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  1. x-no-archive: yes

    I was thinking of running some road races before I try my first
    marathon, but now I'm thinking it's only going to mess with my training.
    I'm concluding that people are right about my need to increase my
    milage as much as possible. I'm averaging around 37 miles/week now, and
    I'd like to peak at 45 miles about a month before the marathon, which is
    on Dec. 5.

    Is it just for the experience, to familiarize myself with the whole race
    process? Part of the problem is that all these events are in the
    morning, and I work nights. I am never awake at 8am, so it's a big deal
    for me to switch my sleep to have this happen. I go to bed around 5am
    usually. I can prepare for the marathon, since it's the big event I'm
    training for. But these smaller races, it doesn't seem worth it right
    now, even if they would be fun to run for the experience.

  2. Janithor said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    I was thinking of running some road races before I try my first
    marathon, but now I'm thinking it's only going to mess with my
    training.

    They can if you don't plan them properly. They should be at the proper
    time in your marathon training and of an appropriate distance for
    marathon training (10K - half marathon).

    Quoted message said:

    Is it just for the experience, to familiarize myself with the whole
    race process?

    There are a few good reasons for doing races as part of a marathon
    program. One is that it's a way to benchmark your fitness. This will give
    you an idea of what to expect for your marathon time and if you need to
    make adjustments to your daily training paces. Another reason is anxiety
    reduction. When runners do no premarathon tune-up races, they have
    greater anxiety leading up to the marathon.

    Quoted message said:

    Part of the problem is that all these events are in the morning, and I
    work nights. I am never awake at 8am, so it's a big deal for me to
    switch my sleep to have this happen. I go to bed around 5am usually.

    For me this would be similar to running a race at 1:00 AM. It would
    probably feel odd. Maybe I wouldn't run my best, but I think it would
    still be worth it. A lot of races are on Saturday morning. Can you
    recover from the lack of sleep during the rest of the weekend?

    Phil M.

  3. Janithor said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    I was thinking of running some road races before I try my first
    marathon, but now I'm thinking it's only going to mess with my training.
    I'm concluding that people are right about my need to increase my
    milage as much as possible. I'm averaging around 37 miles/week now, and
    I'd like to peak at 45 miles about a month before the marathon, which is
    on Dec. 5.

    Is it just for the experience, to familiarize myself with the whole race
    process?

    Racing doesn't conflict with training, it *is* part of your training. You
    should do these as tuneups, to gauge your fitness, and to get some racing
    experience.

    But you have to be strategic about it. Do maybe one or two races before the
    marathon, a 10k and a half marathon would be preferable.

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi
    http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

  4. Janithor wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    I was thinking of running some road races before I try my first
    marathon, but now I'm thinking it's only going to mess with my training.
    I'm concluding that people are right about my need to increase my
    milage as much as possible. I'm averaging around 37 miles/week now, and
    I'd like to peak at 45 miles about a month before the marathon, which is
    on Dec. 5.

    Is it just for the experience, to familiarize myself with the whole race
    process? Part of the problem is that all these events are in the
    morning, and I work nights. I am never awake at 8am, so it's a big deal
    for me to switch my sleep to have this happen. I go to bed around 5am
    usually. I can prepare for the marathon, since it's the big event I'm
    training for. But these smaller races, it doesn't seem worth it right
    now, even if they would be fun to run for the experience.

    Not sleeping well the night before a race won't affect you that much. It's
    getting poor sleep for a string of days that will affect your training (or
    your race) and not allow your body to recover properly.

    - Tony

  5. Janithor said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    I was thinking of running some road races before I try my first
    marathon, but now I'm thinking it's only going to mess with my training.
    I'm concluding that people are right about my need to increase my
    milage as much as possible. I'm averaging around 37 miles/week now, and
    I'd like to peak at 45 miles about a month before the marathon, which is
    on Dec. 5.

    Is it just for the experience, to familiarize myself with the whole race
    process? Part of the problem is that all these events are in the
    morning, and I work nights. I am never awake at 8am, so it's a big deal
    for me to switch my sleep to have this happen. I go to bed around 5am
    usually. I can prepare for the marathon, since it's the big event I'm
    training for. But these smaller races, it doesn't seem worth it right
    now, even if they would be fun to run for the experience.

    What time of day is your marathon? Will you have to make major sleep /
    eating adjustments for it? If so, you might want to test ahead of time,
    if you can - whether it's in a race or not is up to you, IMHO, but
    sometimes the race-day atmosphere changes things.

    I've only done a few races, and nothing near a marathon, but I've found
    simulating race-day conditions as closely as possible helps on race day.

    Some things can be done in training (although there might be certain
    anxiety-related effects that can't be simulated without actual race
    conditions): timing of sleeping/waking, eating, drinking, potty stops
    before the race (from the day before up til race start and during the
    race). This could be critical if you're usually sleeping at the time
    your big race is scheduled to start. Your physiological responses might
    be really different.

    Race-day experiences that you might not be able to simulate in training
    and might ease anxieties if you can get experience beforehand include

    1. packet / bib pickup

    2. where to stick the bib so it's not in your way (most of my races
    people wear shells and peel them off part way through a race so front of
    jersey isn't good and some races want them in front so we can't put them
    on camelbak - frequently use number belt).

    3. running your own race and not getting sucked into somebody else's
    pace (the primary reason why I would run a race as training for another).

    4. driving time to race (my legs stiffen if in car for very long)

    The comments about fitness probably depend on how you train, whether
    you're planning on racing the marathon at specific pace or just "do" it
    - and how similar the pre-marathon races are to the marathon in terms of
    time of day, weather, topography, etc. Running a race in cool
    temperatures may provide little information for your big race if it's
    hot that day. But that's just my opinion. *For me*, with my schedule and
    goals and limited availability of races at times I can run them, I'm
    better off using training as my fitness guides. Races are a major hassle
    for me: 1st finding one, then driving time and needing to wait for race
    start, etc = race time + 3 to 4 hrs in my case. (and I hate driving) No
    race that I've done has ever been a useful indicator of how things would
    go in another race (races are too different and too far apart), but
    that's probably an artifact of running trails where specificity can be
    really important, at least while inexperienced. YMMV, obviously.

    Dot

    --
    "So many people get stuck in the routine of life that their dreams waste
    away. This is about living the dream." - Cave Dog

  6. Quoted message said:

    Is it just for the experience, to familiarize myself with the whole race
    process? Part of the problem is that all these events are in the
    morning, and I work nights. I am never awake at 8am, so it's a big deal
    for me to switch my sleep to have this happen. I go to bed around 5am
    usually. I can prepare for the marathon, since it's the big event I'm
    training for. But these smaller races, it doesn't seem worth it right
    now, even if they would be fun to run for the experience.


    I have the opposite problem (a couple times a year I run in twilight track
    meets where my event goes off at 7-10PM). I can guarantee this much:

    You WILL screw up SOMETHING. Everything will be different: sleep patterns,
    nutriution, hydration....This is because of the total time change.

    You need a rehearsal, where you do everything the same and find out what works
    for you and what doesn't (even if you've done it before--I have--you still have
    to get used to the race routine again). Ideally, you would find a low-key
    marathon and do everything, including water bottles, but plan to break it off
    at 8, 10, 12 miles, or whatever you planned to run that day. If you can't find
    a race, you can do your own time trial.

    Lyndon
    "Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!" --US Olympic Track Coach
    Brooks Johnson

  7. In article <4e56d.24846$Wa7.20460@trndny06>,

    Tony' qtrader2@(remove)hotmail.com said:

    Not sleeping well the night before a race won't affect you that much. It's
    getting poor sleep for a string of days that will affect your training (or
    your race) and not allow your body to recover properly.

    More specifically, TWO nights before the race is the most important
    night. If you're only going to be able to get a good night's sleep one
    night, that's the one.

    --Harold Buck

    "I used to rock and roll all night,
    and party every day.
    Then it was every other day. . . ."
    -Homer J. Simpson

  8. "Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Janithor said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    I was thinking of running some road races before I try my first
    marathon, but now I'm thinking it's only going to mess with my
    training.

    They can if you don't plan them properly. They should be at the proper
    time in your marathon training and of an appropriate distance for
    marathon training (10K - half marathon).

    Quoted message said:

    Is it just for the experience, to familiarize myself with the whole
    race process?

    There are a few good reasons for doing races as part of a marathon
    program. One is that it's a way to benchmark your fitness. This will give
    you an idea of what to expect for your marathon time and if you need to
    make adjustments to your daily training paces. Another reason is anxiety
    reduction. When runners do no premarathon tune-up races, they have
    greater anxiety leading up to the marathon.

    Quoted message said:

    Part of the problem is that all these events are in the morning, and I
    work nights. I am never awake at 8am, so it's a big deal for me to
    switch my sleep to have this happen. I go to bed around 5am usually.

    For me this would be similar to running a race at 1:00 AM. It would
    probably feel odd. Maybe I wouldn't run my best, but I think it would
    still be worth it. A lot of races are on Saturday morning. Can you
    recover from the lack of sleep during the rest of the weekend?

    Phil M.

    Most marathons start early in the AM as well. What will you do about that?

  9. Running 5k and 10 k races every couple of weeks is good marathon training.

    I think 1/2 marathons are too hard on you, and take too long to recover
    from. They're more breakdown than build-up. You can recover from a 10k or
    5k in a couple of days, whereas a 1/2 will take you longer and mess up your
    training, imo.

    Do one or two even though you're sleep deprived, you'll learn a lot about
    pacing, and get familiar with the whole Gestalt. Missing one night's sleep
    won't affect you that much.

    Good luck,

    Dan

    "Janithor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    I was thinking of running some road races before I try my first
    marathon, but now I'm thinking it's only going to mess with my training.
    I'm concluding that people are right about my need to increase my
    milage as much as possible. I'm averaging around 37 miles/week now, and
    I'd like to peak at 45 miles about a month before the marathon, which is
    on Dec. 5.

    Is it just for the experience, to familiarize myself with the whole race
    process? Part of the problem is that all these events are in the
    morning, and I work nights. I am never awake at 8am, so it's a big deal
    for me to switch my sleep to have this happen. I go to bed around 5am
    usually. I can prepare for the marathon, since it's the big event I'm
    training for. But these smaller races, it doesn't seem worth it right
    now, even if they would be fun to run for the experience.

  10. << Do one or two even though you're sleep deprived, you'll learn a lot about
    pacing, and get familiar with the whole Gestalt. >>

    Huh?

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  11. Quoted message said:

    and get familiar with the whole Gestalt.

    Nazi [censored]!

  12. "Etherized" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    a lot about pacing, and get familiar with the whole Gestalt. >>

    Huh?

    Therapy-ese, here in La La Land.

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