Race puking

Eric said:

My season is over, time to work on improvements for next year.
This summer I've encountered terrible stomach aches in longer races.
I've chased the problem with no good answers: I know it's a tough area
for anyone to give advise without a ton of information, but...
I don't do anything on race day that I don't do in training: same food
and liquid intake. The only difference I can ascertain is I push a bit
harder, and often wind up drinking less water. Can it be dehydration? I
don't think I'm that low on fluids, but after I get pedaling hard I
forget to drink, and later if my stomach is upset I don't WANT to drink.
I use a light mixture of Hammer Heed that doesn't bother me in training.
Does dehydration make the stomach upset? Cuz damn I'm getting tired of
chasing this problem. Or could it be something simple like swallowing
some lake water? Once the stomach knots up, if I drink on the run it
comes right back up in a few miles.
Eric

I've never puked but have had problems with stomach cramps/upsets
really hampering my run on hot days. Cause seemed to be:

Your body finds it harder to absorb liquid and nutrients when you're
pushing hard anyway. If you do then get dehydrated, it makes
absorption even harder, plus your body now needs to absorb at a greater
rate than you are losing liquid in order to regain the balance. End
result is that if you forget to drink for a while, and then try to
force a lot of drink down while continuing to go at full pace then it
can cause problems.

Preventative solutions for me were to do race-pace training in the heat
of the day if that is what race-day conditions were likely to be, and
then to find a hydration/nutrition strategy that worked in the heat.
Got myself an aero bottle to make sure I drank enough during the bike
leg, small amounts frequently. Mixed weaker solution on hot days.
Took the first few miles of the bike slightly easier to make sure I had
rehydrated after the swim. Seemed to work.

thanks, makes sense to me, I've pretty much done the opposite of what
you recommended: trained in the evening when it was cool [and damnation
I THOUGHT/KNEW that would cause trouble]. I always run with two or three
of my Huskies, a bit of tangling with the leashes but great running
mates, always ready to go, but they're the reason I go when the temps
are cooler.
Guess I gotta start doing a run WITH the girls, and a run withOUT them

Rookie said:

Eric said:

My season is over, time to work on improvements for next year.
This summer I've encountered terrible stomach aches in longer races.
I've chased the problem with no good answers: I know it's a tough area
for anyone to give advise without a ton of information, but...
I don't do anything on race day that I don't do in training: same food
and liquid intake. The only difference I can ascertain is I push a bit
harder, and often wind up drinking less water. Can it be dehydration? I
don't think I'm that low on fluids, but after I get pedaling hard I
forget to drink, and later if my stomach is upset I don't WANT to drink.
I use a light mixture of Hammer Heed that doesn't bother me in training.
Does dehydration make the stomach upset? Cuz damn I'm getting tired of
chasing this problem. Or could it be something simple like swallowing
some lake water? Once the stomach knots up, if I drink on the run it
comes right back up in a few miles.
Eric

I've never puked but have had problems with stomach cramps/upsets
really hampering my run on hot days. Cause seemed to be:

Your body finds it harder to absorb liquid and nutrients when you're
pushing hard anyway. If you do then get dehydrated, it makes
absorption even harder, plus your body now needs to absorb at a greater
rate than you are losing liquid in order to regain the balance. End
result is that if you forget to drink for a while, and then try to
force a lot of drink down while continuing to go at full pace then it
can cause problems.

Preventative solutions for me were to do race-pace training in the heat
of the day if that is what race-day conditions were likely to be, and
then to find a hydration/nutrition strategy that worked in the heat.
Got myself an aero bottle to make sure I drank enough during the bike
leg, small amounts frequently. Mixed weaker solution on hot days.
Took the first few miles of the bike slightly easier to make sure I had
rehydrated after the swim. Seemed to work.

thanks, makes sense to me, I've pretty much done the opposite of what
you recommended: trained in the evening when it was cool [and damnation
I THOUGHT/KNEW that would cause trouble]. I always run with two or three
of my Huskies, a bit of tangling with the leashes but great running
mates, always ready to go, but they're the reason I go when the temps
are cooler.
Guess I gotta start doing a run WITH the girls, and a run withOUT them

Rookie said:

Eric said:

My season is over, time to work on improvements for next year.
This summer I've encountered terrible stomach aches in longer races.
I've chased the problem with no good answers: I know it's a tough area
for anyone to give advise without a ton of information, but...
I don't do anything on race day that I don't do in training: same food
and liquid intake. The only difference I can ascertain is I push a bit
harder, and often wind up drinking less water. Can it be dehydration? I
don't think I'm that low on fluids, but after I get pedaling hard I
forget to drink, and later if my stomach is upset I don't WANT to drink.
I use a light mixture of Hammer Heed that doesn't bother me in training.
Does dehydration make the stomach upset? Cuz damn I'm getting tired of
chasing this problem. Or could it be something simple like swallowing
some lake water? Once the stomach knots up, if I drink on the run it
comes right back up in a few miles.
Eric

I've never puked but have had problems with stomach cramps/upsets
really hampering my run on hot days. Cause seemed to be:

Your body finds it harder to absorb liquid and nutrients when you're
pushing hard anyway. If you do then get dehydrated, it makes
absorption even harder, plus your body now needs to absorb at a greater
rate than you are losing liquid in order to regain the balance. End
result is that if you forget to drink for a while, and then try to
force a lot of drink down while continuing to go at full pace then it
can cause problems.

Preventative solutions for me were to do race-pace training in the heat
of the day if that is what race-day conditions were likely to be, and
then to find a hydration/nutrition strategy that worked in the heat.
Got myself an aero bottle to make sure I drank enough during the bike
leg, small amounts frequently. Mixed weaker solution on hot days.
Took the first few miles of the bike slightly easier to make sure I had
rehydrated after the swim. Seemed to work.

thanks, makes sense to me, I've pretty much done the opposite of what
you recommended: trained in the evening when it was cool [and damnation
I THOUGHT/KNEW that would cause trouble]. I always run with two or three
of my Huskies, a bit of tangling with the leashes but great running
mates, always ready to go, but they're the reason I go when the temps
are cooler.
Guess I gotta start doing a run WITH the girls, and a run withOUT them

Rookie said:

Eric said:

My season is over, time to work on improvements for next year.
This summer I've encountered terrible stomach aches in longer races.
I've chased the problem with no good answers: I know it's a tough area
for anyone to give advise without a ton of information, but...
I don't do anything on race day that I don't do in training: same food
and liquid intake. The only difference I can ascertain is I push a bit
harder, and often wind up drinking less water. Can it be dehydration? I
don't think I'm that low on fluids, but after I get pedaling hard I
forget to drink, and later if my stomach is upset I don't WANT to drink.
I use a light mixture of Hammer Heed that doesn't bother me in training.
Does dehydration make the stomach upset? Cuz damn I'm getting tired of
chasing this problem. Or could it be something simple like swallowing
some lake water? Once the stomach knots up, if I drink on the run it
comes right back up in a few miles.
Eric

I've never puked but have had problems with stomach cramps/upsets
really hampering my run on hot days. Cause seemed to be:

Your body finds it harder to absorb liquid and nutrients when you're
pushing hard anyway. If you do then get dehydrated, it makes
absorption even harder, plus your body now needs to absorb at a greater
rate than you are losing liquid in order to regain the balance. End
result is that if you forget to drink for a while, and then try to
force a lot of drink down while continuing to go at full pace then it
can cause problems.

Preventative solutions for me were to do race-pace training in the heat
of the day if that is what race-day conditions were likely to be, and
then to find a hydration/nutrition strategy that worked in the heat.
Got myself an aero bottle to make sure I drank enough during the bike
leg, small amounts frequently. Mixed weaker solution on hot days.
Took the first few miles of the bike slightly easier to make sure I had
rehydrated after the swim. Seemed to work.

Doesn't need to be all the time - just an occasional fast brick in the
heat to make sure you're ready for it. Never trained with a husky but
used to go skiing with one - great on cross country and he could even
keep up with a drag lift uphill!

Eric said:

thanks, makes sense to me, I've pretty much done the opposite of what
you recommended: trained in the evening when it was cool [and damnation
I THOUGHT/KNEW that would cause trouble]. I always run with two or three
of my Huskies, a bit of tangling with the leashes but great running
mates, always ready to go, but they're the reason I go when the temps
are cooler.
Guess I gotta start doing a run WITH the girls, and a run withOUT them

Rookie said:

Eric said:

My season is over, time to work on improvements for next year.
This summer I've encountered terrible stomach aches in longer races.
I've chased the problem with no good answers: I know it's a tough area
for anyone to give advise without a ton of information, but...
I don't do anything on race day that I don't do in training: same food
and liquid intake. The only difference I can ascertain is I push a bit
harder, and often wind up drinking less water. Can it be dehydration? I
don't think I'm that low on fluids, but after I get pedaling hard I
forget to drink, and later if my stomach is upset I don't WANT to drink.
I use a light mixture of Hammer Heed that doesn't bother me in training.
Does dehydration make the stomach upset? Cuz damn I'm getting tired of
chasing this problem. Or could it be something simple like swallowing
some lake water? Once the stomach knots up, if I drink on the run it
comes right back up in a few miles.
Eric

I've never puked but have had problems with stomach cramps/upsets
really hampering my run on hot days. Cause seemed to be:

Your body finds it harder to absorb liquid and nutrients when you're
pushing hard anyway. If you do then get dehydrated, it makes
absorption even harder, plus your body now needs to absorb at a greater
rate than you are losing liquid in order to regain the balance. End
result is that if you forget to drink for a while, and then try to
force a lot of drink down while continuing to go at full pace then it
can cause problems.

Preventative solutions for me were to do race-pace training in the heat
of the day if that is what race-day conditions were likely to be, and
then to find a hydration/nutrition strategy that worked in the heat.
Got myself an aero bottle to make sure I drank enough during the bike
leg, small amounts frequently. Mixed weaker solution on hot days.
Took the first few miles of the bike slightly easier to make sure I had
rehydrated after the swim. Seemed to work.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Rookie said:

Doesn't need to be all the time - just an occasional fast brick in the
heat to make sure you're ready for it. Never trained with a husky but
used to go skiing with one - great on cross country and he could even
keep up with a drag lift uphill!

I think I read somewhere that if you do five 2-hour workouts in the heat
over a period of a couple of weeks, you'll be pretty well acclimated to
the heat. If it's not hot where you are, dress in layers to make it seem
hot.

--Harold Buck

"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson

Harold Buck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Rookie said:

Doesn't need to be all the time - just an occasional fast brick in the
heat to make sure you're ready for it. Never trained with a husky but
used to go skiing with one - great on cross country and he could even
keep up with a drag lift uphill!

I think I read somewhere that if you do five 2-hour workouts in the heat
over a period of a couple of weeks, you'll be pretty well acclimated to
the heat. If it's not hot where you are, dress in layers to make it seem
hot.

--Harold Buck

"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson

Ruth seems to have some good academic background in this area. Google
group search "heat rtk".

Unless she has a secret career none of us knows about, that search
should get you closer to some pointers on adapting to heat.

rsquared