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  1. To most serious cyclists this may seem like blasphemy but I would like
    to listen to a radio on my daily trip. I have tried several portable
    radios, but none can keep a constant volume as the bike changes
    direction. It seems that the antennas are very directional, so that when
    the bike changes direction the signal strength changes drastically. This
    is true on either AM or FM. Any info on how to setup a radio so that the
    signal strength is adequate and uniform would be appreciated.

    Thanks,
    EJ in NJ

  2. Besides blasphemy this is unsafe.

  3. E Willson said:

    To most serious cyclists this may seem like blasphemy but I would like
    to listen to a radio on my daily trip. I have tried several portable
    radios, but none can keep a constant volume as the bike changes
    direction. It seems that the antennas are very directional, so that when
    the bike changes direction the signal strength changes drastically. This
    is true on either AM or FM. Any info on how to setup a radio so that the
    signal strength is adequate and uniform would be appreciated.

    Thanks,
    EJ in NJ

    I think a lot of portable radios aren't meant to be "mobile" radios,
    which could be your problem.

    I would think that a higher quality antenna might work, or just a higher
    quality radio. What have you tried so far? Are you using a
    Walkman-style radio or a little portable job with a speaker?

    -Bill H.

  4. gds wrote:
    :: Besides blasphemy this is unsafe.

    Why? I ride with Mp3 player and I don't feel unsafe at all.

  5. Quoted message said:
    E Willson said:

    To most serious cyclists this may seem like blasphemy but I would like
    to listen to a radio on my daily trip. I have tried several portable
    radios, but none can keep a constant volume as the bike changes
    direction. It seems that the antennas are very directional, so that
    when the bike changes direction the signal strength changes
    drastically. This is true on either AM or FM. Any info on how to setup
    a radio so that the signal strength is adequate and uniform would be
    appreciated.

    Thanks,
    EJ in NJ

    I think a lot of portable radios aren't meant to be "mobile" radios,
    which could be your problem.

    I would think that a higher quality antenna might work, or just a higher
    quality radio. What have you tried so far? Are you using a
    Walkman-style radio or a little portable job with a speaker?

    -Bill H.

    Bill,
    Thanks for your reply. I have tried two small oportables, one Radio
    Shack AM/FM, and one Grundig Mini World 100 AM/FM/SW.

    EJ in NJ

  6. gds said:

    Besides blasphemy this is unsafe.


    Gary,
    Thanks for the comment. Is this any more unsafe than driving a car with
    the radio on?

    EJ in NJ

  7. Roger Zoul said:

    gds wrote:
    :: Besides blasphemy this is unsafe.

    Why? I ride with Mp3 player and I don't feel unsafe at all.

    Don't you feel that whatever you are listening to has some negative
    impact on your ability to hear the sounds of : 1) other cyclists coming
    up on you 2) motor vehicles 3) etc.?
    I'm not claiming it will "cause" an accident but certainly it is a
    distraction that ups the probabilty (in a negative way).

  8. E Willson said:
    gds said:

    Besides blasphemy this is unsafe.


    Gary,
    Thanks for the comment. Is this any more unsafe than driving a car with
    the radio on?

    I can't so won't try to quote statistics. But I have read that
    listening to the radio in a car results in a higher accident rate than
    when non listening. There is certainly a lot of controversy about other
    distraction for drivers such as cell phone use, dvd players, etc.

    So, for both drivers and cyclists I think that distractions and the
    inability to hear traffic noise are a problem but I do not know if the
    problem is worse in one case or the other.

    It seems to me that cyclists tend to be more awre of things going on
    around them as they are not cocooned in a lot of metal. This lack of a
    cocoon also makes the cyclist a bit more at risk of serious
    consequences if a casual "bump" were to happen.

    FWIW I shut off my car radio whenever I am in high traffic situations
    or any other time I want my attention to be highly focused.

  9. gds said:

    E Willson wrote:


    Gary,

    This is an interesting thread I had not anticipated when I posted the
    technical question.

    I like your answer. I shut off my car radio in high traffic situations
    also. Moreover, I think the danger of listening to the radio in "normal"
    situations where I live (rural countryside) is quite low, particularly
    if I am not wearing earphones.

    I would support a total ban on cell phones while driving, although I
    have to admit I have taken calls on my bicycle.

    EJ in NJ

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    gds said:

    Besides blasphemy this is unsafe.

    Gary,
    Thanks for the comment. Is this any more unsafe than driving a car with
    the radio on?

    I can't so won't try to quote statistics. But I have read that
    listening to the radio in a car results in a higher accident rate than
    when non listening. There is certainly a lot of controversy about other
    distraction for drivers such as cell phone use, dvd players, etc.

    So, for both drivers and cyclists I think that distractions and the
    inability to hear traffic noise are a problem but I do not know if the
    problem is worse in one case or the other.

    It seems to me that cyclists tend to be more awre of things going on
    around them as they are not cocooned in a lot of metal. This lack of a
    cocoon also makes the cyclist a bit more at risk of serious
    consequences if a casual "bump" were to happen.

    FWIW I shut off my car radio whenever I am in high traffic situations
    or any other time I want my attention to be highly focused.

  10. E Willson wrote:
    :: To most serious cyclists this may seem like blasphemy but I would
    :: like to listen to a radio on my daily trip. I have tried several
    :: portable radios, but none can keep a constant volume as the bike
    :: changes direction. It seems that the antennas are very directional,

    The antennas aren't very directional....it's just that conditions change
    along your route and reception changes.

    :: so that when the bike changes direction the signal strength changes
    :: drastically.

    Is your path along an open area with no buildings, hills, or foilage? If
    not, then it is unreasoanble to expect anything close to a constant signal
    strength all the time

    This is true on either AM or FM. Any info on how to
    :: setup a radio so that the signal strength is adequate and uniform
    :: would be appreciated.

    Buy a mobile satellite radio receiver that has the ability to record several
    hours of programming. Record it at times you're not riding (at a location
    where you have good reception) and listen while you ride. Or, get an iPod
    Shuttle and download Podcasts. Listen to those while you ride. You can
    record radio and convert to mp3 if you want.

    If you can't hear someone speaking (at normal volume) while standing near
    you while you are listening on your bike, your volume is too loud, IMO. If
    you can drown out wind noise will riding, your volume is too load, IMO. If
    you don't have an eyeglass mounted mirror on your face while riding and
    listening, you're crazy, IMO. Well, maybe not on that last one, but the
    mirror increases situational awareness and IMO, helps to train you not to
    depend on hearing while riding.

  11. gds wrote:
    :: Roger Zoul wrote:
    ::: gds wrote:
    ::::: Besides blasphemy this is unsafe.
    :::
    ::: Why? I ride with Mp3 player and I don't feel unsafe at all.
    ::
    :: Don't you feel that whatever you are listening to has some negative
    :: impact on your ability to hear the sounds of : 1) other cyclists
    :: coming up on you 2) motor vehicles 3) etc.?

    No....wind noise makes my ability to hear sounds iffy away. So I don't
    depend on hearing. I use a eyeglass mounted Take-A-Look mirror to look. I
    always see cyclist coming and most of the time I see cars coming too. But
    if I don't see the car it's because it came up really quickly and wind noise
    caused me not to hear it either. Also, I'm very careful not to have the
    volume up too loud. A cyclist passing can talk and I can hear. Not long
    again a lady was running on my side of the road. I car came up from behind
    me and forced her onto the grass after passing me. I got over a bit as I got
    to her so she could get back on the pavement. She said thanks. No problem
    hearing any of it.

    :: I'm not claiming it will "cause" an accident but certainly it is a
    :: distraction that ups the probabilty (in a negative way).

    One time I was riding along a quiet country road early in the am....before I
    started using the MP3 player. I was lost in my own thoughts, as it's so
    quiet and peaceful out there. I saw this guy in a truck ahead making a
    right turn and coming toward me. I was approaching a place where a right
    turn could be made from my lane into a drive. The guy in the truck slowed
    to make a left into that same drive. I'm passively thinking surely he sees
    me there as I'm out in the lane in full view - just me and just him. Yet, I
    failed to make eye-contact with him to be sure...and sure as [censored] he started
    his turn just as I was passing the drive. He saw me at the last minute just
    as I had decided to go off road to get more distance between his truck and
    me.

    My point is that if I can be distracted by my own thoughts, then having an
    Mp3 player on my head ain' gonna make a whole lot of difference. But since
    I tend to listen to fast songs on it, it tends to help me pedal a bit faster
    which then decreases my changes of falling asleep on the bike. Just a
    theory, no proof. However, after riding with an Mp3 player for a while now,
    I don't feel one bit less safe or more distracted than I did before. And
    I'm a very cautious person by nature.

  12. E Willson wrote:

    :: I would support a total ban on cell phones while driving, although I
    :: have to admit I have taken calls on my bicycle.

    Now that takes balls, IMO. I keep my cell off almost all the time....

  13. Roger Zoul wrote:
    Also, I'm very careful not to have the

    Quoted message said:

    volume up too loud. A cyclist passing can talk and I can hear. Not long
    again a lady was running on my side of the road. I car came up from behind
    me and forced her onto the grass after passing me. I got over a bit as I got
    to her so she could get back on the pavement. She said thanks. No problem
    hearing any of it.

    If you can still hear things around you as well or almost as well as if
    you were not listening I imagine that any extra risk is minimal.
    However, I find it hard to imagine that if you can hear the music it
    doesn't have some negative effect on hearing other things.

    Quoted message said:


    My point is that if I can be distracted by my own thoughts, then having an
    Mp3 player on my head ain' gonna make a whole lot of difference.

    Well that is true. But I guess my point is that it is the rider's
    responsibility to remain not distracted and if listening to music has
    a negative impact on this I think it has a negative impact on safety.

    I'm not trying to make a major case out of this but my personal
    experience is that when I overtake cyclists who are listening to music
    using earphones that they "never" have a clue that I have come up
    alongside until I am in their sight line. That said that is often true
    for cyclist not listening to music. However, I usually call out to warn
    folks that I am overtaking and the folks with earphones seem to never
    hear the warning while most others do.

  14. E Willson said:


    Gary,
    Thanks for the comment. Is this any more unsafe than driving a car with
    the radio on?

    EJ,

    Here's my take on the issue. I don't listen to music/radio while riding
    for a couple of reasons:

    1. I find hearing to be a key sense in figuring out what's going on around
    me. For example, as a vehicle is passing me, I track its approach with
    occasional glances in the helmet mirror, and then I can see it as it pulls
    alongside and past. But, there's a time when the car gets close enough
    that I can track it by listening (even for fairly quiet cars), and I don't
    have to keep glancing in the mirror.

    Another example is if a car is following me, I can hear the engine rev --
    this gives me a cue that something is happening, and I know it without
    looking and before any visual cues regardless. And the pattern of revving
    can be a cue in identifying maniacs.

    In a car, these subtle cues are mostly moot because of closed windows,
    wind noise, engine noise, etc.

    2. Listening to something decreases my situational awareness. Like others
    in this thread, I turn off my car radio when I need full concentration on
    the road. I think that appropriate situational awareness is greater on a
    bicycle than a car (due to lack of steel cage and other protective
    technology).

    To answer your actual question, I don't believe either FM or AM antennas
    are particularly directional. However, they may be polarized, i.e. a
    horizontal antenna would be practically useless. (The same applies for
    cell phones, which is why you should hold them roughly vertically in use.)

    Also, a portable device might be too small for a really effective radio. I
    believe FM and AM require longish antennas, on the order of a couple of
    feet. One thing you could try is using your frame as an antenna, or tape
    an antenna along your seat tube.

    Good luck,

    Reid

  15. Roger Zoul said:

    E Willson wrote:

    :: I would support a total ban on cell phones while driving, although I
    :: have to admit I have taken calls on my bicycle.

    Now that takes balls, IMO. I keep my cell off almost all the time....

    Nah, it's especially easy if you've zip-tied a cell-holder to the stem.
    SMS'ing definitely a little more challenging though.

    *cough*
    Not that I would do that while I was riding the bike.
    *cough*

    --
    Dane Buson - z u v e m b i @ u n i x b i g o t s . o r g
    Unquestionably, there is progress. The average American now pays out
    twice as much in taxes as he formerly got in wages.
    -- H. L. Mencken

  16. Roger,
    It may take balls (to use the cell), but I never said it took brains :^))

    EJ in NJ

    Roger Zoul said:

    E Willson wrote:

    :: I would support a total ban on cell phones while driving, although I
    :: have to admit I have taken calls on my bicycle.

    Now that takes balls, IMO. I keep my cell off almost all the time....

  17. E Willson said:
    Quoted message said:
    E Willson said:

    To most serious cyclists this may seem like blasphemy but I would like
    to listen to a radio on my daily trip. I have tried several portable
    radios, but none can keep a constant volume as the bike changes
    direction. It seems that the antennas are very directional, so that
    when the bike changes direction the signal strength changes
    drastically. This is true on either AM or FM. Any info on how to setup
    a radio so that the signal strength is adequate and uniform would be
    appreciated.

    Thanks,
    EJ in NJ

    I think a lot of portable radios aren't meant to be "mobile" radios,
    which could be your problem.

    I would think that a higher quality antenna might work, or just a higher
    quality radio. What have you tried so far? Are you using a
    Walkman-style radio or a little portable job with a speaker?

    -Bill H.

    Bill,
    Thanks for your reply. I have tried two small oportables, one Radio
    Shack AM/FM, and one Grundig Mini World 100 AM/FM/SW.

    EJ in NJ

    This is going to sound silly, but -- given the thread itself .... ;-)

    Does either radio have an external antenna jack? If so, Radio Shack
    probably has an antenna (car/cb radio/similar) that you could use by
    mounting it on a rear dropout eyelet, even sticking a 'visibility
    flag' on it....

    Just a thought.
    --
    Live simply so that others may simply live

  18. gds said:

    Roger Zoul wrote:
    Also, I'm very careful not to have the

    Quoted message said:

    volume up too loud. A cyclist passing can talk and I can hear. Not long
    again a lady was running on my side of the road. I car came up from behind
    me and forced her onto the grass after passing me. I got over a bit as I got
    to her so she could get back on the pavement. She said thanks. No problem


    Roger and Gary,

    I don't think you guys are very far apart in your thoughts. There would
    appear to be some increased danger, which is minimized if the volume is
    kept low, and you can still concentrate on the ride.

    I don't intend to start a flame war but:

    I notice that when I encounter serious bikers on my route (on the
    roads), they usually are very aware of the surroundings. They usually
    have mirrors. Most do not have any sound equipment.

    When I encounter amateurs (for want of a better word) generally on the
    local (crowded) trails, and when they are wired for sound it can be very
    dangerous. They usually do not have mirrors. Normally these types have
    earphones, and cannot not hear a freight train.

    EJ in NJ

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    hearing any of it.

    If you can still hear things around you as well or almost as well as if
    you were not listening I imagine that any extra risk is minimal.
    However, I find it hard to imagine that if you can hear the music it
    doesn't have some negative effect on hearing other things.

    Quoted message said:

    My point is that if I can be distracted by my own thoughts, then having an
    Mp3 player on my head ain' gonna make a whole lot of difference.

    Well that is true. But I guess my point is that it is the rider's
    responsibility to remain not distracted and if listening to music has
    a negative impact on this I think it has a negative impact on safety.

    I'm not trying to make a major case out of this but my personal
    experience is that when I overtake cyclists who are listening to music
    using earphones that they "never" have a clue that I have come up
    alongside until I am in their sight line. That said that is often true
    for cyclist not listening to music. However, I usually call out to warn
    folks that I am overtaking and the folks with earphones seem to never
    hear the warning while most others do.

  19. "Bill Henry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    E Willson said:

    To most serious cyclists this may seem like blasphemy but I would like to
    listen to a radio on my daily trip. I have tried several portable radios,
    but none can keep a constant volume as the bike changes direction. It
    seems that the antennas are very directional, so that when the bike
    changes direction the signal strength changes drastically. This is true
    on either AM or FM. Any info on how to setup a radio so that the signal
    strength is adequate and uniform would be appreciated.

    Thanks,
    EJ in NJ

    I think a lot of portable radios aren't meant to be "mobile" radios, which
    could be your problem.

    I would think that a higher quality antenna might work, or just a higher
    quality radio. What have you tried so far? Are you using a
    Walkman-style radio or a little portable job with a speaker?

    -Bill H.

    I have a Nike/Philips armband FM radio. The only station I can pull is my
    hometown station. Everything else is staticky. Maybe it's a function of the
    miniature size? I'm looking at an iPod Nano, so that should solve the
    problem. I don't feel unsafe at all. Motorcyclists' hearing is far more
    affected by their helmet/wind noise/motor than mine is with the earphones.

  20. Roger,

    I agree with your last paragraph completely. In fact I ride with both a
    bar end mirror and an eyeglass one.

    I am sure that the electronic gear you mention would work well, however,
    it is more expensive than I desire. Got any other ideas?

    EJ in NJ

    Roger Zoul said:

    E Willson wrote:
    :: To most serious cyclists this may seem like blasphemy but I would
    :: like to listen to a radio on my daily trip. I have tried several
    :: portable radios, but none can keep a constant volume as the bike
    :: changes direction. It seems that the antennas are very directional,

    The antennas aren't very directional....it's just that conditions change
    along your route and reception changes.

    :: so that when the bike changes direction the signal strength changes
    :: drastically.

    Is your path along an open area with no buildings, hills, or foilage? If
    not, then it is unreasoanble to expect anything close to a constant signal
    strength all the time

    This is true on either AM or FM. Any info on how to
    :: setup a radio so that the signal strength is adequate and uniform
    :: would be appreciated.

    Buy a mobile satellite radio receiver that has the ability to record several
    hours of programming. Record it at times you're not riding (at a location
    where you have good reception) and listen while you ride. Or, get an iPod
    Shuttle and download Podcasts. Listen to those while you ride. You can
    record radio and convert to mp3 if you want.

    If you can't hear someone speaking (at normal volume) while standing near
    you while you are listening on your bike, your volume is too loud, IMO. If
    you can drown out wind noise will riding, your volume is too load, IMO. If
    you don't have an eyeglass mounted mirror on your face while riding and
    listening, you're crazy, IMO. Well, maybe not on that last one, but the
    mirror increases situational awareness and IMO, helps to train you not to
    depend on hearing while riding.

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