From Cycling News (yes, I do read this on occasion):
"The race is influenced by the radio," he [Lefevere] admitted, but emphasised that the safety of the rider has to be considered. Some riders, like CSC's Jens Voigt, have also critised [sic] radios in the past. The German powerhouse once compared their use to making him "feel like being part of a video game" But Lefevere disagrees, arguing that sometimes the instincts of the riders may be inaccurate. "
The instincts - that is the non-physical component of a racer. So he wants to eliminate this aspect. OK. Maybe he wants trigger controls like those for slot car racers. He could get some advanced technology from the waterboarding community, perhaps. Next thing to come on-board - little LCD screens for the riders instead of bike computers. Then air conditioners in the helmets. Then ..... -- Bonne route !
sign boards and spotters are OK? or are the French secret police sent out to eliminate sign boards and spotters, truncheoning the crowds... get a good deal on cold war RF jammers from Putin/KGB? maybe get a new brain from a monkey not you, them.
you jest? not neutral ? spotters are in print or via bullhorn megabullhorn eeeyayayhahahha megabullhorning a roller derby move forward by ASO leading to competition via gaps of misinformation random racing CHAOS away from organization, teamwork, communication the 21st century relies on for the whims and pathological paranoia from several jocks seeking glory as individual heroes freed from teamwork... DARE? porc de varlet you are run thru imbécile
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From Cycling News (yes, I do read this on occasion):
"The race is influenced by the radio," he [Lefevere] admitted, but emphasised that the safety of the rider has to be considered. Some riders, like CSC's Jens Voigt, have also critised [sic] radios in the past. The German powerhouse once compared their use to making him "feel like being part of a video game" But Lefevere disagrees, arguing that sometimes the instincts of the riders may be inaccurate. "
The instincts - that is the non-physical component of a racer. So he wants to eliminate this aspect. OK. Maybe he wants trigger controls like those for slot car racers. He could get some advanced technology from the waterboarding community, perhaps. Next thing to come on-board - little LCD screens for the riders instead of bike computers. Then air conditioners in the helmets. Then .....
So it's OK for the team manager to pull up along side the rider and tell him everything.....
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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"Sandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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From Cycling News (yes, I do read this on occasion):
"The race is influenced by the radio," he [Lefevere] admitted, but emphasised that the safety of the rider has to be considered. Some riders, like CSC's Jens Voigt, have also critised [sic] radios in the past. The German powerhouse once compared their use to making him "feel like being part of a video game" But Lefevere disagrees, arguing that sometimes the instincts of the riders may be inaccurate. "
The instincts - that is the non-physical component of a racer. So he wants to eliminate this aspect. OK. Maybe he wants trigger controls like those for slot car racers. He could get some advanced technology from the waterboarding community, perhaps. Next thing to come on-board - little LCD screens for the riders instead of bike computers. Then air conditioners in the helmets. Then .....
So it's OK for the team manager to pull up along side the rider and tell him everything.....
Please think about this Sandy.
Team managers are not allowed to drive into the peloton to provide any type of support (sometimes they have to drive through it to get to a feed zone or follow a break). If a team manager wants to talk to a rider, the rider has to fall back behind the peloton and behind the commissaire's vehicle to get to the team car. The team car will be ordered by the commissaire to come up from it's position in the caravan up to behind to behind the commissaire's car. Sometimes the car can move up immediately, sometimes it must wait for it's turn or a safe place to maneuver. Team cars are usually put in order of the team's best rider on GC. So if all your riders are in the bottom half of GC, it sucks getting to the team car.
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So it's OK for the team manager to pull up along side the rider and tell him everything.....
Please think about this Sandy.
Team managers are not allowed to drive into the peloton to provide any type of support (sometimes they have to drive through it to get to a feed zone or follow a break). If a team manager wants to talk to a rider, the rider has to fall back behind the peloton and behind the commissaire's vehicle to get to the team car. The team car will be ordered by the commissaire to come up from it's position in the caravan up to behind to behind the commissaire's car. Sometimes the car can move up immediately, sometimes it must wait for it's turn or a safe place to maneuver. Team cars are usually put in order of the team's best rider on GC. So if all your riders are in the bottom half of GC, it sucks getting to the team car.
The important information goes to someone on a breakaway or can be passed up to the team leader by the guy dropping back for water bottles. While the information transferred by radio is a little more instant that can be equally good and bad depending on how reliable the information that the team manager is getting.
The bottom line is that there has always been collaboration between the team manager and the team leader and today's radios aren't any worse than any other system.
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"Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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So it's OK for the team manager to pull up along side the rider and tell him everything.....
Please think about this Sandy.
Team managers are not allowed to drive into the peloton to provide any type of support (sometimes they have to drive through it to get to a feed zone or follow a break). If a team manager wants to talk to a rider, the rider has to fall back behind the peloton and behind the commissaire's vehicle to get to the team car. The team car will be ordered by the commissaire to come up from it's position in the caravan up to behind to behind the commissaire's car. Sometimes the car can move up immediately, sometimes it must wait for it's turn or a safe place to maneuver. Team cars are usually put in order of the team's best rider on GC. So if all your riders are in the bottom half of GC, it sucks getting to the team car.
The important information goes to someone on a breakaway or can be passed up to the team leader by the guy dropping back for water bottles. While the information transferred by radio is a little more instant that can be equally good and bad depending on how reliable the information that the team manager is getting.
The bottom line is that there has always been collaboration between the team manager and the team leader and today's radios aren't any worse than any other system.
If radios "aren't any worse than any other system" why are they the preferred method in the peloton? With radios, if someone dangerous attacks, the teams that are paying attention can let the DS know on the radio and he can llet the whole team know. It may not always work out perfectly but it's much better than hollering to your teammates (who may be spread out through the group, back getting bottles, etc.) that someone is attacking and they all need to react. I'd rather it be without radios as I think it makes the team have to pay more attention and it often leads to splits in the field that people have to work hard to eliminate. And it shows which riders have good instincts and are observant.
-- tanx, Howard
Whatever happened to Leon Trotsky? He got an icepick That made his ears burn.
I got one. Riders carry a tiny GPS. Your team's GPS are linked with a common tone for all increasing intone when together, a seperate tone for leader or today's rabbit. when faster than the ??? your tone increases in pitch when slower.... TEAM DOPPLER!
J'ai un os à sélectionner ici Which is relevant given conditions, running into the Eurasian Thugs, sacking the chicken and you know... No, not the money the French owe us for WW2. The model Volvo I take care of won LeMans stock touring 1-2 on the first and only attempt. Car one ran lika train, car 2 cracked an exhaust header-an allowed modification-and pitted for welding. If you examine the 544, you will see an early '50's design capable of doing that. The French Pigoet won. Why? The French cheated that's why. The French built a Pigoet from aluminum. French rules stated: body mod's allowed but the car will be stock. Oh yeah shove that BS right? Looks kinda stock sedan but it's made from aluminum not steel as stock was and probbbably magnesium to boot. So what's with the radio? les observateurs ?
Sandy are you snidely rubbing our nose in it or what? obvioulsy there are more French observers than Romanians, Californians or Armenians. ASO rides toward roller derby. French win in France unless the Bulgarians come up with megaeuro, Italians win in Italy, Spanish win in Iberia everyone's happy whheeeee!!! Geschäft, wie üblich
In article <[email hidden]>, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
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The bottom line is that there has always been collaboration between the team manager and the team leader and today's radios aren't any worse than any other system.
If radios "aren't any worse than any other system" why are they the preferred method in the peloton? With radios, if someone dangerous attacks, the teams that are paying attention can let the DS know on the radio and he can llet the whole team know. It may not always work out perfectly but it's much better than hollering to your teammates (who may be spread out through the group, back getting bottles, etc.) that someone is attacking and they all need to react. I'd rather it be without radios as I think it makes the team have to pay more attention and it often leads to splits in the field that people have to work hard to eliminate. And it shows which riders have good instincts and are observant.
Dans le message de news:[email hidden], datakoll <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
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Sandy are you snidely rubbing our nose in it or what? obvioulsy there are more French observers than Romanians, Californians or Armenians. ASO rides toward roller derby. French win in France unless the Bulgarians come up with megaeuro, Italians win in Italy, Spanish win in Iberia everyone's happy whheeeee!!! Geschäft, wie üblich
I had my US passport at hand while writing that. I worry that you secretly like French beer. Condoléances.
In article <[email hidden]>, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
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The bottom line is that there has always been collaboration between the team manager and the team leader and today's radios aren't any worse than any other system.
If radios "aren't any worse than any other system" why are they the preferred method in the peloton? With radios, if someone dangerous attacks, the teams that are paying attention can let the DS know on the radio and he can let the whole team know. It may not always work out perfectly but it's much better than hollering to your teammates (who may be spread out through the group, back getting bottles, etc.) that someone is attacking and they all need to react. I'd rather it be without radios as I think it makes the team have to pay more attention and it often leads to splits in the field that people have to work hard to eliminate. And it shows which riders have good instincts and are observant.
Dumbass, two things.
Well said.
Thanks.
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Why are you reading Kunich.
Force of habit. And I need eyerolling exercise.
-- tanx, Howard
Whatever happened to Leon Trotsky? He got an icepick That made his ears burn.
