Racing number windbreaker

Quoted message said:

Hey has anyone ever seen this? I just found the link. Now here's a new
way to use your old race numbers!http://www.11gear.us/11g.html

Much as I think the stuff on their site is cool, you just posted a
link to something else of their's on another cycling group. Are you
deliberately spamming for this company or just a twerp?

-M

Some spammer said:

Hey has anyone ever seen this? I just found the link. Now here's a new
way to use your old race numbers! http://www.11gear.us/11g.html

I never liked the term Fred. But that's beyond Fredly.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/79a6c188ca76f822/50f1db8825ce8a1f

All great RBR trolls occur (so Hegel says) twice: the
first time as tragedy, the second as farce.

Ben

Quoted message said:

All great RBR trolls occur (so Hegel says) twice: the
first time as tragedy, the second as farce.

Surely you mean Hagel alluding to Vietnam and Iraq.

Donald Munro said:

Quoted message said:

All great RBR trolls occur (so Hegel says) twice: the
first time as tragedy, the second as farce.

Surely you mean Hagel alluding to Vietnam and Iraq.

Hazel, not Hagel, Hegel or even Kegel.
http://tvland.classictvhits.com/Hazel/

Wise woman, that.

R

Marian said:

Quoted message said:

Hey has anyone ever seen this? I just found the link. Now here's a new
way to use your old race numbers!http://www.11gear.us/11g.html

Much as I think the stuff on their site is cool, you just posted a
link to something else of their's on another cycling group. Are you
deliberately spamming for this company or just a twerp?

-M

Deliberate spam. Both ahavisual.com and 11gear.com are registered to:
Pepper, Richard
874 Gravenstein Avenue No. 4
Sebastopol, CA 95472-4555
US
707-824-2007 Fax: 707-824-4337

Quoted message said:

Much as I think the stuff on their site is cool, you just posted a
link to something else of their's on another cycling group.

Aw shoot. I'll cop to it. Next time I'll read the FAQ.
Apologies, though I did enjoy reading the reactions.

-R.

rick said:

Quoted message said:

Much as I think the stuff on their site is cool, you just posted a
link to something else of their's on another cycling group.

Aw shoot. I'll cop to it. Next time I'll read the FAQ.
Apologies, though I did enjoy reading the reactions.

You have to read a FAQ to know that pretending that you "just found"
something, when you're the founding father, is unacceptable? C'mon.
You can do better than that.

There's a word for lying while trying to sell something.

R

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Aw shoot. I'll cop to it. Next time I'll read the FAQ.
Apologies, though I did enjoy reading the reactions.

You have to read a FAQ to know that pretending that you "just found"
something, when you're the founding father, is unacceptable? C'mon.
You can do better than that.

There's a word for lying while trying to sell something.

R

hey excuse me: I was just trying to get some exposure for an item I
thought the users of this list might find interesting. I'm learning
from my experiences and I'll represent myself more objectively in the
future. Thanks for your frank comments, though. Always refreshing to
read people's unvarnished opinions, especially yours.

-r.

rick schreef:

Quoted message said:

hey excuse me: I was just trying to get some exposure for an item

So you're a lying spammer and you know it.

--
E. Dronkert

RicodJour said:

There's a word for lying while trying to sell something.

Bush?

On Jun 19, 10:47 pm, Ewoud Dronkert <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

hey excuse me: I was just trying to get some exposure for an item

So you're a lying spammer and you know it.

So he's an untrustworthy retailer, and we know it.

Quoted message said:

On Jun 19, 10:47 pm, Ewoud Dronkert <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

So you're a lying spammer and you know it.

Lying Spammer? Can I put that on my business card? Whatever. Like I
said I'm new to the usenet and will do better from now on.

Thanks for calling me all those names. You've really spiced up my day.
I'll crush a hill this afternoon in your honor.

Thanks everyone else for cutting me a little slack and giving this guy
a break.

-r.

rick said:

Lying Spammer? Can I put that on my business card?

No need. We'll do it for you, along with "untrustworthy retailer."
Usenet has a pretty long memory.

Mark Fennell said:

Rick said:

Quoted message said:

Lying Spammer? Can I put that on my business card?

rechung said:

No need. We'll do it for you, along with "untrustworthy retailer."
Usenet has a pretty long memory.

I'll add (perhaps) to his rapidly expanding usenet record, but not something
negative like about his initial advertising approach...

Rick: are you the same Rick Pepper who was from Santa Barbara, and raced
Nevada City as a junior a long time ago? If so, what a bizarre
coincidence... I just posted the pages from an old Nevada City program on my
blog and circled a few interesting names. Since your name was in there and
you were listed as from SB, I circled it. Check it out, a few posts down, athttp://marcofanelli.blogspot.comand click on the pages of the program to
see full size.

BTW, see how a shameless yet somewhat-more-honest plug for traffic works?
(Not sure why I would want traffic though...)

Mark

Mark Fennell said:

Rick said:

Quoted message said:

Lying Spammer? Can I put that on my business card?

rechung said:

No need. We'll do it for you, along with "untrustworthy retailer."
Usenet has a pretty long memory.

I'll add (perhaps) to his rapidly expanding usenet record, but not something
negative like about his initial advertising approach...
Rick: are you the same Rick Pepper who was from Santa Barbara, and raced
Nevada City as a junior a long time ago? If so, what a bizarre
coincidence... I just posted the pages from an old Nevada City program on my
blog and circled a few interesting names. Since your name was in there and
you were listed as from SB, I circled it. Check it out, a few posts down, athttp://marcofanelli.blogspot.comand click on the pages of the program to
see full size.

BTW, see how a shameless yet somewhat-more-honest plug for traffic works?
(Not sure why I would want traffic though...)

Mark

Mark! whoah. Yes it's me. Did you used to race for SBCC? I thoroughly
enjoyed your blog. Yeah Nevada City used to be the show that's for
sure. I never had any good results at that race other than a prime.
You are so right you need to train for that one. One year I trained
for it with Larry Shields and Chris Jordan and broke their legs in
training. But race day rolled 'round and I couldn't hang with the
leaders. Something about no recovery before max exertions. That plus
we had those crappy Shimano AX brakes that year. NCC is a race where
good braking can make a difference. Your Garmin data was impressive.
Looked like it hurt for sure.
Best,
-Rick

Rick said:

Quoted message said:

Lying Spammer? Can I put that on my business card?

rechung said:

No need. We'll do it for you, along with "untrustworthy retailer."
Usenet has a pretty long memory.

I'll add (perhaps) to his rapidly expanding usenet record, but not something
negative like about his initial advertising approach...

Rick: are you the same Rick Pepper who was from Santa Barbara, and raced
Nevada City as a junior a long time ago? If so, what a bizarre
coincidence... I just posted the pages from an old Nevada City program on my
blog and circled a few interesting names. Since your name was in there and
you were listed as from SB, I circled it. Check it out, a few posts down, at
http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com and click on the pages of the program to
see full size.

BTW, see how a shameless yet somewhat-more-honest plug for traffic works?
(Not sure why I would want traffic though...)

Mark

rick said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Aw shoot. I'll cop to it. Next time I'll read the FAQ.
Apologies, though I did enjoy reading the reactions.

You have to read a FAQ to know that pretending that you "just found"
something, when you're the founding father, is unacceptable? C'mon.
You can do better than that.

There's a word for lying while trying to sell something.

R

hey excuse me: I was just trying to get some exposure for an item I
thought the users of this list might find interesting. I'm learning
from my experiences and I'll represent myself more objectively in the
future. Thanks for your frank comments, though. Always refreshing to
read people's unvarnished opinions, especially yours.

Yah know as a participant you'd be welcome here - obviously an interesting
outlook to offer the products you've got. A lot of the people posting here have
something to sell as well. The difference is, they are honest about it.

"Dudes, check out this great new website I found!" is no more persuasive than
"Dudes, I make this killer stuff. I sure can understand lying to avoid trouble
and even outright fraud makes its own shortsighted sense. But why not be square
when offering a perfectly legitimate product for sale to a probable audience.
There are rules and customs that regulate and restrict spamming. The use of a
sock puppet doesn't waive any of them. Makes it worse, even.

Mostly, the sock puppet sale pitch has been done so damn long and often it's
become sort of insulting.

Ron

RonSonic said:

rick said:

Quoted message said:

> Aw shoot. I'll cop to it. Next time I'll read the FAQ.
> Apologies, though I did enjoy reading the reactions.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You have to read a FAQ to know that pretending that you "just found"
something, when you're the founding father, is unacceptable? C'mon.
You can do better than that.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

There's a word for lying while trying to sell something.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

R

Quoted message said:

hey excuse me: I was just trying to get some exposure for an item I
thought the users of this list might find interesting. I'm learning
from my experiences and I'll represent myself more objectively in the
future. Thanks for your frank comments, though. Always refreshing to
read people's unvarnished opinions, especially yours.

Yah know as a participant you'd be welcome here - obviously an interesting
outlook to offer the products you've got. A lot of the people posting here have
something to sell as well. The difference is, they are honest about it.

"Dudes, check out this great new website I found!" is no more persuasive than
"Dudes, I make this killer stuff. I sure can understand lying to avoid trouble
and even outright fraud makes its own shortsighted sense. But why not be square
when offering a perfectly legitimate product for sale to a probable audience.
There are rules and customs that regulate and restrict spamming. The use of a
sock puppet doesn't waive any of them. Makes it worse, even.

Mostly, the sock puppet sale pitch has been done so damn long and often it's
become sort of insulting.

Ron

Hi, Ron. I sort of understood that earlier. I appreciate your telling
me again though in a tone that is considerably more civil. I agree
with you. I have put my sock puppet in the drawer, so to speak.

BTW Ron what do you think of the race number windbreaker? I've only
gotten one or two comments before the "shoot the messenger" thing
kicked in.

Best,
-r.

Quoted message said:

Did you used to race for SBCC?

Yes, but not way back then.

Nevada City is still an incredible race, maybe one of the longest
continuously-running events in the US (?) and it's a shame it doesn't still
have some kind of National Calendar status. That doesn't stop some really
good guys from showing up however!