Race deaths

you know? said:

As a result of a question on an e-group, I have the total; fatalities
of cyclists in races for each decade since the 1930s:

Intriguing. I'm assuming this is all causes, rather than just crashes?

Regards,

-david

Are there more races these days?

Simonb said:

Are there more races these days?

I doubt it - racing was hugely popular in France pre-war and in the
50s, IIRC.

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David Nutter said:

I'm assuming this is all causes, rather than just crashes?

Must be, since Tom Simpson is listed.

I'd quite like to know a lot more, like the number of
participant-miles raced, injury rates and so on. At the moment it's a
hint of a potentially interesting story and not much more - I wonder
if anyone can flesh it out a bit?

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Just zis Guy said:

As a result of a question on an e-group, I have the total; fatalities
of cyclists in races for each decade since the 1930s:

dec fatals
1930s 2
1940s 0
1950s 4
1960s 2
1970s 3
1980s 5
1990s 3
2000s 6

Interesting. Of course, we might simply not know about many earlier
ones

Is this just UCI International races? Or professionals?
I don't think these figures include domestic races or those lethal time trials.

John B

you know? said:

Simonb said:

Are there more races these days?

I doubt it - racing was hugely popular in France pre-war and in the
50s, IIRC.

I'd be surprised if much racing went on during the Occupation.

So if we exclude the figure for the 40s we get

2,4,2,3,5,3,6

I don't think that there is sufficient information to indicate a
trend.

David Nutter said:

Intriguing. I'm assuming this is all causes, rather than just crashes?

All causes by the look of it. For example Tom Simpson
died of exhaustion[*] and it is believed Alessio Galletti died
of a heart attack
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/cycling/4097342.stm)

Pete.
[*] there were other factors too.....

you know? said:

Simonb said:

Are there more races these days?

I doubt it - racing was hugely popular in France pre-war and in the
50s, IIRC.

How did you gather the data? You'd need to factor it out somehow to draw
any conclusions, methinks.

I am not a statistician, so assume I don't know what I'm talking about
here. Don't you also need to discount: faster average racing speeds,
total exposure time per racer for the decade (might be the same thing),
and even the introduction of stronger and more dangerous performance
enhancing drugs (not exactly measurable, I admit)?

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Andrew Chadwick

Just zis Guy said:

As a result of a question on an e-group, I have the total; fatalities
of cyclists in races for each decade since the 1930s:

dec fatals
1930s 2
1940s 0
1950s 4
1960s 2
1970s 3
1980s 5
1990s 3
2000s 6

Interesting. Of course, we might simply not know about many earlier
ones (this is the age of Google; all information is searchable these
days).

Francisco Cepeda, Spain, Tour de France, 1935
André Raynaud, France, 1937
Camille Danguillaume, France, French National Cycling Championship,
1950
Serse Coppi, Italy, Tour of Piedmont, 1951
Stan Ockers, Belgium, a track race in Antwerp, 1956
Russell Mockridge, Australia, Tour of Gippsland, 1958
Tom Simpson, United Kingdom, Tour de France, 1967
José Samyn, France, a small race in Belgium, 1969
Jean-Pierre Monséré, Belgium, GP Retie, 1970
Manuel Galera, Spain, Tour of Andalisia, 1972
Juan Manuel Santisteban, Spain, Giro d'Italia, 1976
Joaquim Agostinho, Portugal, during the Tour of Algarve in 1984
Emilio Ravasio, Italy, Giro d'Italia, 1986
Michelle Goffin, Belgium, Tour du Haut-Var, 1987
Vicente Mata, Belgium, Trofeo Luis Puig, 1987
Connie Meijer, Netherlands, criterium in the Netherlands, 1988
Fabio Casartelli, Italy, Tour de France, 1995
José Antonio Espinosa, Spain, a race in Fuenlabrada, 1996
Manuel Sanromà, Spain, Tour of Catalonia, 1999
Saúl Morales, Spain, Tour of Argentina, 2000
Nicole Reinhart, United States, Arlington Circuit Race, 2000
Andrei Kivilev, Kazakhstan, Paris-Nice, 2003
Juan Barrero, Colombia, Tour of Colombia, 2004
Tim Pauwels, Belgium, a cyclo-cross race in Belgium, 2004
Alessio Galletti, Italy, Subida al Naranco, 2005

We should all go mountain biking as nobody seems to be dying of it...

This thread has prompted me to make a little tweak to the Fabio
Casartelli wikipedia entry. It always struck me as somewhat immoral
to claim a helmet would have helped him.

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Just zis Guy said:

Interesting. Of course, we might simply not know about many earlier
ones (this is the age of Google; all information is searchable these
days).

I was just reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fausto_Coppi (not
entirely coincidence, I was checking what they said about Tom Simpson
and ended up following links, as you do) and found this:-

"In addition, Coppi's career was shaped by strokes of fate: in 1951
his teammate and younger brother, Serse Coppi, fell in a sprint in
the Giro del Piemonte. After returning to his hotel, Serse suffered
a cerebral hemorrhage and died (a curious parallel with Bartali,
who also lost a brother, Guilio, in a 1936 racing accident)"

So that's another one to chalk up to the 30s.

There are a couple of Google hits for Giulio Bartali (the correct
spelling 😉 but all in Italian which I can't make much sense of.

Pete.

Brendan Halpin said:

This thread has prompted me to make a little tweak to the Fabio
Casartelli wikipedia entry. It always struck me as somewhat immoral
to claim a helmet would have helped him.

Somebody should tell that to these guys: http://www.bhsi.org/timesart.htm

Pete.

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Quoted message said:

(this is the age of Google; all information is searchable these
days).

Given the above comment, this is an interesting video to watch

http://oak.psych.gatech.edu/~epic/

Just zis Guy said:

As a result of a question on an e-group, I have the total; fatalities
of cyclists in races for each decade since the 1930s:

dec fatals
1930s 2
1940s 0
1950s 4
1960s 2
1970s 3
1980s 5
1990s 3
2000s 6

Interesting. Of course, we might simply not know about many earlier
ones (this is the age of Google; all information is searchable these
days).

Francisco Cepeda, Spain, Tour de France, 1935
André Raynaud, France, 1937
Camille Danguillaume, France, French National Cycling Championship,
1950
Serse Coppi, Italy, Tour of Piedmont, 1951
Stan Ockers, Belgium, a track race in Antwerp, 1956
Russell Mockridge, Australia, Tour of Gippsland, 1958
Tom Simpson, United Kingdom, Tour de France, 1967
José Samyn, France, a small race in Belgium, 1969
Jean-Pierre Monséré, Belgium, GP Retie, 1970
Manuel Galera, Spain, Tour of Andalisia, 1972
Juan Manuel Santisteban, Spain, Giro d'Italia, 1976
Joaquim Agostinho, Portugal, during the Tour of Algarve in 1984
Emilio Ravasio, Italy, Giro d'Italia, 1986
Michelle Goffin, Belgium, Tour du Haut-Var, 1987
Vicente Mata, Belgium, Trofeo Luis Puig, 1987
Connie Meijer, Netherlands, criterium in the Netherlands, 1988
Fabio Casartelli, Italy, Tour de France, 1995
José Antonio Espinosa, Spain, a race in Fuenlabrada, 1996
Manuel Sanromà, Spain, Tour of Catalonia, 1999
Saúl Morales, Spain, Tour of Argentina, 2000
Nicole Reinhart, United States, Arlington Circuit Race, 2000
Andrei Kivilev, Kazakhstan, Paris-Nice, 2003
Juan Barrero, Colombia, Tour of Colombia, 2004
Tim Pauwels, Belgium, a cyclo-cross race in Belgium, 2004
Alessio Galletti, Italy, Subida al Naranco, 2005

I remember a Spanish rider was killed in the Tour of Britain late 50's
early 60's - he dosen't appear to be on the list...
All the best
Dan Gregory

Some more info:

http://arniebakercycling.com/pubs/Free/200D%20Pro%20Rider%20Deaths%20ABC.pdf

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