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  1. The weather was good at the start at 7am: low 50's and sunny. Even though
    there were well-stocked aid stations every 3-4 miles, I decided to take some
    of my own food and wear a 2 bottle belt so that I could drink whenever I
    wanted. I also carried a small pace chart to check my split times.

    Start to 3.5 mile Ball field aid station
    36:12 HR 159 - 84th place:

    The first 2.5 miles are on roads, and I hate to run on roads, so I went
    fairly slow and warmed up, and about 100 people were in front of me. I
    passed about 15 people going down a really steep trail section called "two
    beers" hill just before the aid station. My split seemed good to me, but I
    thought maybe too fast. I was in a pack of runners still, but because I had
    the belt I didn't need to stop yet.

    3.5m to 7m Buck run aid st.
    38:41 (1:14:53) HR 167 - 70th place:

    This leg is net uphill but it has good runable trails, and I passed 14
    people here, still trying to find my pace, arriving alone at the split.
    Nobody passed me in this section as far as I recall. I felt really good and
    at this point I was asking my body - "can you hold this pace for 6 hours?"
    Though my HR was high, I felt relaxed and was going by feel and not paying
    much attention to my HRM or my splits. I concentrated on getting my bottles
    filled quickly: I put the clip 2 powder in the bottle and had it ready to
    fill before arriving at the aid station.

    7m to 11.2m 7 Springs aid st.
    46:39 (2:01:33) HR 156 - 70th place:

    The 3rd and 4th legs form an 8.1 mile loop that is then repeated in legs 5
    and 6. Here you get a mix of very runable straight trail, some twisty trail
    sections, and some extremely steep hills that you are forced to walk at a
    very slow hiking pace. During this leg I slowed my pace somewhat and 3
    others caught me when I stopped to [censored]. I was still feeling good, but a
    little worried about my pace being too high.

    11.2m to 15.1m Buck run (1/2 way)
    40:59 (2:42:32) HR 158 - 71st place:

    On this leg I was trying to drop the 3 others who caught me on the last leg,
    and pulled into the aid station ahead of them. Carrying the 2 bottle belt
    helped alot because I could fill up then drink while running, while some of
    the others would take much longer stops. One woman who had been having
    stomach problems finally got over whatever it was and dropped our group on a
    long uphill; she ran while we walked. It was starting to get hotter, and
    ended up being in the low 80's at the finish.

    15.1m to 19.3m 7 Springs again
    46:00 (3:28:33) HR 157 - 70th place:

    On this leg there was still a group of 4 of us shadowing each other, but
    then me and this other guy Brett dropped the other 2 for good, and ran the
    rest of the way together. This was really the first time I got an idea I was
    on a good pace. Prior to the race I really had no clue what kind of time I
    would run, having never run the course and having never run an official 50k.
    A loose goal for me was to run under 6 hours.

    19.3m to 23.2m Buck run last time
    42:10 (4:10:43) HR 159 - 67th place:

    I was still feeling pretty good, though my quads were starting to get a
    little beat up from all those steep ups and downs. We passed a few people
    and I was happy to finish the 2 loops and start heading home - 7.9 miles to
    go!

    23.2m to 27.3m Ball field
    47:06 (4:57:50) HR 158 - 64th place:

    On this leg the return route is longer and takes you up this VERY steep
    nasty little hill. We passed a few more guys in here. At this point my quads
    were hurting bad, and as I filled my bottle for the last time I knew I only
    had 30-40 mins left in me. The heat wasn't helping at this point, and
    though I was drinking a 20oz bottle every 40 mins, I was getting dehydrated.
    (I took 4 succeed caps throughout the race).

    27.3m to 31.1m Finish
    41:13 (5:39:02) HR 158 - 63rd place of 124:

    This was the suffering part - my quads were shot and alot of this final leg
    is on roads which sucked. Luckily the guy I was running with was shot too
    so we chose to walk certain sections but we still passed several people. I
    don't know why the race results don't show us picking up places here; the
    guys we passed didn't look like trekkers. I kept my running form the last
    1.5 miles to the finish, but the other guy had more left and took off down
    the final hill, beating me by 25 seconds or so.

    Summary:

    A 5:39 was a great time for me. My previous 50k time was a split time in a
    50 mile race, and was 6:28, so I was 49 mins faster than that. My HR
    profile showed a drop-off in HR during legs 3 and 4 (the first 8 mile loop)
    , but my lap time for the 2nd loop was almost the same. Overall I think I
    paced myself well, and passed people throughout the race. In retrospect I
    maybe should have held back a little in leg 2 with my HR at 167 vs. my race
    HR avg. of 159. The final 2 legs were very tough and were slower, but my
    form held up pretty well. The pace chart I took with me had split times for
    5:40 to 8 hours, so I expected to be somewhere in that range - but surprised
    to be at the lower end of it.

    - Tony

  2. Nicely done, Tony! Sounds like you executed a good race according to
    plan. Congratulations!

    Dot

  3. Dot wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:

    Nicely done, Tony! Sounds like you executed a good race according to
    plan. Congratulations!

    Dot

    Thanks Dot. This is the first time I moderated my biking some in order to
    train for a specific race, as well as doing consistent long runs. It's
    exciting to improve and set personal bests, even if I'm still only mid-pack.
    For a guy who started out as a sprinter, I'm happy with my performance.

    - Tony

  4. taht was a good race
    i soon will do another ultra ,,, soon
    did you eat on teh course ?? if so what?? i go on a 3 hour trainer next
    friday i am bringwater / clip / gator ade / succed pills / and a lot of
    walking up the hills / any food to bring tips???
    plodzilla
    thaks in advance

    Tony said:


    The weather was good at the start at 7am: low 50's and sunny. Even though
    there were well-stocked aid stations every 3-4 miles, I decided to take some
    of my own food and wear a 2 bottle belt so that I could drink whenever I
    wanted. I also carried a small pace chart to check my split times.

    Start to 3.5 mile Ball field aid station
    36:12 HR 159 - 84th place:

    The first 2.5 miles are on roads, and I hate to run on roads, so I went
    fairly slow and warmed up, and about 100 people were in front of me. I
    passed about 15 people going down a really steep trail section called "two
    beers" hill just before the aid station. My split seemed good to me, but I
    thought maybe too fast. I was in a pack of runners still, but because I had
    the belt I didn't need to stop yet.

    3.5m to 7m Buck run aid st.
    38:41 (1:14:53) HR 167 - 70th place:

    This leg is net uphill but it has good runable trails, and I passed 14
    people here, still trying to find my pace, arriving alone at the split.
    Nobody passed me in this section as far as I recall. I felt really good and
    at this point I was asking my body - "can you hold this pace for 6 hours?"
    Though my HR was high, I felt relaxed and was going by feel and not paying
    much attention to my HRM or my splits. I concentrated on getting my bottles
    filled quickly: I put the clip 2 powder in the bottle and had it ready to
    fill before arriving at the aid station.

    7m to 11.2m 7 Springs aid st.
    46:39 (2:01:33) HR 156 - 70th place:

    The 3rd and 4th legs form an 8.1 mile loop that is then repeated in legs 5
    and 6. Here you get a mix of very runable straight trail, some twisty trail
    sections, and some extremely steep hills that you are forced to walk at a
    very slow hiking pace. During this leg I slowed my pace somewhat and 3
    others caught me when I stopped to [censored]. I was still feeling good, but a
    little worried about my pace being too high.

    11.2m to 15.1m Buck run (1/2 way)
    40:59 (2:42:32) HR 158 - 71st place:

    On this leg I was trying to drop the 3 others who caught me on the last leg,
    and pulled into the aid station ahead of them. Carrying the 2 bottle belt
    helped alot because I could fill up then drink while running, while some of
    the others would take much longer stops. One woman who had been having
    stomach problems finally got over whatever it was and dropped our group on a
    long uphill; she ran while we walked. It was starting to get hotter, and
    ended up being in the low 80's at the finish.

    15.1m to 19.3m 7 Springs again
    46:00 (3:28:33) HR 157 - 70th place:

    On this leg there was still a group of 4 of us shadowing each other, but
    then me and this other guy Brett dropped the other 2 for good, and ran the
    rest of the way together. This was really the first time I got an idea I was
    on a good pace. Prior to the race I really had no clue what kind of time I
    would run, having never run the course and having never run an official 50k.
    A loose goal for me was to run under 6 hours.

    19.3m to 23.2m Buck run last time
    42:10 (4:10:43) HR 159 - 67th place:

    I was still feeling pretty good, though my quads were starting to get a
    little beat up from all those steep ups and downs. We passed a few people
    and I was happy to finish the 2 loops and start heading home - 7.9 miles to
    go!

    23.2m to 27.3m Ball field
    47:06 (4:57:50) HR 158 - 64th place:

    On this leg the return route is longer and takes you up this VERY steep
    nasty little hill. We passed a few more guys in here. At this point my quads
    were hurting bad, and as I filled my bottle for the last time I knew I only
    had 30-40 mins left in me. The heat wasn't helping at this point, and
    though I was drinking a 20oz bottle every 40 mins, I was getting dehydrated.
    (I took 4 succeed caps throughout the race).

    27.3m to 31.1m Finish
    41:13 (5:39:02) HR 158 - 63rd place of 124:

    This was the suffering part - my quads were shot and alot of this final leg
    is on roads which sucked. Luckily the guy I was running with was shot too
    so we chose to walk certain sections but we still passed several people. I
    don't know why the race results don't show us picking up places here; the
    guys we passed didn't look like trekkers. I kept my running form the last
    1.5 miles to the finish, but the other guy had more left and took off down
    the final hill, beating me by 25 seconds or so.

    Summary:

    A 5:39 was a great time for me. My previous 50k time was a split time in a
    50 mile race, and was 6:28, so I was 49 mins faster than that. My HR
    profile showed a drop-off in HR during legs 3 and 4 (the first 8 mile loop)
    , but my lap time for the 2nd loop was almost the same. Overall I think I
    paced myself well, and passed people throughout the race. In retrospect I
    maybe should have held back a little in leg 2 with my HR at 167 vs. my race
    HR avg. of 159. The final 2 legs were very tough and were slower, but my
    form held up pretty well. The pace chart I took with me had split times for
    5:40 to 8 hours, so I expected to be somewhere in that range - but surprised
    to be at the lower end of it.

    - Tony

  5. "gentolm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    taht was a good race
    i soon will do another ultra ,,, soon
    did you eat on teh course ?? if so what?? i go on a 3 hour trainer
    next
    friday i am bringwater / clip / gator ade / succed pills / and a lot
    of
    walking up the hills / any food to bring tips???

    See what the race is serving and try it. The classic food is PB&J and
    boiled potatoes.

    -DF

  6. In article <[email hidden]>, gentolm <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    did you eat on teh course ?? if so what?? i go on a 3 hour trainer next
    friday i am bringwater / clip / gator ade / succed pills / and a lot of
    walking up the hills / any food to bring tips???

    Whenever I do a run of 2 hours or more, I do a Clif Shot gel every half
    hour in addition to my usual gatorade. I keep a few extra bottles of
    gatorade in the car in a cooler and circle back regularly to get more,
    or I take extra powder with me and mix on the run when I can get water.

    I did a 4 hour run last weekend and--though I was a little sore in the
    feet and I was certainly tired--I felt like I had enough in the tank to
    go for another hour if I needed to, which I will soon enough (Marathon
    10/2, 50k on 10/24).

    --Harold Buck

    "I used to rock and roll all night,
    and party every day.
    Then it was every other day. . . ."
    -Homer J. Simpson

  7. gentolm wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    taht was a good race
    i soon will do another ultra ,,, soon
    did you eat on teh course ?? if so what?? i go on a 3 hour trainer next
    friday i am bringwater / clip / gator ade / succed pills / and a lot of
    walking up the hills / any food to bring tips???
    plodzilla
    thaks in advance

    I had 4 bottles of Clip 2, 3 gels, a few bites of a protien bar, and several
    bottles of conquest - some sports drink they were serving at the aid
    stations. I took 4 succeed caps also. Walking on hills also....

    - Tony

  8. "Tony" <qtrader2@(remove)hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5%q3d.4359$4j1.3370@trndny06...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I had 4 bottles of Clip 2, 3 gels, a few bites of a protien bar, and
    several


    bottles of conquest - some sports drink they were serving at the aid
    stations. I took 4 succeed caps also. Walking on hills also....

    Some history of Conquest. Gary Buffington was original RD for GH when it
    was 50 miles and the creator of Conquest. As you might expect Conquest
    was the primary sport drink. After the first two years I Ode's on that
    stiff big time. Since it colorless and can be confused with water, you
    had to ask or smell. If I remember correctly they also had Mountain Dew
    and/or coke and water.

    The reason it is sill served is the Buffington family likely still mans
    some of the aid stations and Gary probably gives the stuff out for free.
    For me, the taste of Conquest makes Gatorade taste like Heineken. 😉

    -Doug

  9. Doug Freese wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:


    "Tony" <qtrader2@(remove)hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5%q3d.4359$4j1.3370@trndny06...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I had 4 bottles of Clip 2, 3 gels, a few bites of a protien bar, and
    several


    bottles of conquest - some sports drink they were serving at the aid
    stations. I took 4 succeed caps also. Walking on hills also....

    Some history of Conquest. Gary Buffington was original RD for GH when it
    was 50 miles and the creator of Conquest. As you might expect Conquest
    was the primary sport drink. After the first two years I Ode's on that
    stiff big time. Since it colorless and can be confused with water, you
    had to ask or smell. If I remember correctly they also had Mountain Dew
    and/or coke and water.

    The reason it is sill served is the Buffington family likely still mans
    some of the aid stations and Gary probably gives the stuff out for free.
    For me, the taste of Conquest makes Gatorade taste like Heineken. 😉

    You mean like skunkwater? Heinies are nasty IMO. Actually the conquest
    wasn't bad, and yea they had some Mt Dew and I had a cup of that also. I
    actually still had one clip 2 left, and several gels, but it was easier just
    to ask the eager aid volunteer to fill up my bottle with conquest the last
    few times. That race has roots - people kept talking about when it had been
    a 50 miler instead of 50k. BTW g/l at vermont.

    - Tony

  10. Quoted message said:

    Heinies are nasty IMO.

    Doug eats heinies, consult him.

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