lots of
people won't see their wankings. Any advertising that can't be
delivered is worthless, but they do not seem to have figured that

out.

Quoted message said:

--

It looks like the home page at http://www.shimano.com/ is all bent out
of shape. There's no difference in appearance between
http://www.shimano.com/publish/content/portal/all/all/en.html and
http://www.shimano.com/publish/content/portal/all/all/en/Cycling/NorthAmerica.html

I'd bet they're updating the pages and there's still some wires hanging
loose. I'd guess they don't have anything in the way of formal software
QA- a common failing among smaller companies who depend on outsourced
software development.

I've always looked at http://www.shimano-europe.com/cycling/ anyway.
It's got a wider range of content that's easier for me to access.
Jeff Wills (unemployed software QA guy)

Some web designers are clueless; they want to add the latest and
greatest, blah blah blah. But the worse sin is that they rarely test
under alternative browsers. Weather.com does not work properly under
current Gecko derivatives, for example. I could go on and on.

But in this case, I have to say the blame is likely to be yours. I run
multiple browsers (IE 5.5, IE 6.0, Netscape 7.0, Firefox 1.0, Konqueror
3.2.1, Galeon 1.3.12, Amaya .....) and in secure environments, both at
the workstation and at the firewall level. Shimano's site works fine
in all. If I can get it it work in IE 6.0 under XP SP 2 with all
firewalling turned on sitting behind a hardware firewall that blocks
JavaScript then I do not see why you should have problems unless you
have done something strange.

- rick

Jeff Wills said:

Quoted message said:

They can fix the damn thing or just accept the fact that lots of
people won't see their wankings. Any advertising that can't be
delivered is worthless, but they do not seem to have figured that
out.

Quoted message said:

It looks like the home page at

http://www.shimano.com/

Quoted message said:

is all bent out of shape. There's no difference in appearance
between

http://www.shimano.com/publish/content/portal/all/all/en.html and
http://www.shimano.com/publish/content/portal/all/all/en/Cycling/NorthAmerica.html

I suspect there are other things afoot because all three of the URL's
above show the same result on my screen, and load at the same rate.
It may be my Windows XP that is different but it seems to have no
problem.

Quoted message said:

I'd bet they're updating the pages and there's still some wires
hanging loose. I'd guess they don't have anything in the way of
formal software QA- a common failing among smaller companies who
depend on outsourced software development.

Quoted message said:

I've always looked at

http://www.shimano-europe.com/cycling/

Quoted message said:

anyway. It's got a wider range of content that's easier for me to
access.

I've found that site better all along. I don't understand why Shimano
separates the two.

Jobst Brandt
[email hidden]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:34:15 GMT, [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Jeff Wills said:

I've always looked at

http://www.shimano-europe.com/cycling/

Quoted message said:

anyway. It's got a wider range of content that's easier for me to
access.

I've found that site better all along. I don't understand why Shimano
separates the two.

Perhaps the people at Shimano Europe have a clue, and insist upon a
more useful site.
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Quoted message said:

... If I can get it it work in IE 6.0 under XP SP 2 with all
firewalling turned on sitting behind a hardware firewall that blocks
JavaScript then I do not see why you should have problems unless you
have done something strange.

Firefox, Mozilla, IE6, and Opera all produce the same result here; a
circular return to the same page regardless of which link is clicked.

It may be that they have elected to engage the services of one of the
data harvesting firms that I have permanently blackholed, and have
rewritten their code to fail to deliver the content should the
tracking site's response not come back. If somebody wants to track
what I'm doing, they can bloody well tell me so and ask my permission
in advance.
--
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Quoted message said:

Werehatrack said:

They can fix the damn thing or just accept the fact that lots of
people won't see their wankings. Any advertising that can't be
delivered is worthless, but they do not seem to have figured that

out.

Quoted message said:

--

It looks like the home page at http://www.shimano.com/ is all bent out
of shape. There's no difference in appearance between
http://www.shimano.com/publish/content/portal/all/all/en.html and

http://www.shimano.com/publish/content/portal/all/all/en/Cycling/NorthAmerica.html

Quoted message said:

I'd bet they're updating the pages and there's still some wires hanging
loose. I'd guess they don't have anything in the way of formal software
QA- a common failing among smaller companies who depend on outsourced
software development.

I've always looked at http://www.shimano-europe.com/cycling/ anyway.
It's got a wider range of content that's easier for me to access.
Jeff Wills (unemployed software QA guy)

Well Jeff.. Your in luck..
http://www.dimension.jobsdb.com/Default.asp?PID=1&AC=SHIMANO&EC=001&GC=&LID=1&SP=1&2521914243698

Jim Weeks
also a software QA guy

Try the European site.

Werehatrack said:

Quoted message said:

... If I can get it it work in IE 6.0 under XP SP 2 with all
firewalling turned on sitting behind a hardware firewall that blocks
JavaScript then I do not see why you should have problems unless you
have done something strange.

Firefox, Mozilla, IE6, and Opera all produce the same result here; a
circular return to the same page regardless of which link is clicked.

It may be that they have elected to engage the services of one of the
data harvesting firms that I have permanently blackholed, and have
rewritten their code to fail to deliver the content should the
tracking site's response not come back. If somebody wants to track
what I'm doing, they can bloody well tell me so and ask my permission
in advance.

Maybe they read this and fixed it, but I can access it with no problem
using Firefox 1.0, ZoneAlarm, and a hardware dsl router. I have pretty
tight security, but did allow the Shimano sites to set cookies.

Dave

: I suspect there are other things afoot because all three of the URL's
: above show the same result on my screen, and load at the same rate.
: It may be my Windows XP that is different but it seems to have no
: problem.

I didn't have any problem, either, with all 3 sites.

Pat in TX

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:04:25 GMT, Werehatrack <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Well, the *&^%$#@ idiots at Shimano who build the company website seem
to have decided to script the bloody thing in a manner that my
security settings won't support in any of the browsers that I run. I
have no doubt whatsoever that they do not, in any way, shape or form,
actually *need* any of those gongs and calliopes to deliver the
content; it's purely an exercise in technical [censored]-wagging, and I,
for one, have had more than enough of it.

They can fix the damn thing or just accept the fact that lots of
people won't see their wankings. Any advertising that can't be
delivered is worthless, but they do not seem to have figured that out.

More of the same lousy, inconsiderate web authoring we see in this industry.
You'll notice the online retailers don't have [censored] like this, their pages have
just enough features and load fast.

Now about your name here....

Werehatrack?

A creature that turns into a haberdasher's furnishing at the full moon?

"We're hatrack?"

We rehat, rack.

were hatr? ack.

We reha track.

Can I buy a clue, Alex?

Ron

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:30:23 GMT, RonSonic <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Now about your name here....

Werehatrack?

A creature that turns into a haberdasher's furnishing at the full moon?

Yup.

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Werehatrack said:

It may be that they have elected to engage the services of one of the
data harvesting firms that I have permanently blackholed, and have
rewritten their code to fail to deliver the content should the
tracking site's response not come back. If somebody wants to track
what I'm doing, they can bloody well tell me so and ask my permission
in advance.

A lot of our bike club members who connected to the Internet using our
local cable company used to complain to our webmaster about not being
able to acess certain pages on our website. Our webmaster told them to
clean the History cache, the cookies cache and the temperory Internet
files. Nothing worked. Until we noticed that people who were using ADSL
didn't have the problem. The problem was resolved when we contacted the
cable company. I think it had to do something with DSN or something.

Kenny

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:42:52 +0800, Kenny <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Werehatrack said:

It may be that they have elected to engage the services of one of the
data harvesting firms that I have permanently blackholed, and have
rewritten their code to fail to deliver the content should the
tracking site's response not come back. If somebody wants to track
what I'm doing, they can bloody well tell me so and ask my permission
in advance.

A lot of our bike club members who connected to the Internet using our
local cable company used to complain to our webmaster about not being
able to acess certain pages on our website. Our webmaster told them to
clean the History cache, the cookies cache and the temperory Internet
files. Nothing worked. Until we noticed that people who were using ADSL
didn't have the problem. The problem was resolved when we contacted the
cable company. I think it had to do something with DSN or something.

It's not a dns problem. There's a system here which runs at an unsafe
security level; it can access the site just fine...and it's not on the
same part of the household network as a result. Now, it's not that I
don't trust Shimano...but no, wait, it *is* that I don't trust Shimano
any more than I trust anyone else when it comes to running their code
on my system without my knowledge and permission.
--
Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
Some gardening required to reply via email.
Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

Jim Weeks said:

Quoted message said:

Jeff Wills (unemployed software QA guy)

Well Jeff.. Your in luck..

http://www.dimension.jobsdb.com/Default.asp?PID=1&AC=SHIMANO&EC=001&GC=&LID=1&SP=1&2521914243698

Quoted message said:

That should be "you're", not "your"
And there ain't no way
I'll be moving to Singapore

Jeff (not a poet)

Quoted message said:

Jeff Wills writes:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

I suspect there are other things afoot because all three of the URL's
above show the same result on my screen, and load at the same rate.
It may be my Windows XP that is different but it seems to have no
problem.

Well, that's what I'm seeing also... but the very fact that all three
pages appear identical, and that I can navigate from one to the other
*with no apparent change in appearance* indicates to me that there's a
bug somewhere. Whether it's a bug in design or in implementation
doesn't concern me right now. As Mr. Werehatrack said: it's broken to
the point of being unusable. The site should never have gone "live" in
the state it's in.

Jeff

Quoted message said:

Firefox, Mozilla, IE6, and Opera all produce the same result
here; a circular return to the same page regardless of which
link is clicked.

It may be that they have elected to engage the services of
one of the data harvesting firms that I have permanently
blackholed, and have rewritten their code to fail to deliver
the content should the tracking site's response not come back.

They're not that smart: I get the same result with no blackholing, and
no security blockage. The site is just b0rken.

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to recommend it, and, unlike other foolish crazes,
it has not died out." -- The Daily Telegraph (1877)